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Model

theda

Posts: 21719

New York, New York, US

Posted by jO3Design: 

Posted by theda: 
I am an ice quenn. You take that back or else.

HOLY CRAP THEDA MADE AN ERROR AND I CAUGHT IT!

muahaha *evil laugh*

You an everyone else. I type like crap.

Jul 21 05 08:06 pm Link

Model

Ever Art

Posts: 1125

Chicago, Illinois, US

Is it ever acceptable to molest a Model?   Uh, the answer is NEVER.

Regardless of if it was a joke or not, its very unprofessional to even think/joke about. 

I cant believe you wasted space on this forum to post this sort of crap. 

This sort of thinking, esp when u post it on an Industry forum, makes you as a Photographer look like a flake... 

Jul 21 05 08:16 pm Link

Photographer

- null -

Posts: 4576

Weeeeeeeeeeee!

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They just keep on comming.

Jul 21 05 08:28 pm Link

Photographer

Jack D Trute

Posts: 4558

New York, New York, US

Posted by Ariane G: 
Is it ever acceptable to molest a Model?   Uh, the answer is NEVER.

Regardless of if it was a joke or not, its very unprofessional to even think/joke about. 

I cant believe you wasted space on this forum to post this sort of crap. 

This sort of thinking, esp when u post it on an Industry forum, makes you as a Photographer look like a flake...   

Doth thee pretend to mention me?  How does it make me look?  Model in the snow white outfit,  what does though think of how it pertains to action of myself not to mention theeself?

Jul 21 05 09:02 pm Link

Photographer

Jack D Trute

Posts: 4558

New York, New York, US

Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: 
Weeeeeeeeeeee!

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Jul 21 05 09:05 pm Link

Model

CTD- NYC Model

Posts: 969

Fairfield, Connecticut, US

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Jul 22 05 12:52 am Link

Photographer

Jack D Trute

Posts: 4558

New York, New York, US

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Jul 22 05 01:00 am Link

Photographer

Jack D Trute

Posts: 4558

New York, New York, US

Look I made a new video game.

Jul 22 05 01:02 am Link

Photographer

lobo estepario

Posts: 117

Chicago, Illinois, US

NEVER. END OF DISCUSSION.

Jul 22 05 01:19 am Link

Photographer

not here anymore.

Posts: 1892

San Diego, California, US

Posted by mollie_lane: 

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 

Posted by mollie_lane: 
OOOOOO you Philistine.....isn't that thunder and lightning
I see and hear screaming toward you as we speak?!?!

Ummmmmm...I think SOMEONE is fixing to ummm "light you up!"
I am outta here!

Say wha?  lol

Uh-huh....you heard me! ((LOL))

WTF?  I heard you, but didn't understand a word you said.  heh

Jul 22 05 07:47 am Link

Photographer

Jack D Trute

Posts: 4558

New York, New York, US

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *:

WTF?  I heard you, but didn't understand a word you said.  heh

Look,  if we stopped a thread everytime that happened,  we would call this site Visually dissappointing Model Mindscapes.

Jul 22 05 08:26 am Link

Model

Barbray

Posts: 885

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 

Posted by mollie_lane: 

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 

Posted by mollie_lane: 
OOOOOO you Philistine.....isn't that thunder and lightning
I see and hear screaming toward you as we speak?!?!

Ummmmmm...I think SOMEONE is fixing to ummm "light you up!"
I am outta here!

Say wha?  lol

Uh-huh....you heard me! ((LOL))

WTF?  I heard you, but didn't understand a word you said.  heh

GOD + lightning bolt=you're fried crispy.
Do I also need to add the disclaimer...It was a joke?
You know...Har-Har-Har...

Mollie

Jul 22 05 09:23 am Link

Photographer

Tropical Photography

Posts: 35564

Sarasota, Florida, US

Posted by mollie_lane: 

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 

Posted by mollie_lane: 

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 

Posted by mollie_lane: 
OOOOOO you Philistine.....isn't that thunder and lightning
I see and hear screaming toward you as we speak?!?!

Ummmmmm...I think SOMEONE is fixing to ummm "light you up!"
I am outta here!

Say wha?  lol

Uh-huh....you heard me! ((LOL))

WTF?  I heard you, but didn't understand a word you said.  heh

GOD + lightning bolt=you're fried crispy.
Do I also need to add the disclaimer...It was a joke?
You know...Har-Har-Har...

Mollie

Molli Daaarrrrrlin', he's from Cali, you know, where they have them cement ponds...  I hear's they are soooo laid back that it's like they're stopped..  He probably just feel asleep before the comprehension kicked in..

  Don't tell anyone, but I hear they smoke their "herbs" out there...  Pray tell ain't that silly!!! 

  Nice to see ya sweeeetie pieeeeeee...  ;-)

Jul 22 05 09:28 am Link

Photographer

not here anymore.

Posts: 1892

San Diego, California, US

Posted by mollie_lane: 

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 

Posted by mollie_lane: 

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 

Posted by mollie_lane: 
OOOOOO you Philistine.....isn't that thunder and lightning
I see and hear screaming toward you as we speak?!?!

Ummmmmm...I think SOMEONE is fixing to ummm "light you up!"
I am outta here!

Say wha?  lol

Uh-huh....you heard me! ((LOL))

WTF?  I heard you, but didn't understand a word you said.  heh

GOD + lightning bolt=you're fried crispy.
Do I also need to add the disclaimer...It was a joke?
You know...Har-Har-Har...

Um okay?  I still don't get it.

Jul 22 05 08:11 pm Link

Photographer

not here anymore.

Posts: 1892

San Diego, California, US

Posted by Jack D Trute: 
Look,  if we stopped a thread everytime that happened,  we would call this site Visually dissappointing Model Mindscapes.

Get a life.  Actually, stop pretending your a dog.  You're only half because of your mother's side.

Jul 22 05 08:12 pm Link

Photographer

not here anymore.

Posts: 1892

San Diego, California, US

Posted by Keith aka Wolfie: 
  Molli Daaarrrrrlin', he's from Cali, you know, where they have them cement ponds...  I hear's they are soooo laid back that it's like they're stopped..  He probably just feel asleep before the comprehension kicked in..

  Don't tell anyone, but I hear they smoke their "herbs" out there...  Pray tell ain't that silly!!! 

  Nice to see ya sweeeetie pieeeeeee...  ;-)

God, what kind of language are you guys speaking?

Jul 22 05 08:13 pm Link

Photographer

Doug Lester

Posts: 10591

Atlanta, Georgia, US

You can molest a model when you have a really great lawyer on retainer.

Jul 23 05 05:40 pm Link

Model

Duckiey

Posts: 70

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: 


Can you slip her some roofies and just do her? ... Remember - "it's not illegal if she can't remember anything."

Make it percs and its a deal lmfao

Jul 23 05 06:32 pm Link

Model

Duckiey

Posts: 70

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Oh BTW atleast make sure your camera is ready too

Jul 23 05 06:33 pm Link

Photographer

- null -

Posts: 4576

Posted by Duckiey: 

Posted by Eric Muss-Barnes: 


Can you slip her some roofies and just do her? ... Remember - "it's not illegal if she can't remember anything."

Make it percs and its a deal lmfao

Oh BTW atleast make sure your camera is ready too

I know we've only been in touch for about 8 hours. So, is it too early in our relationship to tell you that I love you? Because, you know, I hate to rush things. I'll wait another hour or two if it makes you more comfortable.

But don't tell my online-wife, Theda. Just keep this quiet and she'll never need to know.

Jul 23 05 08:46 pm Link

Photographer

Jack D Trute

Posts: 4558

New York, New York, US


when can you molest a model?

Right after you chain up here escort when else.   Man,  I only had one choker and I just ran out of gaffer tape.

Jul 23 05 08:59 pm Link

Photographer

Stan Goldstein

Posts: 407

New York, New York, US



Sheeeeeesh, Eric you MUST be bored to post this...
But the question is a NO-Brainer.

You can TRY to molest me ANY TIME...
just be DAMNED sure you are READY to meet Jesus!
Because I'm going to insure the meeting takes place within minutes!

smile

Mollie

What makes you think Jesus wants to meet HIM?  He'll probably just dump the body back on your roof.

Jul 24 05 12:09 am Link

Model

Barbray

Posts: 885

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Posted by Stan Goldstein: 



Sheeeeeesh, Eric you MUST be bored to post this...
But the question is a NO-Brainer.

You can TRY to molest me ANY TIME...
just be DAMNED sure you are READY to meet Jesus!
Because I'm going to insure the meeting takes place within minutes!

smile

Mollie

What makes you think Jesus wants to meet HIM?  He'll probably just dump the body back on your roof.

Ummmm, I plead the fifth, Stan!

wink

Mollie

Jul 24 05 12:14 am Link

Model

Barbray

Posts: 885

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Posted by * Visual Mindscapes *: 

Posted by Keith aka Wolfie: 
  Molli Daaarrrrrlin', he's from Cali, you know, where they have them cement ponds...  I hear's they are soooo laid back that it's like they're stopped..  He probably just feel asleep before the comprehension kicked in..

  Don't tell anyone, but I hear they smoke their "herbs" out there...  Pray tell ain't that silly!!! 

  Nice to see ya sweeeetie pieeeeeee...  ;-)

God, what kind of language are you guys speaking?

Absurdese...of course...what else?

wink

Mollie

Jul 24 05 12:16 am Link

Photographer

alexwh

Posts: 3104

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

The question posted in this forum is the kind of question that we  "very boring Canadians" would never pose or even joke about.

I teach a course called the Portrait Nude. I present my class and models with the following handout.

The Nude Portrait (II)
Alex Waterhouse-Hayward
Model Protocol

About 23 years ago I photographed around 9 exotic dancers dressed as London Bobbies (cops). The resulting photograph was framed and was placed inside the Cecil Hotel. It may still be there next to the pool table. The photo imitated a large mural/painting of 9 Bobbies that at the time graced the wall of the hotel. When the women arrived to the warehouse where I took the pictures (a white brick wall was needed) they asked me where they could change. I had set up an area with a large sheet where they could do this. My assistant commented, “Why would they need a place to change. They are strippers, aren’t they? “

It is obvious that my assistant was horribly wrong and no further explanation is needed.

But some of us, particularly, when we are behind the camera forget that the person who is our photographic subject is a person, and to be repetitive, a human being. I am sure that my assistant had objectified the exotic dancers and it never occurred to him that they were women who valued their modesty and privacy when not working at their job.

A variant of being aware that our subject is a person should be our ability to put ourselves in their position. While we may not want to pose now or in the future either clothed or unclothed we should think, “Would I do this?â€? “Would I do it like this?â€? Why am I telling the model to relax? Could I do it (relax) if I were facing that camera and that big soft box?â€?

Models, even very good models cannot predict what a photographer may want. They can do this if they have worked with you before. You cannot expect them to do something while you wait to snap your shutter unless you give them the proper and courteous indication. Saying, “Pleaseâ€?, and, “Thank you, “is appreciated. If you cannot verbally explain the pose you want, you can step in (don’t touch!) and show the model how. My advice is to watch your models when they are relaxing during their rest periods as they will do things that come naturally.

You should not only provide your model for an area to change where they have privacy but you should also expect them to clothe themselves (there are a few that don’t!) when they are not posing for you. A cooling fan on hot days and a heater on cold days is most necessary. An area where the model has a mirror and a stool with table where they can apply makeup is nice to have.

It is my personal rule that I never touch my models, particularly when they are unclothed. The exception can be a stray hair that may cover an eye and I will sometimes use my pinky finger to move it out of the way.

Looking at your model, when not through the camera, should not be an obvious stare. Learn the way doctors do it. You look at them at eye level. Until you know your model well and you know about their sense of humour, or lack of it, you should never make any jokes about their body.

When I photograph anybody, clothed or unclothed, I don’t point out their physical demerits. If their face is too wide I narrow it with lighting. You don’t say, “You have a chubby face.â€? If the model has stretch marks you find angles where they don’t show. Unless your model wants you to document their body as it is (this rarely happens) it is your duty to make them look as good as you can and not blame your lack of lighting skills, bad equipment, or their body for your unsatisfactory picture. Unless you are really very good with PhotoShop, a Polaroid or the image on your screen will never look that much better.

In our class we should take as perfect a picture seconds before we press that shutter, be it film or digital.

Again I want to stress that you must respect a model’s privacy in the way you may show the pictures that you have taken. They should be seen only in your hard copy (as in one of those black books with plastic sleeves) and none of your photos should be posted on any web page be it a personal one or another type. If you wish to do this you must get permission in writing from your model.

Any model, and particularly the unclothed one, is in a vulnerable position when they face your camera. They trust you. Some models (if not most) will object to showing parts of their anatomy that they deem to be extremely private. When they pose for you, you may be in a situation to be able to photograph what the model does not want to show. It is your duty to move them until the pose is a correct one.

In the end it is more difficult to not show the external sexual organs of a male model. Male models will have different requests to that of female models. In our class sessions we will bring this up. In your own sessions, out of school with other models or friends, you should always bring up this sensitive area before you begin to shoot.

I always prefer to shoot without any kind of music, unless my model specifically requests it. I like to work in silence. The idea that the young thing in a bikini will remove her clothes, just because you offered her wine and play loud heavy metal music, only works on planet Jupiter.  From the beginning you tell your model where the bathroom is and you should have plenty of bottled water. Alcohol always shows up on your model’s face and pot makes their eyes go red. And the last, often overlooked, recommendation is that models like to be given positive feedback on how they look in front of your camera and how they are taking to your instructions. Give them plenty of this stuff.

Jul 24 05 12:22 am Link

Photographer

Stan Goldstein

Posts: 407

New York, New York, US

Posted by alexwh: 

Again I want to stress that you must respect a model’s privacy in the way you may show the pictures that you have taken. They should be seen only in your hard copy (as in one of those black books with plastic sleeves) and none of your photos should be posted on any web page be it a personal one or another type. If you wish to do this you must get permission in writing from your model.

While there is much of what you say that I agree on, there are points on which I disagree.  In particular, the model release should clearly spell out how the pictures may, or may not, be used.  There should be no need for any additional "permission in writing from your model". 

I suspect you totally missed the point of the original post.  I would translate it into Canadian, if I spoke that language.

Jul 24 05 02:12 pm Link

Photographer

Jack D Trute

Posts: 4558

New York, New York, US

when can you molest a model?

When you are clean maybe.

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Jul 24 05 10:24 pm Link

Model

Ms. Isadora V.

Posts: 74

Columbus, Ohio, US

I am loving the mohawk!

Ms. Isadora VonPainne

Posted by Michael Anthony: 
hahah.. this just reminded me of an aspiring photog i met years ago... NO, it wasn't ME, although peeps look at my mohawk and tend to label me... haha... 

Jul 25 05 01:58 am Link