Model
Chloe Kirk
Posts: 59
London, England, United Kingdom
Sinful Desires wrote:
I got one that said "talk to me when you're 20"
I drove 15 miles for the shoot and he said I forgot to ask how old you are (he found me on here!) I said "exactly what my profile says 18." and showed him my ID and he said to talk to him when I'm 20. geez thats bad
people need to get over this age restriction thing completely
Photographer
HSV Shooter
Posts: 645
Huntsville, Alabama, US
If you are under 18 in the US you generally can't enter into a contract on your own. I think that has a lot to do with people not working with models under 18.
Photographer
Sergei Pyuro
Posts: 193
Los Angeles, California, US
The deal is that I, as a photographer have to deal with like 3 people your mom, your dad and you. Work around 4 dchedules......
Model
Sebastian Spades
Posts: 357
Enumclaw, Washington, US
Chloe Kirk wrote:
geez thats bad
people need to get over this age restriction thing completely Luckily I don't have to deal with it anymore but I have friends that are almost 18 and right now well schools out now but it was so hard for them to find someone for their senior pictures! I offered a couple photographers I knew that I knew would do it but the schedules didn't mix or something. It's just awful! I took my best friends pictures for her because she couldn't find anyone!
Model
Sebastian Spades
Posts: 357
Enumclaw, Washington, US
White Russian wrote:
The deal is that I, as a photographer have to deal with like 3 people your mom, your dad and you. Work around 4 dchedules...... do you require both parentals to be present, just one, or just a signature. People asked my mom to be present which is fine but my dads schedule never came up. Just curious about the 4 schedules.
Photographer
Emeritus
Posts: 22000
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
I know better than to get too deeply into this thread, because I know for a certainty which directions it will go, and how it will end up. They always do.
That said . . . just one comment:
You don't need a contract to do a photo shoot. Consequently, need for the ability to enter into a contract is not an issue in doing a shoot.
You may need someone legally competent to contract in order to make certain uses of the pictures, but that's an entirely different matter.
Photographer
Grime and Glamour
Posts: 1406
Newcastle upon Tyne, England, United Kingdom
Valeria Figallo wrote:
most starting models are 16 or 17 sometimes even younger, i dont know why everyone thinks its SO ILLEGAL to shoot a minor, in fact agencies prefer underage models now.
only a perv would think shooting a minor its trouble and illegal, of course, you cant shoot a minor totally nude, but a "shooting" can be fashion, beauty,etc etc etc... I did a shoot today with a 14yr old girl.Her mam held my reflector for me and also kept an eye on my tempramental flash.
It was fun and we got some pics that the model,her mam,dad,brother ,and myself were all pleased with!
:-)
Chris.
Photographer
Amedeus
Posts: 1873
Stockton, California, US
Soo much misinformation again ... TX is right about the contract ... any minor can have their pics taken (senior pics anyone ...)
What you do with the pics and the content you shoot is an entirely different matter ... I have multiple minors in my port and no ... I didn't get sued over shooting them ... lol
YMMV,
Rudi.
Photographer
Jerry Rybansky
Posts: 981
Bayonne, New Jersey, US
don't do any shoot under 18 !!!
Photographer
HSV Shooter
Posts: 645
Huntsville, Alabama, US
TXPhotog wrote:
I know better than to get too deeply into this thread, because I know for a certainty which directions it will go, and how it will end up. They always do.
That said . . . just one comment:
You don't need a contract to do a photo shoot. Consequently, need for the ability to enter into a contract is not an issue in doing a shoot.
You may need someone legally competent to contract in order to make certain uses of the pictures, but that's an entirely different matter. If someone is providing a service to you for compensation what would you call it?
Photographer
xaveir
Posts: 2106
Atlanta, Georgia, US
10 of the twenty models on my page are 17.
Photographer
Emeritus
Posts: 22000
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Whatagy wrote:
If someone is providing a service to you for compensation what would you call it? A sale.
If you were to walk into the store and purchase some toothpaste, and pay for it, do you need a contract? Can someone under 18 do it legally?
But a photo shoot need not involve "a sale" either.
Photographer
Amedeus
Posts: 1873
Stockton, California, US
Jerry Rybansky wrote:
don't do any shoot under 18 !!! LOL ... don't take pics of your kids or grandkids either ... lol ...
j/k ... I did see your port ... love it !
Photographer
HSV Shooter
Posts: 645
Huntsville, Alabama, US
TXPhotog wrote:
A sale.
If you were to walk into the store and purchase some toothpaste, and pay for it, do you need a contract? Can someone under 18 do it legally?
But a photo shoot need not involve "a sale" either. That would be purchase of a good, right?
Photographer
Emeritus
Posts: 22000
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Whatagy wrote:
That would be purchase of a good, right? So what?
Can a person who is under 18 sit in a shoeshine stand, have his shoes shined, and pay for it? Is that legal? Or do you need a lawyer present?
Photographer
Jerry Rybansky
Posts: 981
Bayonne, New Jersey, US
Amedeus wrote:
LOL ... don't take pics of your kids or grandkids either ... lol ...
j/k ... I did see your port ... love it ! bud family is differed least my the don't sue you later :-)
Photographer
HSV Shooter
Posts: 645
Huntsville, Alabama, US
TXPhotog wrote:
So what?
Can a person who is under 18 sit in a shoeshine stand, have his shoes shined, and pay for it? Is that legal? Or do you need a lawyer present? Can a 17 yo buy a car? Nope
Can a 17 yo buy a house? nope
Can a 17 yo contract with a lawn-care service? nope
Photographer
Amedeus
Posts: 1873
Stockton, California, US
Whatagy wrote:
Can a 17 yo buy a car? Nope
Can a 17 yo buy a house? nope
Can a 17 yo contract with a lawn-care service? nope Yes on all three questions ... as long as the 17 year old pays there's nothing wrong ... the contract may not be legally binding but the seller can wave it at his risk.
Photographer
NewBoldPhoto
Posts: 5216
PORT MURRAY, New Jersey, US
Whatagy wrote:
Can a 17 yo buy a car? Nope
Can a 17 yo buy a house? nope
Can a 17 yo contract with a lawn-care service? nope What is your point?
Photographer
Emeritus
Posts: 22000
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Whatagy wrote:
Can a 17 yo buy a car? Nope
Can a 17 yo buy a house? nope
Can a 17 yo contract with a lawn-care service? nope Again, so what? Which of those are required to do a photo shoot?
The reason a 17 year old cannot do those things is because they have a limited right to contract in their own names. (By the way, they can legally do some of them, but the rights of the seller to enforce the contract are limited.)
However, let me restate my point, which you seem to have missed:
You don't need a contract to do a photo shoot. Consequently, need for the ability to enter into a contract is not an issue in doing a shoot.
Photographer
Emeritus
Posts: 22000
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Amedeus wrote:
Yes on all three questions ... as long as the 17 year old pays there's nothing wrong ... the contract may not be legally binding but the seller can wave it at his risk. Bingo! Someone who understands.
Photographer
HSV Shooter
Posts: 645
Huntsville, Alabama, US
Amedeus wrote:
Yes on all three questions ... as long as the 17 year old pays there's nothing wrong ... the contract may not be legally binding but the seller can wave it at his risk. Their legal guardian would probably have recourse against the seller.
In any case it's always up to the parties involved. Just because you choose to do something does not make it legal.
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/a … tract.html
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Emeritus
Posts: 22000
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Whatagy wrote:
Their legal guardian would probably have recourse against the seller.
In any case it's always up to the parties involved. Just because you choose to do something does not make it legal.
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/a … tract.html Unless this just became legalpitfallsofsellinghousestominors.com you are completely off topic.
Photographer
HSV Shooter
Posts: 645
Huntsville, Alabama, US
TXPhotog wrote:
Whatagy wrote:
Can a 17 yo buy a car? Nope
Can a 17 yo buy a house? nope
Can a 17 yo contract with a lawn-care service? nope Again, so what? Which of those are required to do a photo shoot?
The reason a 17 year old cannot do those things is because they have a limited right to contract in their own names. (By the way, they can legally do some of them, but the rights of the seller to enforce the contract are limited.)
However, let me restate my point, which you seem to have missed:
If you shoot a minor without parental consent that's your choice. I think most people would not do it out of fear of recourse by their guardian.
Photographer
Emeritus
Posts: 22000
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Whatagy wrote:
If you shoot a minor without parental consent that's your choice. I think most people would not do it out of fear of recourse by their guardian. Please go back and read what I originally wrote. You have managed to turn it into the usual paranoid response that we get in these kinds of threads, and nothing I said warranted that.
Photographer
NewBoldPhoto
Posts: 5216
PORT MURRAY, New Jersey, US
Whatagy wrote:
Their legal guardian would probably have recourse against the seller.
In any case it's always up to the parties involved. Just because you choose to do something does not make it legal.
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/a … tract.html Now... I'm really confused.
From the linked web page:
Sports or Entertainment Contracts
Generally speaking, minors who enter into sports or entertainment contracts are held to them, and cannot void them at will.
Photographer
Amedeus
Posts: 1873
Stockton, California, US
Whatagy wrote:
Their legal guardian would probably have recourse against the seller.
In any case it's always up to the parties involved. Just because you choose to do something does not make it legal.
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/a … tract.html Sorry, you lost me ... it is not illegal to sell to a minor nor is it illegal for a minor to buy goods or sign a contract. The rights are different and the seller does it at his own peril ... please read and understand the link you provided in your post
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SunArcher Photography
Posts: 7669
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Amedeus wrote:
... please read and understand the link you provided in your post Wait, we actually have to understand the stuff that we post now?! When the hell did THAT change here?! 
Photographer
HSV Shooter
Posts: 645
Huntsville, Alabama, US
Amedeus wrote:
Sorry, you lost me ... it is not illegal to sell to a minor nor is it illegal for a minor to buy goods or sign a contract. The rights are different and the seller does it at his own peril ... please read and understand the link you provided in your post You should also understand the rights of a minor's legal guardian.
Photographer
NewBoldPhoto
Posts: 5216
PORT MURRAY, New Jersey, US
SunArcher Photography wrote:
Wait, we actually have to understand the stuff that we post now?! When the hell did THAT change here?! Day before yesterday...Didn't you get the memo?
Photographer
HSV Shooter
Posts: 645
Huntsville, Alabama, US
Savvy_1007 wrote:
Some models start off as babies. No problem with parental consent
Photographer
Emeritus
Posts: 22000
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Whatagy wrote:
You should also understand the rights of a minor's legal guardian. I do. I hear them all the time. They start off with, "You have the right to remain silent", which I would earnestly urge upon you at this point before you make yourself look even worse than you already do.
Photographer
Tropical Photography
Posts: 35564
Sarasota, Florida, US
Valeria Figallo wrote:
most starting models are 16 or 17 sometimes even younger, i dont know why everyone thinks its SO ILLEGAL to shoot a minor, in fact agencies prefer underage models now.
only a perv would think shooting a minor its trouble and illegal, of course, you cant shoot a minor totally nude, but a "shooting" can be fashion, beauty,etc etc etc... As has been alluded to, it's the paranoia of the Religious right.. For whatever reason they seem to be afraid of the human body in it's most elegant form. And yet, some of the most beautiful artwork through the ages were nudes or partial nudes with religious overtones.. Kinda makes you wonder if some have regressed rather then advanced through the years.
For me, I have no issue shooting minors. In fact, I shot a 14 year old last week. We were alone even.. We've known each other for about a year and I've known her sister for 2 1/2 years.. Her mother point blank said I trust you.
For those that are afraid to shoot minors, I think it is impart because a segment of our society thinks it's immoral, and because they really don't understand the laws.. I mean, there are MANY photographers that photograph high school seniors with NO problems..
And I would photograph you in a heartbeat!! 
Photographer
LongWindFPV Visuals
Posts: 7052
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Valeria Figallo wrote:
most starting models are 16 or 17 sometimes even younger, i dont know why everyone thinks its SO ILLEGAL to shoot a minor, in fact agencies prefer underage models now.
only a perv would think shooting a minor its trouble and illegal, of course, you cant shoot a minor totally nude, but a "shooting" can be fashion, beauty,etc etc etc... Teens are sending nude photos via cell phone
Why would kids nowadays wanna shoot fashion with us pervy photographers?
Photographer
Bruce Talbot
Posts: 3850
Los Angeles, California, US
TXPhotog wrote:
I do. I hear them all the time. They start off with, "You have the right to remain silent", which I would earnestly urge upon you at this point before you make yourself look even worse than you already do. Co-signed with TX's pen.
bt
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SunArcher Photography
Posts: 7669
Washington, District of Columbia, US
SunArcher Photography wrote:
Wait, we actually have to understand the stuff that we post now?! When the hell did THAT change here?! NewBoldPhoto wrote:
Day before yesterday...Didn't you get the memo? Nope. All I saw was a notice of a World of Warcraft MM guild. Meh...TX never calls me for the important shit.
To keep it on topic, it's only trouble if you let it get to that point. I've seen some 17-year-olds who can give "adults" a run for their money in both the modeling and the maturity department.
Model
taylee belle
Posts: 62
Corona, California, US
Honestly it all depends on the model you work with,some 17 year olds are trouble,some not so much. 
Photographer
Emeritus
Posts: 22000
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
taylee belle wrote:
Honestly it all depends on the model you work with,some 17 year olds are trouble,some not so much. Take out the words "17 year olds" from that sentence. Is it still true? I thought so.
Photographer
Bruce Talbot
Posts: 3850
Los Angeles, California, US
I'd wager the OP has noted trouble really starts when the '18plusers' congregate.
bt
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