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Models that bring boyfriends to Photoshoots.
I had a few bad experiences with bf's at shoots in the past so for a long time i have had a standing rule, NO Boyfriends. Hell if you really need to bring someone bc you aren't 100% comfortable or just starting out, i can understand that. Like any industry there are some people that aren't professional and are a bit sketchy. SO if a model mentions she wants to bring someone i always agree, especially for the first shoot, i tell them bring your mom, sister, brother, husband, a friend, but NOT your boyfriend. I have noticed that models don't always feel comfortable and they aren't relaxed, at times i don't feel comfortable and i'm rarely ever uncomfortable. And i'm not even talking about nudes shoots, strictly fashion. Recently a model brought her bf to a shoot and their tension ruined the shoot. any thoughts? i'd be interested in hearing from both sides. Jun 07 05 01:55 pm Link Whoa... I think Matt Grogan should post his horror story on here... His was really good... I'd tell it myself, make it real colorful and interesting (maybe add some details National Inquirer style), but it's not my story to tell... Jun 07 05 02:00 pm Link Escorts are allowed, but are not allowed on the set. This is work, not a social function. their function is to ensure that she arrives and leaves safely, not peer over my shoulder, offer advice and disrupt the session. Jun 07 05 02:06 pm Link I've had shoots before where the escort ruined the shoot and even on one occassion caused me to kick everyone out and send them home. Sad thing is, it wasn't a BF who was the escort but her mother. What I do now when a llama brings a escort is I let the escort sit in the studio for the first outfit only. When the llama switches to a different outfit, the escort has to go into the next room. They are still close enough if the llama needs assistance but are no longer a distraction to either of us. The room for the escorts has a tv to keep them entertained. Jun 07 05 02:07 pm Link *laughs*I don't get what kind of "escorts"these models are bringing but I hear so many horror stories from photographers. I don't get why a model would bring someone to a shoot that could potianally(sp?)screw up her shoot.some photogs are different.some want an escort who will just sit there and do nothing,others want an escort who will help w/ props,lighting things of that nature. I ALWAYS BRING A MALE ESCORT/personal assistant whatever you want to call it. the way I look at it,not all photogs are creeps who are gonna try something but you never know which one will.you won't always get a bad vibe from a creepy photog. now bringing a female escort to me is just silly.another female can be over-powered more easily then a male. now again I don't think all you photogs are weirdo creeps who will be touchy feely or rapists but a girl can never be too careful. and it's always different once you have worked w/ someone. if you have worked w/ them a few times,then I don't really see a need for an escort. just My 2 cents. xxx MP Jun 07 05 02:15 pm Link I usually leave my boyfriend at home... I prefer to bring my twin girlfriends (wink wink)... Jun 07 05 02:18 pm Link I actually insist on escorts, at least with a first time model. Experience has taught me that no matter how "together" a model seems, she's just a new boyfriend or disapproving word away from crying that I "made" her do things she didn't want to. With a bf/escort/whatever present for the shoot, I can cheerfully reply: "what? I "forced" you while your SO was standing next to me?" More and more I'm considereing having a separate release for the escort to sign, attesting to my professional behavior during the shoot. Besides, why would I pass up a chance to have an impromptu assistant free-of-charge? Before long, every escort ends up moving my lights, handing me cameras, going for coffee/food/etc. As for tension ruining the shoot...I never let that stuff get to me. When I'm shooting, I'm in my own little world, just me and the model. You could land a helicopter behind me and I wouldn't notice. Obsessiveness can be a beautiful thing, sometimes. Jun 07 05 02:18 pm Link Posted by dscott: That only works if you have more than one room. Jun 07 05 02:20 pm Link First i must say GREAT posts; thanks. i too have cancelled shoots bc of bf's (escorts) just getting in the way and making decisions for me. that i just gave up, said "Go HOME we are done" As for models bringing escorts bc they think that a photographer will do something is REALLY extreme in my option. A model should do research on a photographer, ask for references, see is work, then work with him. if you don't you are goign into a photoshoot without this knowledge yeah you could be walking into a potentionally bad situation bc i have found several NON-photographers on these sites looking to just meet girls. i would say over 90% of the photographers wouldn't do anything even the more slimball ones. Almost all the professional models i have worked with that do just fashion don't bring an escort. but i mostly shoot in public places. Jun 07 05 02:29 pm Link When I was starting out I always went to shoots alone. I hardly ever would tell people where I'd be going. Dumb, yes. After a weird/gross experience with a photographer, I got a reality check that it could've been much worse and I needed to stop thinking "nothing's ever gonna happen". I started telling people where I'd be going, leave a phone number and address of the studio, etc. I sometimes still go alone, but that's if I've met with the photographer beforehand at a coffee shop or something or we've worked together before. I also sometimes bring my boyfriend...because 1. it's a shoot with someone I don't know. 2. the shoot is far away and I won't feel like driving home. He never ever interferes nor does he comment or peer over the photographer's shoulder. I am comfortable posing and doing what I do to make the shoot a successful one...boyfriend or alone. I feel safer just having my boyfriend around even if he is sleeping in the other room. I'm sure 100% sure that photographers would rather my boyfriend there than my father  Jun 07 05 02:32 pm Link Melvin... that's funny, i tell models, if you do have someone come along, not a problem but make sure they know they WILL be working LOL i understand if you want to cover you ass... and i don't get bothered by someone standing there, but when the model won't give me looks bc she is getting dirty looks from her bf, then i'm pissed bc it's just a waste of my time. Jun 07 05 02:32 pm Link I have a seperate room off of the studio with a locking door and a one way mirror..i havent had to use it because no one ever brings a chaperone too my shoots..ok i had one model bring a chaperone but she had just turned 14 and could not drive the 400 miles on her own!! But it was her mother and i knever saw her during the shoot Jun 07 05 02:45 pm Link You guys actually BOOK legal age models who insist on bringing people to a shoot with them????????? It seems it's the photographers around here who need the reality check and not these unprofessional "so called" models. Jun 07 05 02:50 pm Link that is exactly my point *!photofashion!*. i travel alot and when i'm in europe i don't have these problems there. but i have booked shoots here where models just show up with bf's or escorts unannounced, and if i already setup and am ready do shot i won't just cancel it. Jun 07 05 02:53 pm Link Posted by SML photography: *sly smile* Jun 07 05 03:01 pm Link Most of the time I go alone to shoots. If the shoot is far from my home, I may bring my boyfriend just so we can enjoy the rest of our day in the area I have travelled to. He is super low key and the photographers always enjoy him. If I had a boyfriend that was obnoxious or got in the way, I simply wouldn't bring him at all. However, I am the type of girl who doesn't usually think things out. I'm not the type to panic or think of consequences. I do understand both sides. It can be scary being a girl walking into a man's house that you don't know. We've all heard of Dudes with Cameras. As a model mentioned earlier, I always make sure somebody knows where I am. This is a professional business, yes, but in the real professional world, you typically aren't going to someones house to shoot. In the MM/OMP portfolio building world, most of the time you are. It's sort of different. I don't think the same rules should necessarily apply. Jun 07 05 03:03 pm Link Posted by *!photofashion!*: Hey, just the nature of the business these days. Depending on what i'm shooting and the location, i'll ask the model to bring a mannerable and respectable escort. Jun 07 05 03:08 pm Link well you don't always have to go to someones house. what happend to fun of location photography outside... different subject i suppose. and i'm not trying to be biased against models i understand both sides. Jun 07 05 03:14 pm Link I always say ,"You're welcome to bring a friend.. No boyfriends or husbands please unless I am photographing him." The reason I tell models this is because I have a male assistant and I want the model to feel safe. I had a husband ruin a shoot with me and another photographer. That was when I said never again. He made me and the other photographer very uncomfotable and we ended up getting no expression from the model. The only other problem I have ever had was with a mother. Everytime I would ask for one pose she woud tell her to do a different one. Very annoying. Both shoots were a bust. Jun 07 05 03:14 pm Link Posted by SML photography: Outside shots can be great Jun 07 05 03:20 pm Link i have heard lots of stories and to be honest if you have never had some bad experience just wait, you will sorry to say... that just life. personally i love shooting fashion images at night or really early in the AM with my digital camera or large format on location. and when i do, i almost always shoot with my associate photographer, we work well together. so i guess i just can't relate to the house thing, i have only shot there a few times. Jun 07 05 03:26 pm Link I don't have any problems with escorts or boyfriends, I always suggest an escort. I haven't had any problems with models bringing their boyfriends, the boyfriend either helps me out holding reflectors and such or he sits there and reads a magazine. I can see how they would become a problem, but as a female photographer I don't think the models see much of a need to bring an escort. Jun 07 05 03:33 pm Link Posted by SML photography: Ha. Well considering I'm a model, not a photographer, I HOPE I don't have any bad experiences haha. That would just justify all the reasons models bring escorts. Jun 07 05 03:34 pm Link Posted by Reese: I just fainted and my knees are shaking... Jun 07 05 03:38 pm Link well i'm sure you have had bad experiences with photographers in general, ie. not recieving images or just horrible work. that's what i meant. not the extreme. i would hope not. Jun 07 05 03:40 pm Link Posted by Nerlande: Hah! The way I shoot... you can have your father AND your grandmother at the set... LOL Jun 07 05 03:41 pm Link Udo she was kidding i already asked LOL Jun 07 05 03:41 pm Link Posted by SML photography: DAMN! LOL Jun 07 05 03:42 pm Link Posted by *!photofashion!*: It's America, you can NOT compare that to Euro girls/models. Jun 07 05 03:43 pm Link I have no problem with an escort, as long as all involved understand the work involved, and if an escort interferes with a shoot, the shoot ends then and there. Fortunately, I have had no trouble on that score. Also, just as a model checks out a photographer she/he has never worked with before, I tend to check out models with other photographers to see if any problems have occured previously. In this world, I can understand why a model would not want to work with a strange (not known, not a comment on character) photographer for the first time without anyone around. As someone posted previously, this also acts as a safeguard for the photographer in case an issue should arise. Jun 07 05 03:44 pm Link I can't imagine who I hate enough to bring along on a shoot. It's really boring. I'm scary enough on my own,. photofashion: Let's be realistic here. We're not talkign about models going to a studio where there will be a MUA, a couple of assistants, a stylist and an AD. We're talking about amatuers going to the homes of near strangers for a make-shift shoot. I understand why some models wish to bring escorts under those conditions. Jun 07 05 03:44 pm Link I've never brought an escort to a shoot, and don't plan to. Most of the photographers I work with I've met, talked to on the phone enough to feel comfortable, or have had recommended to me by other models or photographers. If the day comes that I get a disturbing vibe off someone, I won't schedule with them. Pretty simple. I've never yet felt unsafe while working, and to be honest these threads always kind of surprise me. Though I live in a city and take the proper precautions that this necessitates, I rarely feel unsafe, period. I've defended myself verbally and physically enough to know that it would be pretty difficult for someone to take me down. I wonder how many models have taken or are taking some form of self-defense? Knowing you can protect yourself (at least to some extent) can be pretty liberating. Jun 07 05 03:46 pm Link Posted by SML photography: Fortunately, so far, I've had great experiences with everyone I've worked with, and would highly recommend all of them. I'm VERY selective in who I work with, and thankfully, have worked with amazing photographers. Jun 07 05 03:54 pm Link Posted by Reese: Now thats smart thinking! Jun 07 05 03:54 pm Link Posted by theda: I think "escorts" sounds like "bodyguards" it doesn't even sound like chaperone. Jun 07 05 03:56 pm Link The worst Escort experience I have is when I was shooting a model from Cleveland. She brought along her "just had a baby 2 weeks ago and severely lactating friend/MUA" who she would look to for approval whenever I suggested a pose. It took me a few "no, i'm not comfortable with that" to look over and catch her friend nodding "no" to her. I became a touch irate, because we were doing FASHION!!!! Needless to say, I finished off the roll and called it a wrap. The only thing close to that was when I shot a girl and her BF followed her through every room in the house like she had gold in her tushy or something. I'm like "Dude, let the damn girl breathe!" Oh I forgot to mention, the lactating friend (in front of everyone, mind you) squeezed out a large glass full of breast milk. I have it on tape around here somewhere. Jun 07 05 03:57 pm Link Posted by Udo R Photography: Posted by Nerlande: Hah! The way I shoot... you can have your father AND your grandmother at the set... LOL What are you nuts?? Jun 07 05 03:58 pm Link Posted by Hugh Jorgen ©: Posted by Udo R Photography: Posted by Nerlande: Hah! The way I shoot... you can have your father AND your grandmother at the set... LOL What are you nuts?? Hmmmm.... if YOU suggest that... there must be truth to it... I'll keep that in mind the next time... lol. Jun 07 05 04:00 pm Link Guys as long as the model is paying she could bring Jesus Christ with him/her! I have nothing to hide and it's usually the mom, dad, husband, or boyfriend who are paying anyways. Lol, Israel Jun 07 05 04:01 pm Link Posted by Israel Colon: She can bring Jesus with her but the rest gotta go!!! Jun 07 05 04:06 pm Link |
