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Apr 27 'Beverly Hills Mansion Supershoot' / SoCal
Photographer
Bradford Photography
Posts: 1127
Waterbury, Connecticut, US
Whisky - The Barbarian wrote:
NOTE
Any models who want to shoot with me, please note that I WILL NOT pay for releases.
Thankyouverymuch  hmmmmmmmm
Photographer
Worlds Of Water
Posts: 37732
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US
M Images wrote:
Lookin forwad to that one!! And FYI Brad... check pages 5 and 6... two brunettes there too... 
Photographer
Worlds Of Water
Posts: 37732
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US
Whisky - The Barbarian wrote:
NOTE
Any models who want to shoot with me, please note that I WILL NOT pay for releases.
Thankyouverymuch Yo K-dawg... the SM 'Model Mayhem' releases are ONLY $10 dude... and a great way to show your model her appreciation for attending. Something to consider...
Photographer
Bradford Photography
Posts: 1127
Waterbury, Connecticut, US
Select Models wrote:
And FYI Brad... check pages 5 and 6... two brunettes there too... Haha by that I meant looking forward to getting the email of the entire list of people but yes as well looking forward to meeting Briana too lol
Model
Sarai la
Posts: 1687
Los Angeles, California, US
Select Models wrote:
And FYI Brad... check pages 5 and 6... two brunettes there too... Here is another brunette that is attending, Me!!lol
Photographer
Worlds Of Water
Posts: 37732
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US
Sara Cat wrote:
Here is another brunette that is attending, Me!!lol Yeah... see... now we just may have too many brunettes...  I know of a cute blonde that lives in Ontario I could invite... if she'd ever call me...
Photographer
Worlds Of Water
Posts: 37732
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US
M Images wrote:
Brad is just speechless... somebody give him some oxygen...
Model
Xana Starr
Posts: 77
Village Park, Hawaii, US
Lacie Marie wrote:
SSSSSooooooooo looks like Jessica Simpson!!! she really does!!!
Photographer
Worlds Of Water
Posts: 37732
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US
ms xana wrote:
she really does!!! Who does?.. where dat pic?... 
Photographer
Bradford Photography
Posts: 1127
Waterbury, Connecticut, US
Select Models wrote:
Brad is just speechless... somebody give him some oxygen... Ya, I dont know what happend - I typed shit and it just didnt appear. wierd huh?
Photographer
Worlds Of Water
Posts: 37732
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US
M Images wrote:
Ya, I dont know what happend - I typed shit and it just didnt appear. wierd huh? Welllllllllllll... not really weird... cause if you put your fingers on top of poopoo and you push down... trust me... no letters will show up...
Photographer
Bradford Photography
Posts: 1127
Waterbury, Connecticut, US
Select Models wrote:
Welllllllllllll... not really weird... cause if you put your fingers on top of poopoo and you push down... trust me... no letters will show up... wow Gary, didn't realize we were still 8 years old.
Model
Sarai la
Posts: 1687
Los Angeles, California, US
I found this and thought it was cute!! ![https://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh12/_alixx_--likeshimstill--/brunettes.jpg]() I still love my blonde sisters!!
Photographer
Worlds Of Water
Posts: 37732
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US
Sara Cat wrote:
I found this and thought it was cute!!
![https://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh12/_alixx_--likeshimstill--/brunettes.jpg]()
I still love my blonde sisters!! Fur sure ScatBabe... cute as puppies in a box... and HEY... you gotta quit holdin back on all those blonde sisters...
Model
Sarai la
Posts: 1687
Los Angeles, California, US
Select Models wrote:
Fur sure ScatBabe... cute as puppies in a box... and HEY... you gotta quit holdin back on all those blonde sisters... haha I have a lot of blonde and brunette friends and I wuv them both!
Photographer
Bradford Photography
Posts: 1127
Waterbury, Connecticut, US
Sara Cat wrote:
![https://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh12/_alixx_--likeshimstill--/brunettes.jpg]() Damnn Right!!!
Photographer
K E S L E R
Posts: 11574
Los Angeles, California, US
Select Models wrote:
Yo K-dawg... the SM 'Model Mayhem' releases are ONLY $10 dude... and a great way to show your model her appreciation for attending. Something to consider... How about I give them pictures! I'm sure the value of a photo carries more weight than a measly $10-$20
Ask Shodire, I'm giving her the CD from our last SM shoot this Sunday. Over 100+ SHARP and FULL HIGH RES photos.
Photographer
Worlds Of Water
Posts: 37732
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US
Sara Cat wrote:
haha I have a lot of blonde and brunette friends and I wuv them both! Well come on then... share the wealth... give ME a chance to love'm...
Model
Eleisha Jemuel
Posts: 4980
BLUE JAY, California, US
Whisky - The Barbarian wrote:
How about I give them pictures! I'm sure the value of a photo carries more weight than a measly $10-$20
Ask Shodire, I'm giving her the CD from our last SM shoot this Sunday. Over 100+ SHARP and FULL HIGH RES photos. Someday hopefully.
Photographer
Worlds Of Water
Posts: 37732
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US
Whisky - The Barbarian wrote:
Ask Shodire, I'm giving her the CD from our last SM shoot this Sunday. Over 100+ SHARP and FULL HIGH RES photos. Yes... but DUDE... this Sunday you're gonna be working with close to a dozen models that you've NEVER worked with before...
Photographer
K E S L E R
Posts: 11574
Los Angeles, California, US
Model
Sarai la
Posts: 1687
Los Angeles, California, US
Select Models wrote:
Well come on then... share the wealth... give ME a chance to love'm... Sorry they don't model;) lol
Photographer
Bradford Photography
Posts: 1127
Waterbury, Connecticut, US
Whisky - The Barbarian wrote:
Now that I announced that I will NOT be buying a release, I'm sure that list will thin up a little; I'll be lucky to shoot 3-4.
I will NEVER see the logic in paying for a release when I will NEVER use the photos for publishing or print work. If I did, I will contact the models later and a release will be negotiated on a more professional term.
Besides, most of the time photos will end up on the models portfolio anyways, why should photographers have to pay the models to build their portfolio?
yA DiGG?!?!
If anyone disagrees/ agrees please feel free to PM me and we can discuss  I agree with ya Kesler - you do have a good point and make a strong and valid arguement to support it. Your reasoning makes sense and I agree with the fact that if print does come of these shots then you will renegotiate things. I tell all my models when they sign full releases that if anything comes of the pictures as a result of me putting somewhere (i.e someoen wants to use it for an ad or outright buy it) I will contact that model before making a decision and fill them in on the info and then work out how much to cut them in on (I figure 10-15% at the least) depending on what the usage of the photo is going to be as well if it wasn't for them I wouldnt be makeing the $$ in teh first place lol. Touché good sir!
Photographer
Key Productions
Posts: 528
Oceanside, California, US
$140 for the registration fee + $10x 10 releases = I'm broke and I've to wait for 2 months for the next event...lol... I'd rather use the images as a screen saver... 
Model
Eleisha Jemuel
Posts: 4980
BLUE JAY, California, US
So happy for all the people that get to go. Have fun guys post great pics.
Photographer
K E S L E R
Posts: 11574
Los Angeles, California, US
M Images wrote:
I agree with ya Kesler - you do have a good point and make a strong and valid arguement to support it. Your reasoning makes sense and I agree with the fact that if print does come of these shots then you will renegotiate things. I tell all my models when they sign full releases that if anything comes of the pictures as a result of me putting somewhere (i.e someoen wants to use it for an ad or outright buy it) I will contact that model before making a decision and fill them in on the info and then work out how much to cut them in on (I figure 10-15% at the least) depending on what the usage of the photo is going to be as well if it wasn't for them I wouldnt be makeing the $$ in teh first place lol. Touché good sir! Not signing anything protects BOTH Model and Photographer because neither one can use the photos for anything if either party objects.
Example, lets say a company wanted to use my picture I took of Jeska and use it for a cosmetic advertisement displayed on a European magazine. Now lets say they wanted to offer me somewhere in the 4 digit price range; not only will I need to get Jeska's written release (she'll get a pretty good chunk, I'll probably end up with $500 bucks  ) But I'll need Gary's release too because it was his studio. So in the end instead of going through all that trouble for a measly couple of hundred bucks, the photographer never mentions anything to anyone and everyone lives happily ever after
IMO, signed releases are only relevant IF the shoot was planned from the beginning to be published.
So yea...
Okay, I'll get off my soapbox
Photographer
Ellis - The Cyclops
Posts: 177
Mission Viejo, California, US
Whisky - The Barbarian wrote:
Now that I announced that I will NOT be buying a release, I'm sure that list will thin up a little; I'll be lucky to shoot 3-4.
I will NEVER see the logic in paying for a release when I will NEVER use the photos for publishing or print work. If I did, I will contact the models later and a release will be negotiated on a more professional term.
Besides, most of the time photos will end up on the models portfolio anyways, why should photographers have to pay the models to build their portfolio?
yA DiGG?!?!
If anyone disagrees/ agrees please feel free to PM me and we can discuss Kesler-
I think we have discussed this before, and you know I share the same logic.
I am in the same boat as Manny here... I am barely able to afford the registration let alone all of the model releases. Until I find regular work again that is what I am faced with.
I should end my thoughts here, but I am always open to talk more directly via PM if anyone wants to.
Ok.... Back to the music! Where's that list Gary?
Photographer
K E S L E R
Posts: 11574
Los Angeles, California, US
From the models stand point on charging for the release. Purpose This is mostly due to the fact that a good majority of the photographers that take their pictures never give them their photos. Logic Ladies, if the photographers don't want to show you the photos let alone put them up on the forums, do you REALLY want to see them? I think Someone posted a guide a while back to, "How to Survive a group event, and get the best photos possible." The guide pretty much outlines the following key points. I - Get contact info of all photographers II - Try to avoid the "paparazzi" crowd. III - Understand that posing for multiple photographers at once will reduce your chances of a "great" shot. IV - Both models and photographers must respect each other, do not pass limits. Models and photographers attend group shoots for a couple of reasons, they are to: Network - Meet new people, exchange contact info; find out who you would like to work with on a solo level. Challenge - You have to be pretty creative to get a "clean" shot.
Photographer
Ellis - The Cyclops
Posts: 177
Mission Viejo, California, US
Whisky - The Barbarian wrote:
From the models stand point on charging for the release.
Purpose
This is mostly due to the fact that a good majority of the photographers that take their pictures never give them their photos.
Logic
Ladies, if the photographers don't want to show you the photos let alone put them up on the forums, do you REALLY want to see them?
I think Someone posted a guide a while back to, "How to Survive a group event, and get the best photos possible." The guide pretty much outlines the following key points.
I - Get contact info of all photographers
II - Try to avoid the "paparazzi" crowd.
III - Understand that posing for multiple photographers at once will reduce your chances of a "great" shot.
IV - Both models and photographers must respect each other, do not pass limits.
Models and photographers attend group shoots for a couple of reasons, they are to:
Network - Meet new people, exchange contact info; find out who you would like to work with on a solo level.
Challenge - You have to be pretty creative to get a "clean" shot. I hearby elect K-Dawg as speaking chairman of the photogs. He will now speak on our behalf.
Photographer
Karl Yamashita
Posts: 3305
Temecula, California, US
Anybody get a list of who is attending?
Model
SABRINA BOULTON
Posts: 1106
Fountain Valley, California, US
Hey Gary don't forget me!
Photographer
Bradford Photography
Posts: 1127
Waterbury, Connecticut, US
Karl Yamashita wrote:
Anybody get a list of who is attending? NO!!! OH WHERE OH WHERE IS THIS AMAZING LIST???
Model
Laura A Shodire
Posts: 1173
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US
I don't know-but you're on it!
Photographer
Ellis - The Cyclops
Posts: 177
Mission Viejo, California, US
M Images wrote:
NO!!! OH WHERE OH WHERE IS THIS AMAZING LIST??? I dont know... Did everyone get the email with the 411? I haven't received it yet...
Photographer
Karl Yamashita
Posts: 3305
Temecula, California, US
Jeska and Laura's shoot probably has kept Gary busy. He probably was editing some pictures and fell asleep at his computer.
Photographer
K E S L E R
Posts: 11574
Los Angeles, California, US
Karl Yamashita wrote:
Jeska and Laura's shoot probably has kept Gary busy. He probably was editing some pictures and fell asleep at his computer. That or this time around he finished the left over RUM.
Photographer
Worlds Of Water
Posts: 37732
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US
Ellis - The Cyclops wrote:
I dont know... Did everyone get the email with the 411? I haven't received it yet... Hey Ellis... you got mail with directions... seeya there...
Photographer
Worlds Of Water
Posts: 37732
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US
Another rockin MM superbabe attending... CHARISSA! ![https://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/080401/01/47f1c69bcd56a.jpg]()
Photographer
Worlds Of Water
Posts: 37732
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US
II - Try to avoid the "paparazzi" crowd. ZERO 'paparazzi crowd' invited to this event... infact... the photographer to model ratio at this shoot will be less than 2 to 1...
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I know of a cute blonde that lives in Ontario I could invite... if she'd ever call me... 
) But I'll need Gary's release too because it was his studio. So in the end instead of going through all that trouble for a measly couple of hundred bucks, the photographer never mentions anything to anyone and everyone lives happily ever after