Chuck Condron Photograp wrote:
I would be interested in your take on my first shoot, or should I say non-shoot.

Just take note and move on! Expect that to happen once in a while for many reasons. I awalys check a model's availability just the day before the shoot and if I don't get any response I consider it cancelled and make other plans to better utilize my time.

Regards,
Abhijit

hopdevilrob wrote:
I'm on a "winning streak" now that the Yankees would be envious of (four or five in a row).

haha my first shoot is similar to the Arizona Cardinals hehehe well maybe this year they will be better!

Edge Images wrote:
you'll get used to it.  i had two of three on a three model shoot cancel today after days of planning and coordinating schedules.  It sucks, they're not professionals, but welcome to internet modeling/photography.

At least they cancelled on ya, that would be fine with me. I never got a call or a call back after I called. It is just easier for the flakes not to show up. Suck to be them.

Chuck Condron Photograp wrote:
Well I know that no shows are normal, but I didnt expect it to be my first shoot. 

I would be interested in your take on my first shoot, or should I say non-shoot.

Welcome to Internet modeling.


I had a very similar experience with a photographer during my first months here.

I was contacted and he made every effort to flatter me, he was working with a model friend who was coming into town from California, she had very good fashion model stats and he seemed sincere.  Why not, seems simple enough?

Then things got interesting, he wanted me to construct props that are far out of the range of what I do.  So far out it would be a mystery as to why I would be able to.  I pointed him in the direction of where the props could be found for a decent amount and a quality item.

I offered to finish a $300 contract free of charge, and let him use the wardrobe since it fit the description of what he wanted to do with the model.  I'd donate my time and handle the dry cleaning on the return for 2 or 3 prints.


Last minute, he flaked.  It was the first and last time.

I'm busy with bookings and I keep my Mayhem portfolio fairly bare since I'm a wardrobe stylist.  We are pretty sought after when it comes to borrowing things and I use my profile for keeping up with close friends.

So many months later a friend of a friend collaborates with the photographer, and now wants to collaborate with me, she's a makeup artist and it would be great, but I won't get involved with her because I don't want to describe the situation or take a chance, because I wouldn't lift a finger to help this person.  Once was enough.

Wardrobe people are few and far between.  Wardrobe people who will make you something to use for a shoot free of charge to be friendly are fewer and farther between.

Lesson learned  Well for me, not for him.

I won't work with him again, I don't have anything bad to say to him or describe to anyone else about him, I simply know better and should have trusted instincts.

He's attempted to befriend me since, I'm friendly but it's not happening.

Basically if someone wants to drape your model in hundreds of dollars of custom silk as a free of charge favor, don't screw them over and flake.

RSM-images wrote:
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Go to where she lives and burn all of your photography gear on her doormat.



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Or do that....and make sure the tears are flowing down your face.

TIMOTHYBECKER wrote:
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Or do that....and make sure the tears are flowing down your face.

...or use visine or menthol.  That's very Jack Black and Kyle Gas of you.

Chuck Condron Photograp wrote:
Well I know that no shows are normal, but I didnt expect it to be my first shoot.  This particular model contacted me to be a friend...we traded many emails and decided to do a shoot.  We discussed location, what to wear, how long, etc.  It all seemed to be going just perfect.  The day before the shoot, I called her...got voice mail..  I called to just give directions and find out which backdrop she wanted to use first so I could get it all set.  No response.  So I sent a message here...  no response (she did read it).

I called again later that night..I left a similar message (want to touch base, are we still on, etc).  no response.  So the night before I sent one more message here with directions and indicated I had left 2 voicemails...

no response. She never read the address message.

Well last night, I thought hmmm maybe she got in an accident, or some emergency happened, so I sent this message here:

(name removed of the flake in question), hope all is well. I was disappointed that our shoot for today didnt happen. I tried to contact you Friday to confirm via phone and messages here. Did you get any of them? I would like to have heard from you if you were going to cancel. I hope you are ok and not hurt or something horrible like that. Please let me know what happened for my own piece of mind. Maybe we can reschedule?

Chuck.

NO RESPONSE! and she did read this one.

What did I do wrong?  Is she the ultimate flake?  Is the flake's silence part of the flakeness?  Have I been too nice?  Is it normal to be upset, as I am, I just feel like I have bent over backwards and its a slap in the face to be ignored.  I would be a lot less upset if she just canceled, or as one photographer friend here said, used an excuse like "her dog died" hehehe

I would be interested in your take on my first shoot, or should I say non-shoot.

These type of things happen all the time. I was talking with a model who I did a photo shoot with several weeks ago and she suggested that this site should have a feedback forum like ebay. Like ebay, if a model, photographer, MUA, waredrobe stylist, etc backs out at the last minute, you can post negative feedback. If  they were cool to work with, positive. If they showed up for the shoot, but acted, well, like a total you-know-what, well you get the picture. That way if someone else wants to work with that individual, they know what type a person they are.

Also, it will promote restraint against flakes.

Terrence Blount wrote:
These type of things happen all the time. I was talking with a model who I did a photo shoot with several weeks ago and she suggested that this site should have a feedback forum like ebay. Like ebay, if a model, photographer, MUA, waredrobe stylist, etc backs out at the last minute, you can post negative feedback. If  they were cool to work with, positive. If they showed up for the shoot, but acted, well, like a total you-know-what, well you get the picture. That way if someone else wants to work with that individual, they know what type a person they are.

Also, it will promote restraint against flakes.

That's an interesting idea, maybe something for the technical forum too?

I see it this way, if you are very involved in collaborating with people around town you'll probably get to know about everyone in a period of 2 years and have a basic opinion of them, especially with hair, mua and wardrobe.

Photography and models are a bit bigger group, but I could count all of the models I'd love to play with the most on fingers and toes, same with photographers.

Chuck Condron Photograp wrote:
I would be interested in your take on my first shoot, or should I say non-shoot.

Check her references next time.  I get emails from photographers who have been contacted by the models I have worked with, and they ask, "Is she dependable?  Has she ever cancelled on you?" etc., etc. 

That's really the only way to reduce your risk of a no-show. 

Of course, I can also tell you about the emails I've gotten from models telling me about photographers and what they try to do during photoshoots, and asking why the photographers haven't been arrested yet, but that's another story.

Ruben Sanchez wrote:

Check her references next time.  I get emails from photographers who have been contacted by the models I have worked with, and they ask, "Is she dependable?  Has she ever cancelled on you?" etc., etc. 

That's really the only way to reduce your risk of a no-show. 

Of course, I can also tell you about the emails I've gotten from models telling me about photographers and what they try to do during photoshoots, and asking why the photographers haven't been arrested yet, but that's another story.

Check the last 2 post on here, I think we can rectify this whole situation :-)

TIMOTHYBECKER wrote:

Or do that....and make sure the tears are flowing down your face.

Crackin me up hahahah well she is not worth the lens cleaning fluid..  im over it, and as someone suggested '**ck her'.  You all have been so cool and wonderful to me, thank you.  I have received wonderful advise and stories!

Gary James wrote:
your first real model will be hard to come by but she will be worth it

HELLO!  Yeah what he said.

Chuck Condron Photograp wrote:

Crackin me up hahahah well she is not worth the lens cleaning fluid..  im over it, and as someone suggested '**ck her'.  You all have been so cool and wonderful to me, thank you.  I have received wonderful advise and stories!

Never mind I figured out who it was

Chuck Condron Photograp wrote:
Well I know that no shows are normal, but I didnt expect it to be my first shoot.  This particular model contacted me to be a friend...we traded many emails and decided to do a shoot.  We discussed location, what to wear, how long, etc.  It all seemed to be going just perfect.  The day before the shoot, I called her...got voice mail..  I called to just give directions and find out which backdrop she wanted to use first so I could get it all set.  No response.  So I sent a message here...  no response (she did read it).

I called again later that night..I left a similar message (want to touch base, are we still on, etc).  no response.  So the night before I sent one more message here with directions and indicated I had left 2 voicemails...

no response. She never read the address message.

Well last night, I thought hmmm maybe she got in an accident, or some emergency happened, so I sent this message here:

(name removed of the flake in question), hope all is well. I was disappointed that our shoot for today didnt happen. I tried to contact you Friday to confirm via phone and messages here. Did you get any of them? I would like to have heard from you if you were going to cancel. I hope you are ok and not hurt or something horrible like that. Please let me know what happened for my own piece of mind. Maybe we can reschedule?

Chuck.

NO RESPONSE! and she did read this one.

What did I do wrong?  Is she the ultimate flake?  Is the flake's silence part of the flakeness?  Have I been too nice?  Is it normal to be upset, as I am, I just feel like I have bent over backwards and its a slap in the face to be ignored.  I would be a lot less upset if she just canceled, or as one photographer friend here said, used an excuse like "her dog died" hehehe

I would be interested in your take on my first shoot, or should I say non-shoot.

welcome to the party!!!!