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How do you deal with a rude, difficult model?
I can't really comment on models and bad behavior or giant ego's, because some photograhers are the same way. I think the best way is to act professional and try to understand why the person is angry or demanding...ask them what it is you can do that will make them happy. If they say you're doing it all wrong and it won't work, then tell them you're sorry the time was wasted and offer another day. Kill them with kindness. They will go home and realize what an arsehole they were. Jun 09 05 11:47 am Link Posted by Reese: or just pretend you have film in the camera... cheaper Jun 11 05 06:27 pm Link The rude models, after discussing their behavior with them and assuming it doesn't change, we generally terminate their services, in private, on the spot. End of shoot. If it's a TFP shot, we bill her for our services (set up, assistant, take down, any time wasted on the model - this language is in our Model Release form, which we go over with her/him before the shoot), and our attorney sends her/him a letter stating that her termination was because of (insert reason here)(he's my partner, so I don't have to pay him). I've just encountered what one of the other photographer's posted in either this or another room: a model emails us 6 months after a shoot and wants her photographs removed from our site because her parents don't like them, or they don't like her modeling at all. First time in 20+ years of shooting. She said all the other photographers had ask her before they used any of her images (she is using some of our images on her website, incidently). I replied, "please re-read the contract, that's the agreement you and I had, and I can't get into the middle of family arguments - it does say we own the copyrights and can use all images shot by us in any way we desire (so can the model use them). I just took her 4 photos off our site and emailed her back that this was a breech of our agreement and I'd suggest, perhaps, she find a new line of work. I know photographers can be a pain in the butt, too, but g.d. - I'm just about at the point of going back to staight commercial work. It only takes a few bad models (like bad photographers) to make the rest suspect. Of course, we have our sweet hearts who we shoot and work together as a team, but more-and-more, with this TFP business, we're seeing (or at least I am) the bad "I'm-a-model-this-week" coming out of the woodwork. Think I'm going to go clean a lens of something. Ugh. www.portlandfilmworks.com Jun 11 05 06:37 pm Link I don't. Ever. One of the side effects of the type of art i do is that I have to make certain the model and I understand each other as clearly as possible. This requires a bit of "getting to know you" time in advance of the shoot. Through the process of clarifying what we both expect of the shoot, I get a pretty fair idea of what the model is like as a person. The few times I've gotten a bad vibe from models, I simply let them know I didn't have a good feeling about the shoot and perhaps she should find someone else to work with. They're usually so shocked by my candor that they don't have time to get upset. There are other ways to tell what a model is going to be like as well. Just read her profile: If she has a lot of declarations about I DON'T DO THIS and I WON'T DO THAT...you should probably avoid them. I'm sure models think this is just them "being safe," but it's acutally a rather immature way to get a point across. I mentioned in another thread here that I called off a shoot with a really well known [web] model simply from reading her daily blog...The constant torrent of negative energy and disdain for the very type of work I was hoping to do with her made it clear that I was better off saving my time, energy and money for another project. And if all else fails, just ask a new model for references...They have no problem asking for OUR references -- what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Heading off unpleasant situations is just a matter of keeping your eyes and ears open. Jun 11 05 08:45 pm Link My MUA loves to get in the face of bitchy models, she flips it right back at them, and you know what? they usually become good friends by the end of the shoot, and the models alway become a pleasure to work with after my MUA has been in their face LOL ... gotta love having someone who has the special way of turning around those situations  Jun 11 05 09:19 pm Link "How do you deal with a rude, difficult model?" If she is truly, really rude, the words I use are: We're done here, have a nice day. If she's just a diva, I calmly and quietly hand her the camera and leave. Works every time. Jun 12 05 02:24 am Link I can see a couple of ways of dealing with such a model. If it is just you and her, try talking to her about it. or when she doesn't take directions you tell her too, then ask her what she wants to get from the time. It she's part of a group, then I would take her aside and talk to her in private during a break. There may be a legitamate reason for her attitude and it may just be best to either reschedule or not work with her anymore. Then again, I have yet to actually deal with one, so I can't say for sure if any of that will work. Jun 16 05 08:27 pm Link Did anyone see my roll of Duct Tape!! Jun 16 05 08:32 pm Link Not that I have shoot a multi-model shoot before, But I think in that situation, I would do something like this. Ann = B1tch Margaret = good Becky = good " Ok, Now girls, Let's do the three together. " Ann, Can you move to the left a little, Maybe a little more. Yeah right there, now hold it." hmmm Interesting. Ann, Can you move out of the picture for a minute I want to see Just Becky and Maggy.' Click click Click Click.... "oh yeah, you two really mesh well together. Now put your hand up there, Yes..." "Hang on Ann, In a minute." "Ann, Not when I am shooting please, That is unprofessional." "Yes Maggie! Good, Good....." click click click... "Ok, Ann, Now just you on" Click "Good, Now Becky and Maggie again." click click click... "And behind her now Maggie" click click click... click click click... click click click... "Ok Ann, stand right there... um wait, Come mere a minute. Look at those two, see how easy they seem to work together. What do you think of that pose...." click click click...click click click...click click click... "Ok, Ann, your turn again." click "And now all three one time." click click click... "And now without Ann again....." click click click...click click click...click click click...click click click...click click click...click click click...click click click... Ok, Now you see why I do not shoot more than one at a time :-) Jun 16 05 08:45 pm Link Posted by Star: Just tell her to shut up. That's what I do. Jun 18 05 05:20 am Link Again, I agree with John (I always agree with John, whoever he is LOL!) ....just start cutting them out of the shots. The energy at a shoot is so important, I work on the models mood the entire time I am working with her in makeup and hair...I try to get her in an energy to shoot, I compliment her as I do makeup on whatever I can find (everyone has posititve features) ego building is important. I try to make the conversation positive and upbeat but there are times when the model walks in the door with an attitude and there is nothing anyone can do to shake it. It will drag the shoot down. I had the opportunity to watch one very good well known photographer handle a similar situation. The client pulled the photographer aside and said he wanted the model gone (there were 3 others and this one wasn't working in the shot, attitude was the main issue). The photographer smiled started shooting her, shot her for about 5 minutes alone, upbeat smiling the whole time (she just kinda stood there) he is saying.... ..."YES!....YES!.... YES!..., perfect, you're perfect....We got it! thank you sweetie, you're wrapped" kissed her on the cheek and that was the end of it. I smiled and congratulated her on the great job she did, helped her gather her belongings and that was it. If it were a test I think the same thing would work....photographer gets real excited about the bad model and just shoots for 5 or 10 minutes straight, tells her he or she got the shot, not need to repeat perfection and send her on her way. Jun 18 05 10:28 pm Link I like tys suggestions as well LOL! Hand her the reflecter and tell her how to use it properly. Give her the pizza order and tell her to make it snappy.... Jun 18 05 10:31 pm Link Be honest! Just say "you're being very rude and unprofessional" and ask her to leave if she cant straighten up her attitude. Jun 21 05 07:22 pm Link Posted by Star: Sorry to hear about that. Maybe not asking her back would be the best thing for you to do. As it is you are doing her a favor by even doing a TFP session in the first place and this is how she repays you with her ungrateful attitude. You don't need her, you can find way better talent out there. Jun 23 05 05:29 am Link :::::::::::MODERATING:::::::::::: Alexandra... ONE TIME ONLY will I warn you... Watch which profane words you use... Jun 23 05 08:52 am Link Posted by Reese: How do I deal with rude models? Jun 23 05 09:04 am Link Can I list you as a stalker or a fan? The fan's are cool.. but the stalkers send me better gifts... Jun 23 05 09:07 am Link Posted by Reese: I am a stalker fan. I am cool and will still send you great gifts! Jun 23 05 09:12 am Link How do I deal with rude models? I usually find that 3 Iron works well but for the really rude ones I use a driver. I get better distance with the really rude ones. Jun 23 05 09:20 am Link Posted by Ty Simone: Posted by Reese: I am a stalker fan. I am cool and will still send you great gifts! LOL Jun 23 05 09:23 am Link Posted by Monsante Bey: Make sure your policy on image manipulation is a well stated fact. I have my policy EXTREMELY detailed on every page where my port appears. That way that problem wont show up Jun 23 05 09:29 am Link Posted by Reese: Excuse me Reese, there are others who have used profanity too. Why are you singling me out? Oh wait, you have a hidden agenda and and only moderate who you see fit. I guess if I were a real model in your eyes then you wouldn't have this problem. Right? Jun 23 05 05:15 pm Link Posted by Alexandra Paris: I am curious what you "didn't do" to elicit such a response early on! Jun 23 05 05:40 pm Link If you read my previous post about dealing with rude people, yes it did have a few curse words. Reese comes in and starts jumping my ass about it. (Yes! I said ASS!) But EVERYONE has used a curse word in this forum at one point, even the mods! So they are not perfect! I was only sharing my opinion, nothing more. And so what if it was laden with a few profanities. The last time I checked I was living in United States, unless the domain itself is registered in Iraq or some other communist country. I remember the immaturity that went on in here and now that certain people are mods, they are abusing their power and moderating who they see fit. And it's BULLSHIT! Yes I used a profanity again. The last time I checked I did live in the US and I thought I did have the freedom to say whatever the FUCK I wanted. So if you feel the need to ban me because I'm not following the same rules you're obviously not, then go ahead. It's only proving my point. So if you ban me just for using a few swear words that others in the past have done and hve not been warned about. It will only prove what I have been suspecting all along. That mods here on this site play favorites. Jun 23 05 05:54 pm Link Posted by Alexandra Paris: Not sure if you are addressing me... but I am NOT a moderator and I don't ban... I am just here since the beginning and make some observations that I am sharing with you. Jun 23 05 06:05 pm Link "The last time I checked I did live in the US and I thought I did have the freedom to say whatever the FUCK I wanted" Greetings, Try yelling "Hi-Jack" on a plane or "Everyone down" in a bank and see how free you will remain. Take care, AJ Jun 23 05 07:58 pm Link how to deal with rude models.... ask ike turner... Jun 23 05 09:27 pm Link Posted by Alexandra Paris: Irag is a communist country? Does your civics knowledge derive from the same place as your medical knowledge? Posted by Alexandra Paris: Does it ever occur to you you that you are especially irritating? Does it ever occur to you that most of the warnings are given via private message? Do you recall the time when I actually asked someone to stop calling you things like "public access queen" even though you richly deserved it? Did you notice that even though Reese and I openly consider you a raving idiot, you haven't been banned? Jun 23 05 11:40 pm Link Posted by theda: Stop mincing words, Theda. Say what you really feel. Jun 24 05 12:00 am Link Ouch. Jun 24 05 12:42 am Link Sorry... I came in late to this post...perhaps someone can clear this up for me... So I noticed the topic of this post is "How do you deal with a rude, difficult model?" So is this the actual live demonstration part????  Posted by theda: Jun 24 05 01:59 am Link Posted by Alexandra Paris: Posted by Reese: Excuse me Reese, there are others who have used profanity too. Why are you singling me out? Oh wait, you have a hidden agenda and and only moderate who you see fit. I guess if I were a real model in your eyes then you wouldn't have this problem. Right? It is not that you are using profane words... it is WHICH words you use... and you know EXACTLY what I am talking about. Jun 24 05 07:46 am Link Posted by Alexandra Paris: How I deal with a rude model is I ask Alexandria to leave... Jun 24 05 07:50 am Link Alexandra, Yes, You live in the United States. Yes, This domain is registered in the United States. No, It does not give you the right to Spew profanities! First, there are laws against it in almost every jurisdiction. Tell a cop to F*ck Off and watch how quickly he sites you for violating the law. Also, It is Tyler's Server, Tyler's Website, And Tyler's Forums. If Tyler says, "You can not have a name that has an A in it!" then You can not have a name that has an A in it, Regardless of where you, he, the domain, the server, or the website actually reside! They are his rules. He has asked Reese and Theda to ploice the site for him. As such, they can revoke your "Right" to be here and your "Right" to spew forth profanity. By being aggressive and confrontational, You are only making things worse. You are here as a guest of Tyler's. If you were a Guest in My house, I would have forcibly removed you long ago for your language. Ever person is entitled to their opinion, no matter how skewed and off the wall it may be. That is not the issue. What is at issue is how you present your opinion. Me, I am neutral, I could care less. However, I have to agree with the mods that your use of profanity is excessive, and the words you use are the extreme end of profane. Ass - Yep, not really profane unless you use it as such. Means a Donkey. And it is in the bible, and actually shows that women have been trying to dominate men throughout history. "And Mary rode Joseph's Ass allthe way to Bethlehem." - Guess he should have made better reservations or something. Bitch - Not really profane, unless you use it as such. Means a Female Dog. A big misunderstanding took place the first time a German Girl met my ex-girlfriend. My Ex was on the Bed with our dog, daisy. The German Girl came into the room with me, and she said, "So that is you bitch." Had to intercept the Ex as she sailed across the room with talons out! F*ck - Profane unless you put the "."s in it. F.U.C.K. - For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge - citation you used to get for pre-marital sex. Tone it down, and people will not attack you as much. You want to scream at me, Go ahead, I enjoy it actually. I live for it! and besides, in 3 hours, I can stop and leave you seething since I will be gone on Vacation for 10 days!! Cheers! War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873) Jun 24 05 08:05 am Link Posted by XtremeArtists: Posted by Alexandra Paris: How I deal with a rude model is I ask Alexandria to leave... She has left and if she pops up again I want to be notified... IMMEDIATELY. Jun 24 05 08:13 am Link Posted by Reese: Posted by XtremeArtists: She has left and if she pops up again I want to be notified... IMMEDIATELY. Damn. I was hoping she'd complain about the i in her name... Jun 24 05 08:15 am Link Posted by Reese: Posted by XtremeArtists: Posted by Alexandra Paris: How I deal with a rude model is I ask Alexandria to leave... She has left and if she pops up again I want to be notified... IMMEDIATELY. An after that extremely long dissertation to try to get her to change her ways!!! Jun 24 05 08:25 am Link Posted by theda: Posted by Alexandra Paris: Irag is a communist country? Does your civics knowledge derive from the same place as your medical knowledge? Posted by Alexandra Paris: Does it ever occur to you you that you are especially irritating? Does it ever occur to you that most of the warnings are given via private message? Do you recall the time when I actually asked someone to stop calling you things like "public access queen" even though you richly deserved it? Did you notice that even though Reese and I openly consider you a raving idiot, you haven't been banned? "Yes, RAVING idiot...That's the perfect term" Jun 24 05 08:37 am Link Show em the door!! Jun 25 05 03:47 pm Link |
