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Models that bring boyfriends to Photoshoots.
When I am photographing models - no one else is allowed on set, I do their hair, make-up and styling and have no need for an assitant as I am really low key. I have had one model arrive with her boyfriend and since we were shooting in my apartment he was not welcome to wait anywhere in my actual apartment. He could wait in the hall outside the locked door if he wanted but he just left. In fact immediately after he left the model said "Thank you! I asked him not to come because I would have been uncomfortable." Need I say more.... And as a model - That is what the make-up artist is there for. If I were a male photographer I would insist on having a MUA on every shoot to prevent false accusations since the models escort is not exactly an impartial party. I still don't get why these posts come up in all honesty. If you want to be a professional act like a professional - pros use make-up artists on all shoots (ok VERY few exceptions) and models don't bring accompaniment - PERIOD! Although there was a time when I was nieve and brought my bf to shoots - although he is much more of a help than a hinderance. However if he was ever asked to wait in a waiting room or come back in a few hours neither of us would object if there was a mua there. Aug 05 05 08:39 pm Link Posted by Sascha: I am sure there are some that would be honest about it. Aug 05 05 08:44 pm Link yea i can attest to nerlandes boyfriend snoring in the other room..... hahahaha!!!! he goes for burger king too! bonus  and he's a cool guy ya 'all! PLUS, if she brings dana marie.... SHE can kick any guys ASS! hahahaha! right dana? LOL! Aug 05 05 08:51 pm Link To me husband and boyfriend are two different beings. Aug 05 05 09:02 pm Link Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: Aug 05 05 09:04 pm Link Posted by Belair: Posted by Sascha: I am sure there are some that would be honest about it. Oh god, you are so wierd... anyway, I clearly say I'm not here to date/relate and say serious inquiries only. I really don't think I should be any more straight forward, and I don't think I need to lower myself to the level where "boinkers" can comprehend. Where did you get that word anyway? I've been in US for the last 5 years and I never heard anyone use it LOL Aug 05 05 09:05 pm Link Oh, hey, You're question actually should start a whole new thread, "why do models think photographers want to boink them?" It's a new subject on its own, it's a shame to be just a tag to this thread : P Aug 05 05 09:08 pm Link Dang I did the "your" "You're" thing! Aug 05 05 09:08 pm Link Posted by Sascha: Posted by Belair: Posted by Sascha: I am sure there are some that would be honest about it. Oh god, you are so wierd... anyway, I clearly say I'm not here to date/relate and say serious inquiries only. I really don't think I should be any more straight forward, and I don't think I need to lower myself to the level where "boinkers" can comprehend. Where did you get that word anyway? I've been in US for the last 5 years and I never heard anyone use it LOL I'm weird? :-( Aug 05 05 09:10 pm Link No boyfriends, is a common and understandable rule with alot of photographers, if you think it will some how effect the shot, I don't blame you for not allowing it. Aug 05 05 09:18 pm Link my gf is my assistant, i've never had a problem with my models ever.. but that must just be aussie girls, more easy going.. but it's when the model and my gf start yapping about 'boys' it gets annoying quckly cos i'm brought up about every tenth second and end up copping it from both sides haha rexy out. Aug 05 05 09:27 pm Link I found out the hard way that having escorts or representatives on either side of the camera makes no difference when you run into a kook. A couple of years ago, I had a shoot with a model from that "other" site. Also present at the shoot was the studio owner and an assistant. The shoot went fine...no hitches at all and everything seemed amiable. A week later, I met the model in a fast food joint to deliver her CD. During our brief conversation over coffee, she told me a lot of unsolicited information about her finances and family life. I soon got the distinct impression that she was trying to shake me down as a co-signer on a car loan. I didn't take the bait. I wished her well and left. Within a few weeks, I started hearing that "someone" was spreading rumors around open calls that I had tried to jump her bones at a photo shoot. A few months later, I learned that that "someone" was this same model. Although I never came within 6 feet of her, she told folks that I was trying to feel her up etc. 2 other people were present and never saw anything like that happen. My lawyer said that the best he could do is send her a letter telling her to zip her lip, but that might encourage her to say more. She obviously didn't have a pot to piss in. The bottom line is that engaging in "model" photography is a very risky proposition. Many, not all, but many of these "models" are unstable people. Many are bipolar. Many have eating disorders. Many are substance abusers. Thus, the motives that drive their behavior may make no sense to normal people. Every time you shoot with a model, you, the photographer, is risking reputation-destroying gossip being spread about you. Yes, yes, I know...there are plenty of phactup photogs out there, I agree. To be honest, if I was a model, I would never shoot with anyone who didn't have a studio with their name on the door. Few established businessmen will risk all that for the sake of trying to boink some "model." Aug 05 05 09:31 pm Link Well, throwing in my 2 cents, I'm as easy going a photographer as it gets. I really don't care if the model shows up with someone or not. I just want great shots!!! I've had situations where the models bring friends, and I end up shooting them as well, LOL. Some for refrigerator posted memories, others where I actually used the images for commercial purposes. I've had models that want to meet first, no problem. The most professional approach was where a model showed up with her BF, he met me, stayed to chit chat with me while I set up lights, etc, and when the model was done with make-up, he left. That being said, a shoot a couple of months ago that was a complete waste. The model brought her finace and he was cool, very pleasant, just sat at the far end of the studio playing some kind of computer game, but virtually the whole time the model spent more time looking at him than the lens and had a distracted, far away look in all images. This was a fully clothed advertising shoot, ended up costing me time, money and I ended up doing a complete shoot redo with another model. Aug 05 05 09:38 pm Link Posted by Nerlande: Exactly. Sometimes I bring my fiancee along with me for the same reasons. Not ALL boyfriends/husbands/fiances are a "terrible" expirience. My man is usually sitting somwhere where he is not in the way. Plus, if anything did happen to threaten my safety, he would be the first one to protect me. I trust him more than I would any other chapperogne. Aug 05 05 09:42 pm Link Jeezus! This thread won't die! It's like a zombie. Jeezus!  Zombie Jesus?..... Aug 05 05 10:49 pm Link Posted by theda: Isn't that what you said like three or four pages ago? I completely agree. But I also agree that it's different strokes for different folks. Som like 'personal assistants' and some don't, some are okay with the significant other and some aren't. Aug 05 05 10:50 pm Link Posted by Belair: Gee, my four no shows in July might actually have been blessings in disguise, sparing me dealings with nutcases. Aug 05 05 11:15 pm Link I've never allowed boyfriend at the shoot as I've never worked with the model who wouldn't approve the "no boyfriend policy" at the first place. Maybe it was because they wanted to show off with their pictures and use it as a sweet surprise for their boyfriends or maybe I happened to encounter exhibitionists who like stripping in front of men other then their boyfriends - either way all models I've worked with said clear confident YES to my request that anyone but boyfriend will accompany you during the shoot. And I believe that any photographer who would explain the disturbing factor of a boyfriend arond and the intention to make the most of our time invested into it would get full clear approval and understanding of each model. I don't know, this is just my experience. Aug 05 05 11:17 pm Link Posted by Jordan: Posted by Nerlande: Exactly. Sometimes I bring my fiancee along with me for the same reasons. Not ALL boyfriends/husbands/fiances are a "terrible" expirience. My man is usually sitting somwhere where he is not in the way. Plus, if anything did happen to threaten my safety, he would be the first one to protect me. I trust him more than I would any other chapperogne. THAT's what I'm sayin'! Completely agree : ) Aug 06 05 01:35 am Link Posted by SML photography: It's a shame that one bad apple ruins the whole bunch.... Ask anyone who works with me, my boyfriend is an angel. He doesn't get in the way, hell, he always lends a helping hand, wether it is get a new memory card for the camera, reflector duty, etc...... and he causes no tension. He made one photographer kill his no boyfriend rule!!! Aug 06 05 09:45 am Link Posted by photofashion: Is it "unprofessional" to not want to be molested or raped? Not every photographer that books a shoot has purely work in mind. I admit I rarely bring an escort but I generally meet with photographers in public before we set up a shoot so I can get a feel for them. I tend to be a good judge of character. Not every girl is, so this doesn't work for everyone. If I'm going to be alone with a man I've never met before, damn right I'm bringing an escort. Call it unprofessional if you want, I call it self preservation. Aug 06 05 11:23 am Link Posted by phoenixx: Posted by photofashion: Is it "unprofessional" to not want to be molested or raped? Not every photographer that books a shoot has purely work in mind. I admit I rarely bring an escort but I generally meet with photographers in public before we set up a shoot so I can get a feel for them. I tend to be a good judge of character. Not every girl is, so this doesn't work for everyone. If I'm going to be alone with a man I've never met before, damn right I'm bringing an escort. Call it unprofessional if you want, I call it self preservation. AMEN Aug 06 05 01:22 pm Link Ok, this has gone on LONG ENOUGH!!! Breathe everyone, breathe!!!! Aug 06 05 02:36 pm Link If the boyfriend comes along I usually give the camera to him and go pose with his naked girlfriend ... Aug 06 05 07:05 pm Link I have to agree with the first post on this thread. With the kind of work I do, at least partial nudity is required to make one of my sculptures. Early on when I started doing these I didnt think twice about who the model brough along. The first 3-4 sculptures I did went just fine, and then the first one that brought a boyfriend changed that. He knew the pose, knew that his girlfriend would need to be semi clothed during the pose and also knew that I was going to have a FEMALE assistant. When it came time for her to disrobe, he al the sudden had problems with it. Since then I have the unwritten rule that whomever the model brings ( and I strongly suggest they bring someone) be someone that doesnt have an emotional attachment. Since space isnt an issue I tell them they can bring along as many people as they want as long as a boyfriend isnt one of them. I have done probably 50 sculptures since then and have not had a single problem since then. I can assume that one bad apple did spoil it for the rest of the boyfriends out there but the last thing I want to deal with is side issues that have nothing to do with the job at hand. Aug 06 05 07:12 pm Link Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: ! Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: You're right!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aug 06 05 07:22 pm Link all i have to say is bringing your boyfriend/husband is bad idea i did it once had the most uncomfortable shoot..never again Aug 06 05 07:26 pm Link Raped or molested?? I think the original thread has taken off on a tangent a bit. Of course EVERYONES safety is important and I will never argue with that but its not an issue of rape or molestation. I think the whole issue resolves around BOYFRIENDS being the escort not whether an escort is allowed or not. I am all for escorts and I encourage them, I just dont want it to be the boyfriend. I have models bring friends, (male or female), parents, brothers, sisters, co-workers, etc. Boyfriends seem (at the risk of stereotyping), less sure of the relationship and unless they have been dating a while, its a good chance the session he attending is his first or second shoot. Not knowing whats going on and what to expect, its easy to understand how they might have a "bouncer" mentality. Aug 06 05 07:26 pm Link Posted by Plastercasting: i agree completely..btw..great avatar plaster! Aug 06 05 07:28 pm Link If I bring my husband and he sticks around, he doesn't give a crap what I do on the set. He usually plugs his ears with headphones and watches a movie on his pocket pc, eventually falls asleep. then wakes up realizing he's been drewling and he'll go to his car and resume sleeping in his car until I'm done : P Aug 06 05 07:31 pm Link Why thank you Larisa! Aug 06 05 07:41 pm Link On my last shot I liked the boyfriend so much I shot a few of him and asked him to return. I have never had a problem with boyfriends or husbands but I have had a problem with an escort that was a photgrapher. We talked so much photogaphy it ruined the shot for me. Aug 07 05 06:19 pm Link I have only had a small handful of models bring boyfriends on test shoots. They have all been pretty helpful and positive. The set is a pretty comfortable place for everyone. I try to go on shoots with my girlfriend when I can if I admire the work of the photographer doing the work. Although, it is important not to talk shop and just watch. In summary; I donât mind at all and I encourage it if it makes the model feel better but I relize it can be distracting. Aug 07 05 06:56 pm Link send them both home, chaperones are welcome at my shoots always, never, mum, dad, or the boyfriend, period. once bitten twice shy. Aug 07 05 07:09 pm Link |
