Forums > General Industry > why doesnt anybody want to shoot me clothed!?!?

Photographer

Glamour Boulevard

Posts: 8628

Sacramento, California, US

Robert Perez wrote:
4. When it comes to porn offers on the net they do not care who it is as long as they are alive.

You read her email to know if she meant they are asking her to do porn or art nudes?If not, then you don`t know if they contacted her for porn shots,lol

Feb 05 06 02:34 pm Link

Photographer

Glamour Boulevard

Posts: 8628

Sacramento, California, US

41!

Feb 05 06 02:34 pm Link

Photographer

Pat Thielen

Posts: 16800

Hastings, Minnesota, US

You've gotten some great advice here; I agree that the "X" in your name may be calling attention to people wanting to shoot nudes (or perhaps porn). If you're being haraased by anyone I'd certainly report it to the mods, but if it's just an inquiry then perhaps not. But I'd also indicate in your portfolio what your modeling interests are and that you're not interested in nude modeling. That *may* help.

  Because I do photograph nudes on occasion I ask models I may be interested in if they are comfortable with it. If not, that's fine - I shoot them clothed. But I don't expect everyone to be interested or comfortable with nude modeling, and I certainly do not try to make anyone do something they don't want to do. So, if someone can't take "no" for an anser it's time to move on to someone who will. For what it's worth, if I were anywhere near England I'd be quite happy to photograph you clothed.

  -P-

Feb 05 06 02:43 pm Link

Model

Maggie Shirk

Posts: 92

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

I hate to say it sweetie, but at 16 you are a child (ok, teenager)... My own dear daughter is that age.. and though you may be gaining in maturity you are still.... a child (teenager).  It is horrid that anyone would want to take advantage of you, but this is a sick world.  Just ignore those requests.

Feb 05 06 02:50 pm Link

Photographer

nathan combs

Posts: 3687

Waynesboro, Virginia, US

Maggie Shirk wrote:
I hate to say it sweetie, but at 16 you are a child (ok, teenager)... My own dear daughter is that age.. and though you may be gaining in maturity you are still.... a child (teenager).  It is horrid that anyone would want to take advantage of you, but this is a sick world.  Just ignore those requests.

i agree with this 100% the low may be different in the uk but hear in the us it is 18 (ok in some states it could be lower BUT i would not push my luck and i feel it is unethical to photo some one under 18 nude)

Feb 05 06 02:56 pm Link

Model

leila

Posts: 209

if im a child its wrong that im allowed to move out, get married, have kids, join the army and get sent down

Feb 05 06 03:04 pm Link

Photographer

glenn my name today

Posts: 1025

Lancaster, California, US

people are confusing age of consent (sex) and age of shooting. There are some states that minors can get married as young as 14 with parental consent. Thats not her issue, whether in the US or UK.

Age appropriate to shoot pics a totally different legal matter.

Point is that you can legally have sex well before you can shoot pictures of you doing it.

I don't know about the UK laws, but I do know I have seen topless glamour images in many places of UK girls under 18, so I assume its legal there, but I'm never shooting them.

Bottom line to me is what many others have pointed out, if you put yourself up on a public forum like MM, you will get these requests. Ignore them if you want.

Nobody can stop people from writing you. Put it clearly on your MM profile that you don't do them, and ignore the ones that still write.

Feb 05 06 03:08 pm Link

Model

Lapis

Posts: 8424

Chicago, Illinois, US

Regardless of age or anything else, if a model does not want to shoot nudes, she should not shoot nudes...
A photographer should respect that. However, if the age of consent in your country is 16, and you are 16, there are going to be people wanting to shoot you nude. Say no, or don't reply, and move on. There are many photographers who don't shoot nudes either.

Feb 05 06 03:09 pm Link

Photographer

StMarc

Posts: 2959

Chicago, Illinois, US

nathan combs wrote:
lol sorry i did not meen you but the idea of photoing you nude as long as your under 18 the EWWWWW is for the sick sick people that would photo a child that way

So the day before she turns 18, it's sick, sick people who want to photograph her naked, but the day after, it's all good?

Am I the only one who finds this turn of thought utterly ridiculous?

I mean, fine, if the rule is no shooting

Feb 05 06 03:11 pm Link

Model

leila

Posts: 209

glenn it used to be 16 in the UK to do topless and i think nude but the law changed a couple years back to 18

Feb 05 06 03:14 pm Link

Photographer

StMarc

Posts: 2959

Chicago, Illinois, US

leila wrote:
if im a child its wrong that im allowed to move out, get married, have kids, join the army and get sent down

Not to mention pose in stretch-lace panties. And you wonder why you're getting offers like that?

You are very cute but your portfolio is basically saying, "I can be talked into posing inappropriately for my age." So people are trying to do that. Doesn't make them right, but it does explain a few things.

M

Feb 05 06 03:15 pm Link

Model

leila

Posts: 209

StMarc wrote:

So the day before she turns 18, it's sick, sick people who want to photograph her naked, but the day after, it's all good?

Am I the only one who finds this turn of thought utterly ridiculous?

I mean, fine, if the rule is no shooting

Feb 05 06 03:15 pm Link

Photographer

Pat Thielen

Posts: 16800

Hastings, Minnesota, US

leila wrote:
glenn it used to be 16 in the UK to do topless and i think nude but the law changed a couple years back to 18

Well, in any case I'd reccomend you update your profile with your modeing interests and state "No Nudes!" or something like that (you may want to be more polite about it, I don't know). But I see your name has been changed, so that's a good start.

  -P-

Feb 05 06 03:17 pm Link

Model

leila

Posts: 209

but to be honest i dont think that picture is sexual in the slightest..pose, facial expression..nothing...ok its skimpy but no mroe than a bikini

Feb 05 06 03:17 pm Link

Photographer

StMarc

Posts: 2959

Chicago, Illinois, US

leila wrote:
but to be honest i dont think that picture is sexual in the slightest..pose, facial expression..nothing

I am assuming you are replying to my comment on your pic with the panties.

It does not matter what you think about it.

All that matters is what other people think about it. And a moment's thought will tell you that what a great many people will think about it is, "She's posing in a bra and lace panties. Therefore, maybe she will pose in a bra and lace panties for me. And then maybe I can get her to lose *those.*"

While of course this chain of logic can be taken to extremes - "If she'll pose in a parka and snomobile suit, maybe she'll pose without them" - which rob it of much of its persuasiveness, I hope you'll agree that the leap is not a large one.

I personally disagree with your thought anyway - to me it's a somewhat tepid glamour picture. What else could it be?

M

Feb 05 06 03:21 pm Link

Photographer

Pat Thielen

Posts: 16800

Hastings, Minnesota, US

StMarc wrote:

Not to mention pose in stretch-lace panties. And you wonder why you're getting offers like that?

You are very cute but your portfolio is basically saying, "I can be talked into posing inappropriately for my age." So people are trying to do that. Doesn't make them right, but it does explain a few things.

M

I don't agree with this; I don't think her port has that feel at all. It's all very casual and not at all provocative. But I do agree that just because a model may be dressed alluringly it doesn't make it right to expect them to do more, so to speak. No means no, and that should be enough.

  -P-

Feb 05 06 03:21 pm Link

Photographer

Paul Pardue Photography

Posts: 5459

Oakland, California, US

I'd shoot you anyway you asked, but alas you are a bit out of the range of my lens...  I might need a telephoto for that.

You are a lovely girl, keep on and you will will get those worth shooting with.

Paul

Feb 05 06 03:27 pm Link

Model

leila

Posts: 209

if they think because i pose in a bra i will take it off then there stupid? if i pose in a bra and knickers that means i'll pose in a bra and knickers end of...theres a big difference between nakey and innocently showing a bit of flesh ones legal ones not

Feb 05 06 03:32 pm Link

Photographer

Saybian Tv

Posts: 14

Vancouver, Washington, US

Do whats best for you, you will loose out on working with people who've reached a point where the've decided what kind of work they want to create.  But at the end of the day unless your really free intellectualy, or they're really good an integrity isn't even a question. Itle prolly come back to haunt you. 

    As for the nudity at 16, I would get over it, I dont even know anyone in the fashion industry whos over 18 and isn't a veteran. But thats fashion and thats mostly europe. Strange strange weird things go on in europia, they like to draw grey all over where was once black and white.   

   Im only interested in shooting erotic work these days, not cuzz im board, simply because its where my gift is. Fashion work bores my brains out, its hard explaining that to most ppl, thats why I started posing to shut up all the Haters.

Feb 05 06 03:33 pm Link

Photographer

Glamour Boulevard

Posts: 8628

Sacramento, California, US

glenn usdin wrote:
people are confusing age of consent (sex) and age of shooting.

Finally someone points this out for the first time in a long time. I pointed it out months ago in a thread and it seemed no one got it,lol. And in Utah, as of a couple years ago or so, theyactually passed a law that there is no minimum age limit on nudity when it comes to art.Not sure if it has been overturned or not. This was covered once on CNN when it was passed.

Feb 05 06 03:35 pm Link

Photographer

studio36uk

Posts: 22898

Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna

leila wrote:
maybe not considered an adult but im not a child lol
had this conversation many times in ''sexy at sixteen''

You are right, of course, for the UK where you live It legal to have sex at 16 with anybody and any age you like and a lot of other things... you can leave school at 16; some parents are even known to let their 16 y.o. go off on holiday alone as well. Others when their offspring reach 16 just kick them out to live on the streets. Until just last year it was common to see topless pix of 16 and 17 y.o.'s in the newspaper on Page 3. The law allows that too.  Problem with photography, however, is not the nudity but that you can't sign contracts at 16 or 17 so you can't sign a release.

Topless wouldn't be a problem at all. As for full nudes... not really a problem as long as they don't go to indecent. Nude on a beach or other suitable setting, or art nudes, might be OK in a UK context. I would have more problems shooting you in lingerie.

You have to understand that in the US where most of the folks on this board live they consider you a "child" and won't change that opinion either. Hell some parents there in the US think their sprogs are still children until they finish Uni at 22 or 23.

Studio36UK

Feb 05 06 03:46 pm Link

Photographer

studio36uk

Posts: 22898

Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna

leila wrote:
glenn it used to be 16 in the UK to do topless and i think nude but the law changed a couple years back to 18

Not exactly - contact me off list and I will tell you exactly what did change and what didn't. 18 is not an absolute age line in UK law for doing nudes.

If nothing else you will then know what is right, and wrong, with an offer that a photographer may make.

Studio36UK

Feb 05 06 03:57 pm Link

Model

leila

Posts: 209

well its probably just harder for them to see 16 year olds like that...living in the UK 16 year olds being treated like adults is all around me

see im going abroad on holiday this summer and im 16 smile

Feb 05 06 03:57 pm Link

Photographer

Bob4friends

Posts: 207

Marietta, Georgia, US

Carlos Arturo Velarde wrote:
Get rid of the "x" bracketing your name. A lot of exotic dancers use them and the guys who work with them will key on that to request nude/erotic work from a model they don't know.

And get rid of the picture with you in the mini.....hum, skirt ?? That black thingy....and the pic where your g-string is showing. You invite people to want to shoot you that way if thats what your advertising. And remember that Brooke Shields did semi-nudes at 13 in Blue Lagoon, so all you "Police Squad" fanatics, ease up ! Because its nude DOES NOT MEAN ITS PORN !!! Sheeeesh !

Feb 05 06 04:09 pm Link

Model

leila

Posts: 209

ive got rid of the x's lol but my g-string is sticking out in most pics..that was an accident

Feb 05 06 04:11 pm Link

Photographer

Glamour Boulevard

Posts: 8628

Sacramento, California, US

leila wrote:
ive got rid of the x's lol but my g-string is sticking out in most pics..that was an accident

No one would have known it was a g string until you mentioned it, really. But, having the panty line out like that just seems to be in style these days. I wouldn`t worry about a simple thing like that attracting pervs.

Feb 05 06 06:02 pm Link

Model

Maggie Shirk

Posts: 92

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

I find it sad that you are expected to be and treated like an adult at such a young age.  Very interesting the cultural differences.

Feb 05 06 06:06 pm Link

Photographer

Glamour Boulevard

Posts: 8628

Sacramento, California, US

Maggie Shirk wrote:
I find it sad that you are expected to be and treated like an adult at such a young age.  Very interesting the cultural differences.

So in modeling treating them like an adult is bad, but if they kill someone, vandalize someones home,etc, its perfectly fine to try them as an adult?

But on a lighter note. I saw your reply about your 16 year old daughter. I saw your avatar and have to say I honestly thought" why is her mom speakin for her?". Then I realized you are the one in the avatar. You have good genes I guess,lol.

Feb 05 06 06:14 pm Link

Photographer

PierJes

Posts: 98

Quebec, Quebec, Canada

nathan combs wrote:
people wont to photo you nude EEEEEWWWWW your 16 that is nasty

In the UK, I think it is legal to shoot a 16 y.o. topless.

But still...  I wouldn't.

Feb 05 06 06:17 pm Link

Photographer

BlindMike

Posts: 9594

San Francisco, California, US

It's because you have boobies and men like seeing them. If it bothers you then ignore the nude requests.

Feb 05 06 06:20 pm Link

Photographer

Glamour Boulevard

Posts: 8628

Sacramento, California, US

Bob4friends wrote:
And remember that Brooke Shields did semi-nudes at 13 in Blue Lagoon,

as well as full nudes for a PB photographer, the prints were also sold in magazines.

Feb 05 06 06:21 pm Link

Photographer

Craig Thomson

Posts: 13462

Tacoma, Washington, US

VirtuaMike wrote:
It's because you have boobies and men like seeing them. If it bothers you then ignore the nude requests.

Not all men, I would rather shoot a clothed model any day of the week.

If she's getting request to do porn on a site like this, I would recommend she contact a mod.

Feb 05 06 06:25 pm Link

Model

Sabina N

Posts: 318

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Craig Thomson wrote:
Not all men, I would rather shoot a clothed model any day of the week.

This isn't quite relevant to the original topic, but - thank you, Craig - thank you! I know many others feel this way, but it's easily forgotten around here sometimes :-P There certainly is skill and art involved in shooting the human form with all its nooks and crevaces... but the challenge of evoking intrigue beyond simple "boobies" is also a worthy one.

Yep, thinking about how to get myself down to Seattle one of these weekends or so... in fact, I think I'll send you a message about it right now.

*

Legalities aside... an idea for getting more clothed offers in general, no matter what your age, include saying so with the bold letters (HTML really is eye-catching) at the top of your page - as discussed in another recent thread, many people don't read, rather, they judge based on what they see... or even on what they would like to see. Not everyone takes the time to read through all the information on a model's page, so you really gotta be clear, very quickly, about what you want ;-)

Sonntag

Feb 05 06 06:47 pm Link

Photographer

nathan combs

Posts: 3687

Waynesboro, Virginia, US

Pierre Jessop wrote:

In the UK, I think it is legal to shoot a 16 y.o. topless.

But still...  I wouldn't.

neither would i i would have a big problem photoing a 16 year old in a 2 peace bathing soot i know i know but i can not get my head around 16 year old kid naked or in sexy undies it just turns my stomake

Feb 05 06 06:47 pm Link

Photographer

Pat Thielen

Posts: 16800

Hastings, Minnesota, US

Is there any reason you haven't updated your bio to say something like "No nude or porn offers will be considered."? Put in bold letters and let people know this type of photography isn't something you do or are interested in.

  -P-

Feb 05 06 10:14 pm Link

Photographer

Richard Tallent

Posts: 7136

Beaumont, Texas, US

I'd love to shoot you, even in a parka. Let me know next time you are in Beaumont, Texas! wink

Feb 05 06 11:43 pm Link

Model

Jeri Lynn Astra

Posts: 240

Pleasantville, New York, US

It is really frustrating when those are the only offers you seem to be getting. Just delete and/or report them and move on.

Feb 06 06 12:38 am Link

Photographer

Torrence Williams

Posts: 247

Dallas, Texas, US

Well. Anyone that wishes to do this needs to be reported for harassment. You are "under-age". This just isn't right.  Perhaps you should put I am "SIXTEEN YEARS OLD" in all caps with aterisks araond it, with 3 Blank lines above it and below it, so it sticks out on your profile.

Feb 06 06 12:46 am Link

Photographer

Halcyon 7174 NYC

Posts: 20109

New York, New York, US

Maybe it's a typo. Maybe they meant to say, "I want to shoot you, n00b!" Meaning they want to play Quake or something.

Feb 06 06 12:51 am Link

Model

Kizzy

Posts: 12249

Tulsa, Oklahoma, US

I have had lots of photographers contact me and not one has ever suggested that I pose nude or even with lingerie on.  I am sure it is because my bio is short and to the point about nudity.

Feb 06 06 01:15 am Link