Stann Hoyle wrote:

For a private photo session, the rules of etiquette depend on what makes the model feel comfortable.  For an art class, we must be concerned with what is comfortable for the instructor, the students, the school administration, and yes for the model too.

Agreed... It definately is a professional image to be robed when not posing.
For me, It gets awkward that some models wait till I'm in the studio to get undressed... I, Myself, feel more comfortable when they use a robe than just stand around naked doing nothing (but that's me).

Stann Hoyle wrote:

You seem like a fun person to be with; you have a healthy sense of humor.

I try to be

Stann Hoyle wrote:

I try not to use the word "escort" which can be misinturpreted.  I prefer to use the word" chaperone.  When I chaperone a model, I'm there to make her feel comfortable working with a new client and to make sure the new client is completely legitamate.  I don't charge a fee for this, since most of the models help me by posing for my projects; so all the money recieved goes directly to the model.  I also pay the models a small amount when they assist me on other photography jobs such as weddings.  Some of the models also want to learn how to be photographers.  I even give them free PhotoShop lessons.  I only do this in the Chicagoland, IL area.

That sounds suspiciously like a "model manager" to me.

Most of us prefer to do business directly with an adult model and will not allow another photographer to be involved.

Lumigraphics wrote:

That sounds suspiciously like a "model manager" to me.

Most of us prefer to do business directly with an adult model and will not allow another photographer to be involved.

dont start... its bad enough we're saying models that are comfortable enough to stay naked instead of covering up in between every set are unprofessional... this doesnt need to go any FURTHER downhill, please.

Laura UnBound wrote:
dont start... its bad enough we're saying models that are comfortable enough to stay naked instead of covering up in between every set are unprofessional... this doesnt need to go any FURTHER downhill, please.

Apparently nude models are supposed to be uncomfortable when nude. I guess, because the artist is uncomfortable seeing the nude model nude. Maybe some folks should get a new job or hobby. One they're comfortable with.

I've never noticed this problem, but maybe I don't know anything. I often think so, after reading this forum.

Laura UnBound wrote:
dont start... its bad enough we're saying models that are comfortable enough to stay naked instead of covering up in between every set are unprofessional... this doesnt need to go any FURTHER downhill, please.

Thanks Laura,
I donate my time and talents to helping models get started in their careers.  I don't take a penny from the models.  I give them free photos and try to help in other ways.  I make my money buy doing other types of photography.  I have worked with some famous people; I don't need to take money from models who are concerned about how they will pay next month's rent.

Stann Hoyle wrote:

Thanks Laura,
I donate my time and talents to helping models get started in their careers.  I don't take a penny from the models.  I give them free photos and try to help in other ways.  I make my money buy doing other types of photography.  I have worked with some famous people; I don't need to take money from models who are concerned about how they will pay next month's rent.

You sound like a really, really, really amazing person. Really.

Stann Hoyle wrote:
Some of the models I work with are just getting started posing for art classes where the students sketch them with charcoal on paper.  Some of the models tell me they always bring a robe just in case the instructor has a rule that they must wear something while the instructor is lecturing.  Some models just slip on some regular clothes when they are not posing.  I would like to hear from some models who pose nude for art classes, so I can pass on those little tips that make a figure model come accross as a serious professional.  Do you think a professional attitude helps you get more gigs or better pay?

I recently started modeling for art groups.  The less-formal ones don't really care about covering up.  However, the groups of instructors and students appreciate it. 

I always bring a robe with me to wear on my "breaks".  I think that's part of being professional.  Even with the less-formal groups.  They joke on me sometimes because of it, but I think it's just protecting myself as a model...  I guess.  It doesn't get me better pay or more gigs (as some models don't bother with robes)...  But more respect, maybe.  I think showing up on time and staying still as possible are better for getting more gigs .

MorbidMeli wrote:
It doesn't get me better pay or more gigs (as some models don't bother with robes)...  But more respect, maybe.

Who do you think would respect you more for it and why?

Cuica Cafezinho wrote:

Who do you think would respect you more for it and why?

Well, an instructor mentioned something to me about how he appreciated that I covered up.

There was one session where I was needed at the last minute and didn't have time to get a robe.  I put my dress back on between poses, though.  He said he liked that versus "models who walk around, letting it all hang out".

So, that was the impression I got.

The instructors seem to appreciate and the students seem indifferent.

Cuica Cafezinho wrote:
You sound like a really, really, really amazing person. Really.

And how kind to have started this thread too

That's what I call dedication....

Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Stann Hoyle wrote:
Some of the models I work with are just getting started posing for art classes where the students sketch them with charcoal on paper.  Some of the models tell me they always bring a robe just in case the instructor has a rule that they must wear something while the instructor is lecturing.  Some models just slip on some regular clothes when they are not posing.  I would like to hear from some models who pose nude for art classes, so I can pass on those little tips that make a figure model come accross as a serious professional.  Do you think a professional attitude helps you get more gigs or better pay?

If they were to be posing nude I would prefer them to wear a loose robe so that the lines from their clothes would have time to disappear.

Stefano Brunesci wrote:

And how kind to have started this thread too

That's what I call dedication....

Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Yes. Some people have to set an example for the rest of us. I'm truly grateful.

Shandra Stark wrote:
Just because I'm comfortable nude doesn't mean I'm an exhibitionist,

*Crosses Shandra off ok to pay list.*

:-D

Shandra Stark wrote:
I bring my robe every time. 

Just because I'm comfortable nude doesn't mean I'm an exhibitionist, and it doesn't meant I need to be sitting all over people's things with my bare ass.

I ALWAYS throw a robe on at art schools.

I usually wear it between photo sets.  My robe is just comfy, and it's routine. 

I throw it on if I feel like we'll be breaking for more than a minute.

To the question "clothes vs robe"...robe.  Who wants to get in and out of sweats every twenty minutes of an art class?

You seem to be very professional and also considerate.

dave wright art wrote:
in a class or workshop environment, it's common for models to wear robes.

when a model is not posing, there's no need for him or her to be nude. so in that situation, the model's nudity would be inappropriate and unnecessary.

it's not really appropriate for a model to put on street clothes between poses, or during breaks. it's understood that the robe is the appropriate attire for a nude model, and it would be inappropriate for a model to put on a dress or jeans and a t-shirt between poses. it's normal for a nude model to begin a pose by walking onto the riser and removing her robe. it would be inappropriate for a model to walk up to the riser wearing a skirt and tank top, and remove them there.

acting like a professional definitely helps. i've worked with models who brought their own robes, sheets, pillows, music, heater, and snacks. that kind of preparedness definitely makes a good impression on instructors.

What he said. I put on a robe during breaks for art classes.  I'm not uncomfortable sitting around nude for no reason, but I expect that some of the students might be so it's polite to just cover up. 

For individual artists and photographers, I'm unlikely to bring a robe, much less pout it on. The dynamic is different.

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
Models that I have worked with didn't use a robe.  Some even changed in front of me when we weren't shooting nudes.

I've worked with nude models who ran off to the bathroom for every change, and clothed models who changed right out in the open. No biggie either way, whatever floats their boat.

theda wrote:
I put on a robe during breaks for art classes.  I'm not uncomfortable sitting around nude for no reason, but I expect that some of the students might be so it's polite to just cover up. 

For individual artists and photographers, I'm unlikely to bring a robe, much less pout it on. The dynamic is different.

I agree that many instructors worry about the feelings of certain students.

Ossuary wrote:
I haven't posed for a class, but I do pose for a local artists collaborative, and I do put on a robe between poses. More to keep warm than anything else, really, because I'm generally posing in the studio which is in the basement, so it gets a little chilly if the heaters are off. I don't think that wearing one or not wearing one is an issue of professionalism, considering they've all already seen and drawn me naked anyway.

Posing in someones basement or studio is different from posing at a public facility.  There are some colleges in Illinois that allow students to be under 18.  There also might be students who were brought up in families that have religious traditions that must be respected.  Most college professors would prefer to err on the side of being too cautious.

Stann Hoyle wrote:
Some of the models I work with are just getting started posing for art classes where the students sketch them with charcoal on paper.  Some of the models tell me they always bring a robe just in case the instructor has a rule that they must wear something while the instructor is lecturing.  Some models just slip on some regular clothes when they are not posing.  I would like to hear from some models who pose nude for art classes, so I can pass on those little tips that make a figure model come accross as a serious professional.  Do you think a professional attitude helps you get more gigs or better pay?

Yes, I personally feel that a robe is appropriate for them to wear when not posing.  hanging out in the nude is never professional or appropriate behavior in my mind.  In my studio I keep a white robe in the dressing area, and tell the models that it is available to use when we are changing backgrounds, or not in the shooting mode.   Recently I had one model that I was shooting, and I needed to review the digital images for a little bit, so I handed the robe to her and gave her the option to put it on, since there was a break in our shooting.   She seemed appreciative for this, slipped it one.  Once we were ready to start shooting again, she tossed it off to the side and we started up again.

I keep the robe in there for them to put on before we shoot, to give their bodies time to breath, and to let bra strap marks and such fade away a little.

Of course, offering a robe also shows a little more professionalism in myself to the model.  Letting her know what I am not a perv, that just wants to hang out with a nude woman.

Stann Hoyle wrote:

Posing in someones basement or studio is different from posing at a public facility.  There are some colleges in Illinois that allow students to be under 18.  There also might be students who were brought up in families that have religious traditions that must be respected.  Most college professors would prefer to err on the side of being too cautious.

Why oh why would children whos religious beliefs are supposed to keep them from starring at naked people be in an art class chock full of nude models?

The idea of high-conservatism just doesnt jive with nude modeling to me

I dont look any different naked when Im sitting in the middle of the room on a pedestal than I do when Im sitting off to the side during a lecture. Taking that five step walk from the platform to a chair on the side doenst magically turn me into this raunchy sexual being people cant possibly stand not to lust over

Laura UnBound wrote:

Why oh why would children whos religious beliefs are supposed to keep them from starring at naked people be in an art class chock full of nude models?

The idea of high-conservatism just doesnt jive with nude modeling to me

I dont look any different naked when Im sitting in the middle of the room on a pedestal than I do when Im sitting off to the side during a lecture. Taking that five step walk from the platform to a chair on the side doenst magically turn me into this raunchy sexual being people cant possibly stand not to lust over

Agreed. If they can't take the heat, stay the fuck out of the kitchen.

Laura UnBound wrote:

Why oh why would children whos religious beliefs are supposed to keep them from starring at naked people be in an art class chock full of nude models?

The idea of high-conservatism just doesnt jive with nude modeling to me

I dont look any different naked when Im sitting in the middle of the room on a pedestal than I do when Im sitting off to the side during a lecture. Taking that five step walk from the platform to a chair on the side doenst magically turn me into this raunchy sexual being people cant possibly stand not to lust over

I never thought you were raunchy.  Oakton Community Colleges has a rule that we must respect everyones religion and ethnic and moral issues.  Students who have issues about nudity are allowed to sketch other people who wear some type of body covering.  I have found that many students who express apprehension about working with a nude model, will show up for class and find out that nudity is really no big deal.

Megan Nielson wrote:
i think when you are a professional of any sort, its beneficial not to forget it..i personally would wear the robe..

It's nice to hear from someone in Chicago; let's keep in touch.

Stann Hoyle wrote:
I never thought you were raunchy.  Oakton Community Colleges has a rule that we must respect everyones religion and ethnic and moral issues.  Students who have issues about nudity are allowed to sketch other people who wear some type of body covering.  I have found that many students who express apprehension about working with a nude model, will show up for class and find out that nudity is really no big deal.

I never accused you of saying that.

I'd respect everyones ethnic religious and moral issues..in the hallway. Youre stepping into an art classroom for nude figure drawing, youre going to see a naked model, if that goes against what you believe in, dont go through the door. Again, the nude figure model is no different on the platform than she is in the chair in the corner...

And again, if I were ASKED to cover up, no biggie, but given the option, I wouldnt unless I were cold. And I dont think that makes a person any more or less "professional" to simply be comfortable with their body to not have to run for cover every time the camera, pencil, or paintbrush is set aside.

Laura UnBound wrote:

I never accused you of saying that.

I'd respect everyones ethnic religious and moral issues..in the hallway. Youre stepping into an art classroom for nude figure drawing, youre going to see a naked model, if that goes against what you believe in, dont go through the door. Again, the nude figure model is no different on the platform than she is in the chair in the corner...

And again, if I were ASKED to cover up, no biggie, but given the option, I wouldnt unless I were cold. And I dont think that makes a person any more or less "professional" to simply be comfortable with their body to not have to run for cover every time the camera, pencil, or paintbrush is set aside.

the figure really is about line... and in painting, color, space and light... for me there is little difference between the model and the rest of the setting... maybe except the luminocity of skin... and the sentimentality of the figure.