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RFAphoto
Posts: 223
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Posted by Chris Ambler:
Posted by RFAphoto: Ask them what is the Proper Aperature to use for a "Normal" Scene in direct bright sunlight when shooting 100 ISO film at 1/125 sec shutter speed. If they can't answer that in less than 2 seconds... They're probably wasting your time. If you are a "Photographer" and Don't know that answer yourself, you may want to reconsider calling yourself a photographer... f/1.4 - for my new book called Snowstorm! :-) LOL! (of course you do realize if you posted that picture here SOMEONE would compliment you on it...) One of my favorite photographs from my collection I have titled "Working end of a lenscap". It's a rather existential piece of work that shakes loose from the boundaries of typical photography and explores the inside view of optical protection. It's actually a very "Dark" piece.
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edrickguerrero photography
Posts: 187
Pasadena, California, US
oh wait...you guys already answered before me...shit. hey, what happened to the uzi calendar girl who originally posted this thread?!?!? ...gone, like most of the other models who initiate a question just to let the argumentative photogs go at it with our pissing contest...sunny 16! see? i paid attention in photo 101...
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- null -
Posts: 4576
Posted by theda:
Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: The REAL question to ask a potential photographer is ... what ... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
African or European? You're kinda geek for a cute.
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LongWindFPV Visuals
Posts: 7052
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Posted by Udo R Photography: BTW, I don't shoot nudes, I leave that to GWC's and horny artists. ;-) Who are you trying to kid? You're not generous at all.
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LongWindFPV Visuals
Posts: 7052
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Posted by Marguerite: I need legit work. And most of the replies are for porn/adult work. ...... I would love to hear from photographers on what questions I should ask photographers when they contact me for work? You could start by asking if they rode the little yellow bus, or the regular one.
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udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Posted by RFAphoto: Questions to weed out GWC's from actual photographers, well you can ask how long they've been shooting, Ask to see examples, Ask for references... Ask them what is the Proper Aperature to use for a "Normal" Scene in direct bright sunlight when shooting 100 ISO film at 1/125 sec shutter speed. If they can't answer that in less than 2 seconds... They're probably wasting your time. If you are a "Photographer" and Don't know that answer yourself, you may want to reconsider calling yourself a photographer... Okay... that is a VERY practical suggestion! I am sure that every model will be able to judge the answer from any photographer he/she is meeting simply because she has to have the full technical knowledge of photography. Now... let me recap... I am herewith reconsidering my titel as a professional photographer! I will go to school and become a photographic technician... because I just didn't know the answer immediately. Guess what..., I am shooting since I am a 11 or 12 years old... I am self taught, I am nationally published, and I am being hired because I "SEE" the image when it's right... I can't even explain how I KNOW that the moment is right. I just feel it... I was first told at age 15 by photo journalists that I am gifted with an eye for photography. How do you explain in technical terms my subjective feeling of composition? I have received a comment from a 2 times Academy Award winner just two weeks ago, who said: "I looked at your work and I think that you are highly talented for what you are doing! I commend you!" She is considering doing a portrait session with me. Now I have to tell her that I can't do it, because I am merely a guy with camera who didn't know (and doesn't care) the answer to your question ad hoc. How many photography professors out there can answer you the question immdediately but their pictures are bland...? So, I may have to change my business card and let my media clients know that they can't any longer refer to me as their "house photographer", "press photographer", "in house photographer" or whatever other title they give me when giving me photocredits etc. I wasted over 25 years by not getting a formal photographic education. Damn!
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udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Posted by Joe K. Perez:
Posted by Udo R Photography: BTW, I don't shoot nudes, I leave that to GWC's and horny artists. ;-) Who are you trying to kid? You're not generous at all. Huh? I am very generous... I leave ALL THE NEKKID bods to the real photographers... :-)
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Chapa
Posts: 314
Austin, Texas, US
Posted by RFAphoto: Questions to weed out GWC's from actual photographers, well you can ask how long they've been shooting, Ask to see examples, Ask for references... Ask them what is the Proper Aperature to use for a "Normal" Scene in direct bright sunlight when shooting 100 ISO film at 1/125 sec shutter speed. If they can't answer that in less than 2 seconds... They're probably wasting your time. If you are a "Photographer" and Don't know that answer yourself, you may want to reconsider calling yourself a photographer... you're kidding right? 'cuz if not, i guess i'm the king of GWC'S...damn... i've got a question for you, mr. rfaphoto man-in less than 2 seconds, what technical strategy/settings did you use for this photo?- https://modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic_id=42754af02e645 and never mind the fact that you were mysteriously able to capture the reflection of the model, but not the stars and moon on that checkered surface...how did you get it to look so one dimensional? how did you manage to get light to bounce off the right side of her head, when the moon is on the left side of her head(where there is no light reflection)? times up, bro...
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Chapa
Posts: 314
Austin, Texas, US
"Luck is as good as skill when you have enough." so THAT'S how you got such a kick ass photo!!!!
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Industrial Deco
Posts: 9
Toledo, Ohio, US
Posted by Aperture Photographics: Unfortunately, the net if full of GWC or even pro's who do adult work and don't really care what you state on your profile. I'm sure they don't even read it. Some GWC's think it's like being in a bar....you ask 100 women if they'll sleep with you, and if one or two agree, you're ahead of the game for asking. It's scummy and unprofessional, but I don't know how you can keep from getting those kinds of offers. Awesom way of putting it, bravo.
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S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24376
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
"Luck is as good as skill when you have enough" ..must not be sarcastic... must not be sarcastic..must not be mean..must not be mean... ok..it passed...sorry kids
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David A
Posts: 373
Pleasant Grove, Utah, US
Who shoots f/16? I must have wasted my money buying fast lenses if I let a model tell me I should be shooting f/16 outside.
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eric
Posts: 57
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US
[b] "You could start by asking if they rode the little yellow bus, or the regular one. " ROTFLMAO!
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David A
Posts: 373
Pleasant Grove, Utah, US
Posted by Marguerite: I don't understand in the past couple of months I have received so many replies (not on MM) from people who claim to be photographers. I need legit work. And most of the replies are for porn/adult work. I clearly state on all sites that I am a member of that I do not do nude/adult/porn. I would love to hear from photographers on what questions I should ask photographers when they contact me for work? Please help. I use to have an agent and have also had managers. But I really want to do with out them for now. If the photographer believed something just because you wrote it then they'd believe you were really 5'9" and 120 lbs. The problem is, your pictures don't look like your measurements. I'm not trying to be mean but you don't look like all the other 5'9" 120 lb models. Models will always get offers for work outside their comfort zone. You need to learn to ignore offers you don't want. I agree with one of the previous posters. You should hire a good photographer and get some better pics listed that fit into the type of work you want to do.
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eric
Posts: 57
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US
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DJTalStudios
Posts: 602
Seattle, Washington, US
Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: The REAL question to ask a potential photographer is ... what ... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow? Would that be a spanish swallow??? But isn't all work legit? Like someone else posted what is the definition of legit? And on the FStop question what if they don't use film??? GASP! Simply just respond thank you for the offer but it's not within my comfort zone. Because you never know WHO you're talkin to or how a moment of kindness might pay off for you in the future.
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Jeri Lynn Astra
Posts: 240
Pleasantville, New York, US
I honestly didn't look at your pictures, so this isn't coming from a place of specific recommendation but rather general... Learn about photography: lighting, composition, etc. Look at pictures in books and magazines. If you have friends in the field, talk to them and ask for opinions on the pictures you're planning on using. Become knowlegable about business and marketing. It all translates into how well you promote yourself. Also, consider working non exclusively with an agency. Managing yourself is wonderful, but there is definately paying work that you can't get on your own.
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Lapis
Posts: 8424
Chicago, Illinois, US
Too bad you don't do nude work. I have found the quickest way to get a good portfolio is to find some great photographers and e-mail them, "I would like to do x...and by the way, I do nudes."
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argophoto
Posts: 32
Portland, Oregon, US
Thank you all for a very entertaining read. I don't know an F Stop from a hole in the ground but I think I do good work anyway. That's the beauty of digital cameras and graphics programs. I have an idea of what I want and I use the tools available to me to try to create what I see in my head. I'm impatient with my creativity so I'm working backward from point and shoot to SLR. I started with P&S and now I'm using an SLR. I do want to understand the technical side but until I get it all figured out I'll continue to experiment and make images I like and I hope others enjoy too. As for the original post for this thread, I always have a meeting with a model first so we can check each other out. I don't want to shoot every model I meet and I'm totally fine with the reverse being true. Ask questions, look at the work and make a decision. I've heard from models complaining about porn requests but I don't think there's anything you can do about it besides ignore requests asking you to do what you don't want to. The bar analogy was dead on, you'll always get those requests just like you'll always get hit on in a bar. Just try to keep a sense of humor about it and give your friends a giggle by relating the latest lamest porn come-on (see the threads about worst photographer come-on lines). Cheers
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RFAphoto
Posts: 223
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Wow I really pissed off a lot of people mentioning the sunny 16 rule, Thank God I didn't mention using a light meter!!
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Chelsea Harris
Posts: 45
Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, US
Posted by Marguerite: I don't understand in the past couple of months I have received so many replies (not on MM) from people who claim to be photographers. I need legit work. And most of the replies are for porn/adult work. I clearly state on all sites that I am a member of that I do not do nude/adult/porn. I would love to hear from photographers on what questions I should ask photographers when they contact me for work? Please help. I use to have an agent and have also had managers. But I really want to do with out them for now. simple solution.... delete the bad e-mails or just simply ignore them.
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Kathleen Bimson
Posts: 22
Nashville, Tennessee, US
Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes:
Posted by RFAphoto: Ask them what is the Proper Aperature to use for a "Normal" Scene in direct bright sunlight when shooting 100 ISO film at 1/125 sec shutter speed. If they can't answer that in less than 2 seconds... They're probably wasting your time. If you are a "Photographer" and Don't know that answer yourself, you may want to reconsider calling yourself a photographer... If Marguerite does not know the answer, does that mean she is not a real model? Since the "normal" aperature will also vary depending upon focal-length and distance from your subject, does that mean it's a "trick question" since a "real photographer" can't answer it without more information? I've know fantastic musicians who can't read music. I've known awful musicians who can. I've seen terrible photographers with college educations and degrees in photography who can tell you all about f/stops and shutter speeds. I've seen brilliant photographers who are self-taught and know nothing technical. Photography is both art and science. That is the beauty of it. 100% artsy photographers tend to suck. 100% technical photographers tend to suck. Hence, judging the professionalism of a photographer based purely on merits of technical knowledge is not a very accurate way to assess their capabilities. The REAL question to ask a potential photographer is ... what ... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow? *laughs A good friend of mine thinks I should teach photography classes. A sample of the lecture would be: "If it looks good .... CLICK IT!" "Is it in focus?? You're doing better than I am!"
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RFAphoto
Posts: 223
Phoenix, Arizona, US
LOL! Been there done that before!
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!Tiger!
Posts: 4978
New York, New York, US
Posted by eric: So the bigger your cup size, the more e-mails, IMs, and phonecalls you will receive. Cool! a science experiment to try while Im sick in bed. Um any smaller girl wanna compare emails/ims/phone calls/flowers left on doorsteps etc- bet ya they got the same or more then I of insanity I used to get in the past My method of gettin rid of them: threatening bodily harm The last blotted corpse ya heard about floatin in the Hudson? MY Work;-) Seriouslly show youll take no bullshit and theyll scurry away like rats abandoning a ship (well that or perfect the insane glare in youre eyeball- works too;-)
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Marguerite
Posts: 21
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Posted by David A:
Posted by Marguerite: I don't understand in the past couple of months I have received so many replies (not on MM) from people who claim to be photographers. I need legit work. And most of the replies are for porn/adult work. I clearly state on all sites that I am a member of that I do not do nude/adult/porn. I would love to hear from photographers on what questions I should ask photographers when they contact me for work? Please help. I use to have an agent and have also had managers. But I really want to do with out them for now. If the photographer believed something just because you wrote it then they'd believe you were really 5'9" and 120 lbs. The problem is, your pictures don't look like your measurements. I'm not trying to be mean but you don't look like all the other 5'9" 120 lb models. Models will always get offers for work outside their comfort zone. You need to learn to ignore offers you don't want. I agree with one of the previous posters. You should hire a good photographer and get some better pics listed that fit into the type of work you want to do. And BTW I am 120 and 5'9" now, I am also 32F-24-38. I have implants and have also had lipo, tummy tuck, muscle repair. I have also had 4 kids. Thanks
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S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24376
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Posted by Marguerite:
Posted by David A:
Posted by Marguerite: I don't understand in the past couple of months I have received so many replies (not on MM) from people who claim to be photographers. I need legit work. And most of the replies are for porn/adult work. I clearly state on all sites that I am a member of that I do not do nude/adult/porn. I would love to hear from photographers on what questions I should ask photographers when they contact me for work? Please help. I use to have an agent and have also had managers. But I really want to do with out them for now. If the photographer believed something just because you wrote it then they'd believe you were really 5'9" and 120 lbs. The problem is, your pictures don't look like your measurements. I'm not trying to be mean but you don't look like all the other 5'9" 120 lb models. Models will always get offers for work outside their comfort zone. You need to learn to ignore offers you don't want. I agree with one of the previous posters. You should hire a good photographer and get some better pics listed that fit into the type of work you want to do. And BTW I am 120 and 5'9" now, I am also 32F-24-38. I have implants and have also had lipo, tummy tuck, muscle repair. I have also had 4 kids. Thanks i am not taking with issue with your dimensions, you are a lovely young woman..but what david is saying is..well take a look at april on my page..she is 5'9", 115lbs, 34-24-34..theres a bit of a visual discrepency....
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DJTalStudios
Posts: 602
Seattle, Washington, US
Posted by RFAphoto: Yes it is all Basic 101 knowledge. Yes It gets broken a lot! probably the best piece of advice on rules is "In order to break the rules, one must first know them". I like that about the rules... LOL
Posted by RFAphoto: I was referring to those that never bothered to learn what they are dong in the first place. she was asking on how to weed out a Photographer from a GWC. Basic Knowledge is a good way to accomplish this, the average GWC would be lost without his camera telling him what to do. A photographer on the other hand has a camera as a tool, and as a tool it is used to produce a photograph, not as a status symbol or as a computer to replace actual knowledge of how to expose film or an Image sensor. I don't know I fully agree with this statement. I know officers who couldn't tell you the blastedly stupid rules of engagement but are DAMN good officers and leaders. Yeah I know Officers are like lawyers... there's no such thing as a good one. But anyone can read a book and get the basic info. Can they apply it though? I think that is the REAL trick.
Posted by RFAphoto: Photography is both a science and an art, Knowing how to properly expose your chosen medium does not guarantee you can produce a picture that is what someone will want. Knowing what to put in a picture and not knowing how to get that result is called being Underqualified for your chosen profession. Or it could also be trying to figure it out. How many of the great photographers didn't have a clue how to compose something but figured it out by doing? And you don't need a formal education to win a Pulitzer... just be the one who captured the incredible moment! But here is MY Question... what if the model herself doesn't know the FStop rule??? How would she know she was given the correct answer to begin with?
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Halcyon 7174 NYC
Posts: 20109
New York, New York, US
Posted by DJ Foothill: Would that be a spanish swallow??? Spanish fly, african/european swallow.
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Halcyon 7174 NYC
Posts: 20109
New York, New York, US
Posted by Doug Swinskey:
Posted by Marguerite: And BTW I am 120 and 5'9" now, I am also 32F-24-38. I have implants and have also had lipo, tummy tuck, muscle repair. I have also had 4 kids. Thanks i am not taking with issue with your dimensions, you are a lovely young woman..but what david is saying is..well take a look at april on my page..she is 5'9", 115lbs, 34-24-34..theres a bit of a visual discrepency.... Yeah, these guys are right. No amount of surgery is going to put you back in the game after 4 kids. And the "thanks" part just blew your chances of working with most of the photographers reading this thread.
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theda
Posts: 21719
New York, New York, US
Posted by Marguerite: And BTW I am 120 and 5'9" now, I am also 32F-24-38. I have implants and have also had lipo, tummy tuck, muscle repair. I have also had 4 kids. Thanks Are you hollow?
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udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Posted by RFAphoto: Wow I really pissed off a lot of people mentioning the sunny 16 rule, Thank God I didn't mention using a light meter!! Nope! You didn't piss people off because you have "MENTIONED the sunny 16 rule", you have caused the reaction because you have stated that if we can not answer what the proper "aperature" is to be used for a normal scene in bright sunlight when shooting 100 speed film at 1/125, within TWO SECONDS, we should reconsider calling ourselves "photographers". That statement was obnoxious, superficial and immature and THAT pissed people off. How about she should judge the quality of a photographer on his ability to spell the basic terms of his profession correctly! Someone like me, who is not a native English speaker gets an automatic handicap... LOL My suggestion is that she should take a look at the photographer's portfolio and see if she likes his pictures...
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空
Posts: 5264
New York, New York, US
Mark thinks in the most thoughtful way one can think. But what is a good shady shot? For I was told that when shooting at 11 am to 3 pm to just shoot the model in open shade for direct sunlight is too harsh, and deep shade is toooo soft and green often, but open shade. Well open shade is just right. So Little Red Riding Hoodlum went into the shade to strip and show off that body for the weirdo GWC. (hey, I heard that story when I was young so she must be old enough by now.) time for sleep,
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RFAphoto
Posts: 223
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Posted by DJ Foothill:
Posted by RFAphoto: Yes it is all Basic 101 knowledge. Yes It gets broken a lot! probably the best piece of advice on rules is "In order to break the rules, one must first know them". I like that about the rules... LOL
Posted by RFAphoto: I was referring to those that never bothered to learn what they are dong in the first place. she was asking on how to weed out a Photographer from a GWC. Basic Knowledge is a good way to accomplish this, the average GWC would be lost without his camera telling him what to do. A photographer on the other hand has a camera as a tool, and as a tool it is used to produce a photograph, not as a status symbol or as a computer to replace actual knowledge of how to expose film or an Image sensor. I don't know I fully agree with this statement. I know officers who couldn't tell you the blastedly stupid rules of engagement but are DAMN good officers and leaders. Yeah I know Officers are like lawyers... there's no such thing as a good one. But anyone can read a book and get the basic info. Can they apply it though? I think that is the REAL trick.
Posted by RFAphoto: Photography is both a science and an art, Knowing how to properly expose your chosen medium does not guarantee you can produce a picture that is what someone will want. Knowing what to put in a picture and not knowing how to get that result is called being Underqualified for your chosen profession. Or it could also be trying to figure it out. How many of the great photographers didn't have a clue how to compose something but figured it out by doing? And you don't need a formal education to win a Pulitzer... just be the one who captured the incredible moment! But here is MY Question... what if the model herself doesn't know the FStop rule??? How would she know she was given the correct answer to begin with? I figured someone wound quote the F-Stop rule, and F16 has been mentioned a few times in this thread as the correct answer. I honestly had no idea that using the "Sunny 16" rule as an example of basic photographic knowledge would cause such a tremendous backlash! I mark that up as experience gained.
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DJTalStudios
Posts: 602
Seattle, Washington, US
Posted by RFAphoto: I figured someone wound quote the F-Stop rule, and F16 has been mentioned a few times in this thread as the correct answer. I honestly had no idea that using the "Sunny 16" rule as an example of basic photographic knowledge would cause such a tremendous backlash! I mark that up as experience gained. I dont think that I was adding to any backlash. Just trying to make the point that technical knowledge might not be the best way to judge talent or ability.
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David A
Posts: 373
Pleasant Grove, Utah, US
Posted by Marguerite:
Posted by David A:
Posted by Marguerite: I don't understand in the past couple of months I have received so many replies (not on MM) from people who claim to be photographers. I need legit work. And most of the replies are for porn/adult work. I clearly state on all sites that I am a member of that I do not do nude/adult/porn. I would love to hear from photographers on what questions I should ask photographers when they contact me for work? Please help. I use to have an agent and have also had managers. But I really want to do with out them for now. If the photographer believed something just because you wrote it then they'd believe you were really 5'9" and 120 lbs. The problem is, your pictures don't look like your measurements. I'm not trying to be mean but you don't look like all the other 5'9" 120 lb models. Models will always get offers for work outside their comfort zone. You need to learn to ignore offers you don't want. I agree with one of the previous posters. You should hire a good photographer and get some better pics listed that fit into the type of work you want to do. And BTW I am 120 and 5'9" now, I am also 32F-24-38. I have implants and have also had lipo, tummy tuck, muscle repair. I have also had 4 kids. Thanks I wasn't trying to be mean and I am sorry you took it that way. I was trying to point out discrepancies that cause photographers so send you nude requests - which request was your original gripe that started this thread. A model fills out a profile says no nudes. Maybe it's because she's new and doesn't want to go their right now. Many models after gaining some experience find that nudity isn't really a problem for them. People change. Maybe they think that after 4 kids you're not getting the work you were and maybe you want work enough to go into nudes. I was trying to give some honest insite into why you're getting these offers. I've never asked a model to take her clothes off so don't think I'm trying to push you into something you don't want to do. Nudity is an individual decision each photographer/model needs to decide for themselves. I'm not going to get onto a moral high ground on this issue. You need to accept the fact that as long as you call yourself a model and have an online profile you're going to get offers you don't want. Regards, David
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Marguerite
Posts: 21
Atlanta, Georgia, US
All that I was asking with this post is how to weed out "Shady Photographers" from real ones. And so called talent scouts? What are some good questions to ask. And yes I was offened by someone saying that I am not what my profile says. No in some of the pictures I was not but now I am. I work very hard to retain my figure, and size. I work out, control my diet. And what I meant by legit photographers is they say one thing and are/do another. It seems like any guy/girl with a $500. camera can call themselves a photographer. How can I weed these amatures out from true photographers with a passion for what they do. Thank you for your understanding. Best reguards!
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S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24376
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Posted by Marguerite: All that I was asking with this post is how to weed out "Shady Photographers" from real ones. And so called talent scouts? What are some good questions to ask. And yes I was offened by someone saying that I am not what my profile says. No in some of the pictures I was not but now I am. I work very hard to retain my figure, and size. I work out, control my diet. And what I meant by legit photographers is they say one thing and are/do another. It seems like any guy/girl with a $500. camera can call themselves a photographer. How can I weed these amatures out from true photographers with a passion for what they do. Thank you for your understanding. Best reguards! ok..take me for example. if i offered you some opportunity... from my profile and online information you can find out: my name my website my email, (which isn't a web based anonymous email address like hotmail or yahoo) my phone number my business partner my self portrait my refernces my prices studio address some of my clients and some of my tear sheets you can find this out without asking me..just looking no professional is going to hide his contact and business information from prospective clients.. anyone that contacts you and still leaves questions in your mind, that should raise a flag.. ask questionss then make your determination, from the answers you get... or you could just ask him if he knows the sunny 16 rule..J/K...
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Marguerite
Posts: 21
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Doug, Thank you. I thought on here I would get some honest and legit photographers to answer in help ways. I appericate all of the helpful honest replies. To all have a wonderful weekend and rest of the week. And again thanks to all who replied.
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Timothy Agee
Posts: 1
Daytona Beach, Florida, US
I shoot all styles. The first thing a photographer should do is to ask You what type of shoot you are wanting to do? Granted if it is a paid shoot they will tell you what is involved up front and You decide to take the job or not. These boards are filled with wanna be adult photogs and that is up to them as we are free here. Most of the time I like to meet the models before the shoot and see how we feel working with each other. Later in the shoot if they wish to do nude fine, if not fine. The model does have more control on things if they just speak up and don't fall for that " you have to to make it baby" routine.
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David A
Posts: 373
Pleasant Grove, Utah, US
Posted by Marguerite: It seems like any guy/girl with a $500. camera can call themselves a photographer. Any anyone with a webcam can post images on the net and call themselves a model. The talent isn't in assuming the title but producing the work. Sorry again for my offense, it wasn't my intention. I won't go into my intention again, I've already done that. Doug gave you good advice. Find out what you can about them including their work. If things don't feel right then don't do it. Best wishes David
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