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D R A G O N F L Y

Posts: 1593

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

Chip Morton wrote:
Preface: I'd like to hear mainly from some of the larger players here. Those that don't bat an eye at the pressure of say, a six figure job or delivering a bazillion pages of editorial to a publication that circulates 300,000. Not that I don't value everyones opinion; I'm just looking for a very far removed viewpoint.
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Recently there was a post that took a brief, but related, detour.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/p.php?thread_id=206230
Two notable and established veterans. Mr. Randall and Mr. Eastwood had an info exchange on file archiving and management. It was scary shit and made Mr. Randall's penis shrivel. (his words.)

  At one point, Mr. Eastwood remarked
"And all I want to do is get back to the days where I just took a camera and ran out with a girl and shot some stuff at the park or local college campus and did not know what I was doing or that I was not suppose to be doing it there let alone without 14 lights and 3 people to hold them."

This made me pause for a long time. I think that most of us got into photography because we were attracted to the magic, this amazing thing that records what and how we see, and then we can show it to others. Hopefully that phase lasts forever where we jump up and down showing someone a new image screaming like a little kid in a sandbox. Like the little kid in a sandbox, everything is perfect; nothing was ever done "the wrong way. It was ALWAYS perfectly the way it should be. I don't think any of us thought "Yeah! I can't wait for the day that I burn through 5 TB's a month and struggle to stay on top of copyright law!"

  There's no doubt that the successful photographers that have managed to grow their business to several employees and dollar numbers I can't imagine must feel the grind sometimes. But how has all that growth changed how they shoot? Are the same subjects still fascinating? Is the simple magic of fresh vision jaded by time, business pressures and keeping up with the Joneses? Is what was once interesting no longer so, not through the natural evolution of life experience but through the unnatural production of vision, like the way a musician might stand too close to the amps for too long and become a touch hard of hearing?

Let fly.

Well I was certainly never a major player, nor in any kind of league with the folks you've named, but I did shoot full time for a number of years. Finally I laid down the camera as far as being a working pro, so that I could get back to the place you describe above.

That's certainly not the answer for everybody, just for me. And I'm certainly not hating on the working pros here or saying they can't be inspired, because clearly many are. But for me, this has played a huge role in getting my spark back.

However you do it, I think you have to take time to step back and interact with the things in life that inspire you, to 'fill the well' as Julia Cameron says in The Artists Way. Then come back to your work refreshed. And when you find inspiration, build on it. I think personal work is very important for a working shooter for this reason too.

Just my .02

May 26 09 01:49 pm Link

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D R A G O N F L Y

Posts: 1593

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

Great thread topic, BTW.

May 26 09 01:50 pm Link

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GCobb Photography

Posts: 15898

Southaven, Mississippi, US

I obviously don't shoot commercial and haven't had any major shoots like established photographers.  That could be changing soon.

But last week sitting in a restaurant and rather than eating and thinking about bills, I was looking at the pretty colors in the room thinking "that would make for a good place to shoot".  Or I'd look out the window that faced north and look at the lighting coming in...things like that.

I don't think "simple" anymore.  Taking the P&S or just a camera and lens out to just get lesser involved shots has its own benefit.

May 26 09 02:03 pm Link

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StephenEastwood

Posts: 19585

Great Neck, New York, US

Just want to bump this and add, that between the 5D2 and its amazing high iso performance, and my new fascination with speedlites and the PW TT5's I put together 3 very small 7 light wireless battery powered kits (well OK smaller than bringing broncolor packs and heads) that may allow me more playful experimental shooting, (so far I have used the speedlites and tt5's only on real jobs, but I expect that top change) I see the portability and convenience of the whole system opening up the possibility of bringing back some of the earlier years of fun shooting.  Its a great time to be playing.

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.PhotographersPortfolio.com

Jul 11 09 11:40 am Link

Model

Tiddles McFancypants

Posts: 155

London, England, United Kingdom

At my peak as a journalist I was working for magazines that had a combined circulation in the UK of well over a million. I remember thinking once that that means a readership of 8 million, which means 1 person in 8 in the country will read my words. That's scary. When I told myself to concentrate on writing to impress myself first and foremost it became far less intimidating.

Jul 11 09 11:46 am Link

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rdhphotography

Posts: 132

Orem, Utah, US

I'm new here, so please don't think I'm referring to anyone here or this site. All I own / have ever owned is a camera, flash, and a reflector. I only used other lighting equipment in a class I took once about 20 years ago. Sometimes I do some weird stuff in PS, but that's about it.

Many years ago I received compliments for my images - now they hardly get a second look... I don't really care I shoot for me and my subjects (if they want the images).

I like all of the elaborate, well planned, set built, retouched images I see, but I still fall in love with just a great traditional raw photograph.

Jul 11 09 11:56 am Link

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GWC

Posts: 1407

Baltimore, Maryland, US

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Jul 11 09 12:02 pm Link

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Benjamin Kanarek

Posts: 3092

Paris, Île-de-France, France

As I feel this essay I have written merits a separate posting, I will also do so...

I have so many stories about my life from the Fashion Battle Field, I don't know which one to share first.

Should I do my Kim Alexis story, Bert Stern story, Andie MacDowell story or the Janice Dickenson story?

Ok here goes "She loves me, she loves me not, she loves me.."

Well the flower petals have chosen the Bert Stern story. You probably all know who Bert Stern is.  If not, he did the last sitting with Marilyn Monroe and has shot for everyone from Bazaar to Vogue and everything else that is considered credible.

Several years ago when I was living in Mid Town New York on East 58th Street and only in New York for about 6 months, I got a call from an Art Director named Michael Aprigliano who I had shown my portfolio to several weeks before.  It was quite late in the evening and his voice sounded quite frenzied and panicky.  I said "What's wrong Michael?" He asked if he could come and see me with a colleague of his from the Ad Agency and said that he had an urgent problem to solve.  It was already 10:00 PM and I was sufficiently curious to comply ad said "Sure, no problem, come on over…"

Michael arrived at my place around 10:30 PM with his female associate and sat down and spurted out, "I have a serious problem and we are hoping that you can help us out..."  I sat and listened. The next thing that came out of his mouth was a question.  "Ben, have a look at this image and tell me honestly what you think of it."  He went in to his attaché case and pulled out several Medium Format slides and select one for me to have a look at.  I asked him to wait a moment and brought out a small light box to have a closer look.  On the slide was a very pretty model standing against a grey back drop with a tiny squiggle of light that kind of looked like a light worm just slightly off center from where she was standing.  I looked closely at the image and felt rather embarrassed and didn't quite know what to say.  I looked at Michael and asked, "what do you want want, a diplomatic answer or my personal opinion?"  He looked at me for a moment and said, "please, tell me what you think of this?"

I starred at the image for what seemed like a very long time and said, "Michael, I don't really know how to say this, but, ah, well, ah, it kind of looks like a first year student in photography school attempting to shoot a fashion story…" Michael desperately looks at his colleague, glances at me, looks at her and starts to speak really quickly with her almost forgetting that I am in their presence.

"What are we going to do, we have already shot three days and it is costing us a fortune, what should we do?"  She looked at him and said with a very firm voice, "We have to pull the plug!"  Michael with a grave look on his face  says , "Ben, how quickly could you be available to shoot for us?"  But before I could answer, they commence a flurry of back and forth dialogue at 100 kilometers a second and finally blurts out, "We Can't Continue with Bert!"

The room fell in to total silence. You could hear a feather drop. I felt sick to my stomach and could hardly believe my ears and responded, "Bert Reynolds…" just to lighten things up and the first Bert that came to mind and honestly not really wanting to believe the Bert he was referring to.  I could not even imagine that the Bert that they were referring to could be the Bert I knew as a celebrity.

Michael looked me straight in the eyes and said, "No Ben, not Bert Reynolds…Bert Stern."  I screamed out "No way Michael, there is no way I am re-shooting for Bert Stern, are you crazy!!!"  he said "You have to…Please!"  I said "Bert Stern is one of the greats, this can't be happening!"
Michael said, "Look Ben, we want exactly what you showed us in your portfolio that you did for "New York Fashion District News", that is the atmosphere we need for this shoot.  I asked, "What is the shoot?"  Michael "It is one of our biggest clients 'Dayton Hudson's' and it is the Dayton Hudson Christmas Book."  You will be shooting with Elle MacPherson, Andi McDowell, etc..etc..etc..It is a seven day shoot and you need to start tomorrow.

I looked at him and took a deep breath and said "Ok on one condition…" he said what's that?  "That I can get my assistant John Naschinski in LA to fly in to assist me."  He said, you got it.  I picked up the phone, called John and got him on a flight from LA that evening for our shoot the next morning.  We shot at the Broadway Studios at 19th and Broadway.  I had to stay up till four in the morning preparing for the next day discussing the shoot with Michael.

Everything was prepared for the shoot except the painted backdrops which we ordered first thing in the morning for that day and commenced hair and make-up and all the other stuff that one does for a fashion shoot.

The morning was moving along quite smoothly until…Are you read for the punch line?

Next door, there was another shoot happening.  I think it was for New York Times Fashion Magazine.  I went in to the hall way and looked on the blackboard to see who was shooting that day.  My jaw hit the floor! It was Bert Stern shooting for them and to add to that it was Bert Sterns Birthday, because on the blackboard it said "Happy Birthday Bert."  I guess he was on second option and was cancelled the evening before, opening him up  for New York Times.

A couple hours later, I see a guy walk in to my studio.  I look at him and know his face right away.  I think to myself,  "Oh shit, what am I going to say?"  He speaks to someone in the studio who points at me and Bert turns towards me and approaches me quickly.  He puts out his hand and says, "Hi, I'm Bert Stern."  I stutter out, "Bert…Bert, I am really sorry I had nothing to do with this, I am so sorry really I am…" I could see in his eyes that he knew how uncomfortable I was feeling and said "Don't worry kid, we all have our bad days and anyways it's my Birthday!"

I looked at him, took his hand, shook it and said "Happy Birthday Bert, have a Happy Birthday."  I think I got a piece of cake during the day.
The shoot went really well and the catalogue is still in the archives of Target Stores who purchased Dayton Hudson's.  I am trying to get a copy from their archives department, which has been a logistical nightmare.  The good news is that it has been archived.

So, is there a lesson to be learned from this? I think so.  We all have good and bad days. Learn to turn the page. Have dignity and try to remain humble.  One more thing.  Bert was a true Gentleman and showed no malice towards me and that in its own right was a valuable lesson for me.

Well there you have it.  Just one of my many stories from the Fashion Battle Field.

http://www.benjaminkanarekblog.com/xoy

Mar 24 10 04:36 pm Link

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Han Koehle

Posts: 4100

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

I've stood too close to the amps and become a touch hard of hearing.

I strongly recommend that live music photographers invest in really good ear plugs.

Mar 24 10 04:49 pm Link

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Swank Photography

Posts: 19020

Key West, Florida, US

Chip Morton wrote:
Preface: I'd like to hear mainly from some of the larger players here. Those that don't bat an eye at the pressure of say, a six figure job or delivering a bazillion pages of editorial to a publication that circulates 300,000. Not that I don't value everyones opinion; I'm just looking for a very far removed viewpoint.
~~~~~~

Recently there was a post that took a brief, but related, detour.
https://www.modelmayhem.com/p.php?thread_id=206230
Two notable and established veterans. Mr. Randall and Mr. Eastwood had an info exchange on file archiving and management. It was scary shit and made Mr. Randall's penis shrivel. (his words.)

  At one point, Mr. Eastwood remarked
"And all I want to do is get back to the days where I just took a camera and ran out with a girl and shot some stuff at the park or local college campus and did not know what I was doing or that I was not suppose to be doing it there let alone without 14 lights and 3 people to hold them."

This made me pause for a long time. I think that most of us got into photography because we were attracted to the magic, this amazing thing that records what and how we see, and then we can show it to others. Hopefully that phase lasts forever where we jump up and down showing someone a new image screaming like a little kid in a sandbox. Like the little kid in a sandbox, everything is perfect; nothing was ever done "the wrong way. It was ALWAYS perfectly the way it should be. I don't think any of us thought "Yeah! I can't wait for the day that I burn through 5 TB's a month and struggle to stay on top of copyright law!"

  There's no doubt that the successful photographers that have managed to grow their business to several employees and dollar numbers I can't imagine must feel the grind sometimes. But how has all that growth changed how they shoot? Are the same subjects still fascinating? Is the simple magic of fresh vision jaded by time, business pressures and keeping up with the Joneses? Is what was once interesting no longer so, not through the natural evolution of life experience but through the unnatural production of vision, like the way a musician might stand too close to the amps for too long and become a touch hard of hearing?

Let fly.

Just reminds me of why I shoot alone for the most part.

If ever I need to use an assistant...I use my daughter. Se knows better than to piss the shit out of me or get in my way.

Mar 24 10 04:51 pm Link

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Mortonovich

Posts: 6209

San Diego, California, US

Benjamin, thank you for your input. Cool story.

Mar 25 10 08:43 am Link