The Port City Prince wrote:

Perhaps they're thinking the EXACT same things about you.

*runs to the Critique forum...nope, nothing from the OP*

I dont bullshit...im straight up, thats why this is posted!!!

Paul Begley Photography wrote:
Man dat be some jive talkin muddafukka.....git heea on ma lap bitch an ama gunna get me some sawcy piktchas...ana don ask me fo no muny aw ama gunna slap ya upside da head...yeahbitchdatsright.

I need an interpreter.

E One wrote:

Because they bull shit and think their the shit!! Try again
!

So the answer can't possibly be because they don't want to work with you?!

E One wrote:

Because they bull shit and think their the shit!! Try again
!

You really like that word don't you?

If you think "because they don't want to work with you" isn't straight up enough for you, the issue really isn't with the models honesty, but rather your grasp of the english language.

LaLa wrote:
So the answer can't possibly be because they don't want to work with you?!

Of course not.  Everyone wants to work with the OP.  Don't you?

E One wrote:

Because they bull shit and think their the shit!! Try again
!

Are you saying I'm wrong and they do want to work with you???

Rachel Jay wrote:

So you'd rather hear:

"Sorry, your work blows and your attitude sucks.  I wouldn't work with you if you paid me $1000 an hour."

Than:

"Thanks for the interest, but I'm not looking to shoot the style you have in your portfolio right now."

honesty is the best policy...which is why this country is in the predicament it's in right now..mucho dishonesty. Models should be honest and say, "no, I'm not interested in working with you, but thanks anyway," rather than insult someone's intelligence with some cocakmamey story. Do you think a photographer's ego is so fragile you can't say "no" politely?

Rachel Jay wrote:

So you'd rather hear:

"Sorry, your work blows and your attitude sucks.  I wouldn't work with you if you paid me $1000 an hour."

Than:

"Thanks for the interest, but I'm not looking to shoot the style you have in your portfolio right now."

that's what I want to hear, but hearing this, Im only doing paid assignments and you know every photographer they work with doesnt pay them, that pisses me the fuck off,

instead say something logical!

E One wrote:
that's what I want to hear, but hearing this, Im only doing paid assignments and you know every photographer they work with doesnt pay them, that pisses me the fuck off,

instead say something logical!

How do you know every photographer they work with isn't paying them?

E One wrote:
be freakin honest, dont bullshit, dont copout ant shit, be straight up!

If you post in the Critique Section YOU WILL GET AN HONEST NO BULLSHIT ANSWER

pullins photography wrote:
Models should be honest and say, "no, I'm not interested in working with you, but thanks anyway," rather than insult someone's intelligence with some cocakmamey story. Do you think a photographer's ego is so fragile you can't say "no" politely?

As far as MM is concerned, there's enough photographers with hair-trigger egos and sensitivity to where it's necessary for a model to do exactly what Rachel suggested.

And I don't blame them. Kill 'em with kindness and professionalism. When you stoop to their level, you begin to smell like them.

Rachel Jay wrote:

Of course not.  Everyone wants to work with the OP.  Don't you?

Has he won the Powerball?

E One wrote:

that's what I want to hear, but hearing this, Im only doing paid assignments and you know every photographer they work with doesnt pay them, that pisses me the fuck off,

instead say something logical!

How do you know the past photographers haven't paid them?????
Is there some model mayhem lie detector test I don't know about???

Elizabeth Claret wrote:
Bitter much? So ignore the model who's giving you a line of crap, and find one of the better more experienced models and pay them. Somethings are only learned the hard way.

If someone is not bitter already, all it can take is a few flakes to get them there.

pullins photography wrote:

honesty is the best policy...which is why this country is in the predicament it's in right now..mucho dishonesty. Models should be honest and say, "no, I'm not interested in working with you, but thanks anyway," rather than insult someone's intelligence with some cocakmamey story. Do you think a photographer's ego is so fragile you can't say "no" politely?

It's an even bigger problem when someone is told the truth and the person hearing it is so delusional that they think there must be a problem with that person.

Of course, the problem always exists with others. Wait, I'm sorry. Let me rephrase that...

"This world is shit cuz the bullshitters don't think they're bullshittin but that they're always being bullshittin'd upon."

The Port City Prince wrote:
There's enough photographers with hair-trigger egos and sensitivity to where it's necessary for a model to do exactly what Rachel suggested.

And I don't blame them. Kill 'em with kindness and professionalism. When you stoop to their level, you begin to smell like them.

Thanks.  And I agree.  And sometimes, even when you let someone down politely and professionally you get called names or worse :sigh:

LaLa wrote:
Has he won the Powerball?

I like you

E One wrote:
that's what I want to hear, but hearing this, Im only doing paid assignments and you know every photographer they work with doesnt pay them, that pisses me the fuck off,

instead say something logical!

Rachel Jay wrote:
How do you know every photographer they work with isn't paying them?

QFT.

My portfolio says I'm only doing paid assignments. I could be getting paid in my rates or- gas money, wardrobe, etc.

And yes, I do do trades with exceptional people. However, everyone has a tendency to think they're exceptional. Therefore, I put, "Paid only" in my profile.

E One wrote:
that's what I want to hear, but hearing this, Im only doing paid assignments and you know every photographer they work with doesnt pay them, that pisses me the fuck off,

instead say something logical!

The logic is that THOSE photographers are perceived as BETTER than you by those models.

Still having trouble?

Rachel Jay wrote:

I like you

E One wrote:
I have seen models who I emailed, and say there not shooting, but when you see them on someone elses page they like lets shoot agains sometime. Then you'll email them, they want to shot you a line of shit, as if they think there smart enough to know they haven't bullshitted anyone, knowing there just hurting themselves. Then they  are only doing  paid assignments but dont have much experience, maybe a in 1 or 2 publications and say I want to be paid. There are many more models who are much more experienced then you who deserve to be paid!!

Perhaps the models don't think your work is yet to the level that will enhance their portfolios. Perhaps they are put off by the language you use. Perhaps they wonder why the only samples you have are snapshots of big beauties. Perhaps your vicious tone and profanity frighten and repel them. Based on your language, they might even consider you less then genteel.

Michael Pandolfo wrote:

It's an even bigger problem when someone is told the truth and the person hearing it is so delusional that they think there must be a problem with that person.

Of course, the problem always exists with others. Wait, I'm sorry. Let me rephrase that...

"This world is shit cuz the bullshitters don't think they're bullshittin but that they're always being bullshittin'd upon."

if the models tell him that they're not interested, then the photog is screwed up if he can't face reality.. Problem is, how many "models" are honest enough to say no initially, but when it's shoot time, they back out with the lamest of excuses?
Oh and if anyone thinks backing out has to do with the quality of work, I know of way too many photogs here in MI who are tops in their field who have had cancellations with the most insipid of excuses.

LaLa wrote:
However, everyone has a tendency to think they're exceptional.

Are you bullshittin' me?

ImagesRetouched wrote:
Tangent:
They're = they are (contraction). ex: They're cute little bunnies.
There = a location. ex: Go over there.
Their = possessive. ex: That is their couch.

You're kidding right? Let's work on how to spell "bullshit" before we get into proper grammar lol.

Rachel Jay wrote:

Are you bullshittin' me?

F Stop Photography wrote:
damn...where's that thread so frequently posted regarding Forum Suicide when I need it? Grrrrrrrr c'mon, anyone have that link for our friend J J?

Pat must be busy today, so here it is:

PYPI FASHION wrote:
Welcome to Model Mayhem.
Some useful links to avoid Forum suicide:

Forum Rules
How to contact a moderator
Frequently asked questions
My quick advice to new models
More comprehensive advice for new models

Top ten newbie mistakes:

10. Spamming the forum with request for work or vote for me threads.
9. Cross posting the same post into multiple forums.
8. Not searching the forums before asking.
7. Assuming you will change established norms because you think you're special.
6. Embedding NSFW images in the forum or using one as an avatar.
5. Asking if this is a scam or posting warnings about scams. It's already been posted.
4. Submitting a post thinking you can delete a thread or the original post.
3. Posting without lurking to see the lay of the land.
2. Not taking advice when you have been clearly proven wrong.
1. Posting a rant of any kind and doing it in ALL CAPS.

Bonus: Posting a rant talking shit about someone thinking you will get everyone's support. .

pullins photography wrote:
if the models tell him that they're not interested, then the photog is screwed up if he can't face reality.. Problem is, how many "models" are honest enough to say no initially, but when it's shoot time, they back out with the lamest of excuses?
Oh and if anyone thinks backing out has to do with the quality of work, I know of way too many photogs here in MI who are tops in their field who have had cancellations with the most insipid of excuses.

But wouldn't they first have to agree to the concept of wanting to work with the photographer to ever qualify as a flake?

Michael Pandolfo wrote:

But wouldn't they first have to agree to the concept of wanting to work with the photographer to ever qualify as a flake?

do you mean they are flakes for agreeing to work with the photography initially?

LaLa wrote:

Nope. Maybe someone was trying to be polite.

In all fairness to both sides, yes I've been through this. No, I don't go off the deep end about it. Yes it burns me, especially when the person they shot with doesn't produce good work, or every shoot that they do looks exactly alike. It pisses me off, but everyone has the right to choose for themselves. Some people like garbage. How else could people like Lil' Wayne eat? What I do take exception to is the way many models & photographers alike claim that a model that does this is trying to be nice. How insane! Repeatedly lying to someone = trying to be nice? Since when? Lying is one of the worst things possible. It's a way out for people that don't have the courage or decency to tell the truth or be real. I'd much rather hear "I don't really like your style, sorry" or "I don't think your quality/concepts are quite up to par." Those are NICE ways to let someone down. Lying is childish bs.

Michael Pandolfo wrote:
Problem is, how many "models" are honest enough to say no initially, but when it's shoot time, they back out with the lamest of excuses?
Oh and if anyone thinks backing out has to do with the quality of work, I know of way too many photogs here in MI who are tops in their field who have had cancellations with the most insipid of excuses.

I say no ahead of time and always have 'cause that's just how I roll! Dig...

YZE Photography wrote:

In all fairness to both sides, yes I've been through this. No, I don't go off the deep end about it. Yes it burns me, especially when the person they shot with doesn't produce good work, or every shoot that they do looks exactly alike. It pisses me off, but everyone has the right to choose for themselves. Some people like garbage. How else could people like Lil' Wayne eat? What I do take exception to is the way many models & photographers alike claim that a model that does this is trying to be nice. How insane! Repeatedly lying to someone = trying to be nice? Since when? Lying is one of the worst things possible. It's a way out for people that don't have the courage or decency to tell the truth or be real. I'd much rather hear "I don't really like your style, sorry" or "I don't think your quality/concepts are quite up to par." Those are NICE ways to let someone down. Lying is childish bs.

that's what I was saying...I cannot believe that people believe that a lie is better than the truth