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My first shoot, a no show
Well I know that no shows are normal, but I didnt expect it to be my first shoot. This particular model contacted me to be a friend...we traded many emails and decided to do a shoot. We discussed location, what to wear, how long, etc. It all seemed to be going just perfect. The day before the shoot, I called her...got voice mail.. I called to just give directions and find out which backdrop she wanted to use first so I could get it all set. No response. So I sent a message here... no response (she did read it). I called again later that night..I left a similar message (want to touch base, are we still on, etc). no response. So the night before I sent one more message here with directions and indicated I had left 2 voicemails... no response. She never read the address message. Well last night, I thought hmmm maybe she got in an accident, or some emergency happened, so I sent this message here: (name removed of the flake in question), hope all is well. I was disappointed that our shoot for today didnt happen. I tried to contact you Friday to confirm via phone and messages here. Did you get any of them? I would like to have heard from you if you were going to cancel. I hope you are ok and not hurt or something horrible like that. Please let me know what happened for my own piece of mind. Maybe we can reschedule? Chuck. NO RESPONSE! and she did read this one. What did I do wrong? Is she the ultimate flake? Is the flake's silence part of the flakeness? Have I been too nice? Is it normal to be upset, as I am, I just feel like I have bent over backwards and its a slap in the face to be ignored. I would be a lot less upset if she just canceled, or as one photographer friend here said, used an excuse like "her dog died" hehehe I would be interested in your take on my first shoot, or should I say non-shoot. Aug 26 07 08:47 pm Link Aw I am sorry Chuck  It sounds like mabye she is just a flake? I don't know her so I can't judge her, is she a working model?Aug 26 07 08:49 pm Link dont give up man. Aug 26 07 08:50 pm Link Aug 26 07 08:51 pm Link Koray wrote: I agree . Aug 26 07 08:51 pm Link Never had a flake here.  Aug 26 07 08:52 pm Link How old was she/he, How experienced? We all know so many folks say yes, but mean no. And many folks haven't got the guts to just say NO! Let it go and I cannot see anything at all wrong with being nice... I had two recently do the same, but...just chalked it up....as time flows you'll be able to pick out the no-shows from afar~~tom Aug 26 07 08:53 pm Link wow - that is incredibly rude. i think you are totally justified in feeling the way you do. it's a shame you had to experience this so early on - but there will be others. hang in there. Aug 26 07 08:56 pm Link Chuck Condron Photograp wrote: This is all too typical. Aug 26 07 08:56 pm Link My rule of thumb is to only leave 1 message. If they are interested they will respond, otherwise I blacklist them and move on. Don't waste your time leaving multiple messages, that time can be spent trying to find a last minute replacement. Aug 26 07 08:57 pm Link Sounds like a flake. Most models won't call or email, contact due to the fear of someone being mad at them. Some just forget, don't feel like getting up, getting ready, driving ect. to the shoot. Flakes suck and most of the time it's best to put them on the no-shoot list. Once a flake always a flake. Aug 26 07 08:57 pm Link It happens. Some models don't respond back because they are thinking about the answer and reply back a day or two afterward and some don't respond back because they are just not interested in working with you. Don't take it personally. That's how the internet modelling goes. It's sucks, but it happens. Not every model here is a full time model, some are doing this just for fun and some just whatever. So, probably they are busy? Well, it's not fun for the first shoot, but what else can you do. Move on and learn the lesson: no reply, no shoot. Aug 26 07 08:57 pm Link no she is just starting out and only 18. The same age as my daughter. I hope my daughter doesnt flake like that to someone hehehe. Oh im not giving up, im determined to get my damn portfolio off the ground so my poor children can stop being my models heheh. Thank you all for listening. From what I hear, it can happen to the best of you. Aug 26 07 08:57 pm Link just a flake, blacklist her! Aug 26 07 08:58 pm Link Consider yourself ahead of the game. Models donât even bother responding to me. Aug 26 07 08:59 pm Link Also when possible, book multiple models when it's your first time working with them, especially when going out of town. That will keep you from wasting your day hopefully. Aug 26 07 09:00 pm Link I think it is happening more now then ever. I never had a model flake on me. But the last two new models that contacted me to shoot them both flaked. This website is loaded with flakes. For now on just work with models with good reps.. Mike Aug 26 07 09:00 pm Link Chuck Condron Photograp wrote: O ok, sounds typical to me. I personaly would NEVER do that. If you commit to do something do it, if you do flake at least tell the person why and express your self. No harm, no foul. Aug 26 07 09:02 pm Link I've had a few no-shows. Now I wait until a few days before the shoot before giving them directions. That way if they stop communicating, I know they don't know where to go, and I know they won't show up, so at least I'm not waisting as much time and effort setting up for a no-show. Stick with it. - There are many responsible models on this site. Aug 26 07 09:03 pm Link Donât expect too much for this kind shooting. If she didnât respond first time, probably she already refused you. âA friend requestâ didnât mean a model wants to work with you. It is just a networking thing. Probably you should try âcastingâ call, which probably is a better way. Good Luck! Aug 26 07 09:04 pm Link Model With Camera wrote: She is a flake, Chuck. Whitelist her....meaning just let her disappear from your "To Shoot" list. Aug 26 07 09:04 pm Link Chuck Condron Photograp wrote: YOU called the MODEL to see what background SHE wanted to use??? Aug 26 07 09:05 pm Link Get used to it...it won't be your last. Just for the record it sucks every time. Aug 26 07 09:06 pm Link Wow I am sorry to hear that. : ( Aug 26 07 09:07 pm Link In response to Alexander, no it was more than just a friend request, we talked for a good week about the shoot, set the time, etc. I was just saying she was the first to contact me, showing me she had some interest in me as opposed to me contacting her and persueing it from the start. I thank all of you for the overall support and understanding. Nice to know I have a few friends on my side, and a host of professionals that have seen it all. You folks are awesome. Aug 26 07 09:08 pm Link The fashion world is a small one. This kid you dealt with hasn't figured that out yet. I think everyone is right. Blacklist her. Models are to easy to replace for that kind of trouble. Denee Aug 26 07 09:09 pm Link May I suggest removing the model's first name.... I had no difficulty finding her in browse which may qualify this thread as an outing. Aug 26 07 09:09 pm Link Hey Chuck--- Flakes definitely suck, and especially for the first shoot! The same thing happened to me, but you have to remember the flaking is not a statement about you. She got cold feet or was out too late the night before or something...you never will know why. But just keep booking (after my first flake, I booked 2 or 3 a day until they all started showing up and I could barely hold that damn 1D up any longer...lol) and chalk it up to the vagaries of dealing with people. Steve Aug 26 07 09:09 pm Link Well man, all I have to say is "welcome to the internet", even though it does happen in the real world too. No shows happen, just keep the faith. Move on, things will get better. Aug 26 07 09:09 pm Link POST HER NAME!!!!!!!@$)*!@_$)!@!!!!!!! BLACKBALLING BEGINS! =P Aug 26 07 09:11 pm Link Koray wrote: Give it time... the good ones will come. Aug 26 07 09:15 pm Link I am attempting to edit my post to remove the name, but it seems to be taking its time in saving...maybe it has to edit everyone's quotes as well. Thank you for the suggestion. I didnt mean to expose the flake...just discuss the flake heheh Aug 26 07 09:15 pm Link well I guess it doesnt remove from the quoted messages... Aug 26 07 09:16 pm Link i think, we should set up a feedback system on this site, and be able to leave feed back about models+photographers..etc.. rAvi - v2L Aug 26 07 09:34 pm Link v2lab wrote: I wasn't a fan of this kind of system but I'm begining to be now. This is really Aug 26 07 09:45 pm Link The MM version of Craigs List? The Flake List? hehhe Aug 26 07 09:50 pm Link v2lab wrote: I agree a feedback system would be a great way of cutting thru the flakes both models nad photogs alike. Aug 26 07 09:53 pm Link If they dont respond to a even one email, or any single call in a timely manner, blacklist. Dont waste your time or thoughts any further after one miss. And I mean 12 hours for a return call and 24 for an email. Anyone that doesnt return calls or email in that time is not professional and will waste your time. Aug 26 07 09:53 pm Link Chuck Condron Photograp wrote: Definitely don't give up and don't let a no-show, flake spoil your mood. In the future, you'll probably throttle back a little sooner, and do a little less of that bending over backwards stuff. Aug 26 07 09:56 pm Link Hey Chuck, I've only done a handful of actual model (vice friend) shoots, and I'm batting about 70% right now. My first several were no-shows, they dropped of the face of the earth 1-3 days before the shoot. You learn the signs, and eventually figure out where, and whom, to invest your time with. Or, you can drive yourself crazy. I'm on a "winning streak" now that the Yankees would be envious of (four or five in a row). Personally, I wouldn't try to rebook with the model you described. If the other person can't contact you to let you know they won't make it, that's simply not professional. I don't care how rediculous or far-fetched the excuse is, as long as they contact me. Cheers, Rob. Aug 26 07 09:59 pm Link |
