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Model Excuses for Canceling
I am curious to know some of the stories photographers have heard in why the model has to cancel. I have had some interesting ones. One model calling and babbling that her neighbor just got a pool and the water truck was blocking her drive way....YET..we had arranged for her to be picked up at a local train station because she claimed to not have a car....Lets hear some of your stories...Someone could write a book... Jul 26 05 02:13 am Link Another favorite of mine was this model from DC. She would call all the time, asking to be scheduled, yet on the day of the shoot, she would call or email and say she just got her "monthly", not a poor excuse right? Try 3 weeks in a row !! I told her on her last call to not bother contacting me any further. I was no longer interested. Jul 26 05 02:18 am Link I did a shoot with a model that turned out very well [or at least i think so]. We set up a second shoot on the spot, but less than 24 hours before the shoot, she told me that her younger brother wanted her to visit...so she was cancelling. I found out later that she had a whole lot of issues regarding me, the shoot and the images, but I shan't go into that here. Jul 26 05 02:29 am Link I've got one for a photographer canceling on a model... If ya'll are interested?? Works both ways... So I go for a pre meet with this guy...I'll call him X. We meet, exchange folios to look at...Ect, all that good stuff. We agree that we want to work together and all that good stuff. $50/hour min three hours. He had to get back to work so he said he'd email me back and we'd shoot in the "next few weeks" Well, He emailed the next day. Set up a date and time all that good stuff. Now, I don't CLAIM to always have been the most cautious of models in the past. But to put this in a time frame...This was PRE OMP coming into existance. (at least to my knowledge) I didn't do a ref. check but I did check out his proffesional site to make sure he was "legit" Everything looked fine. Night before the shoot I send off a confirming email (hubby made suggestion to do so) Got an email back saying "yep I'll be there" SO I drive out to the location of the shoot...and wait and wait...Nothing. after 55 min I call the hubby on my cell (which the dude had the #) and asked him to check my email. The guy had emailed me not five minutes before that saying he never got a verbal confimation from me and that I was the irrisponcible (sp bad sory 6am) one! That he had TRIED to call me and that I wouldn't pick up my phone and that HE had been waiting for ME!>?!?! I don't know if he just didn't want to shoot and fed me a line, or if someone better came along or what. ~shrugs~ I'll post another later today...Been modeling for 8 years. I've got plenty of them! Kendra Dane Jul 26 05 05:01 am Link So why do many people here seem to have this hangup on this issue. It's just seem so strange in that most of this is due to money.....if you are shooting models for ftp or whatever terms you guys use.....If you are shooting with clients & ad agencies with art directors....this is never a issues other than the model doesn't know the location shoot becasue we are in the middle of the woods...doing print ads for urban life....Get a grip people... Jul 26 05 05:05 am Link ill say ive worked with some great models...and other were Hell on a stick I'm in Va and i have the MOST problems with girls near the beach I worked with one guy who has an agency and 3 of his girls were no call no shows (NCNS) Another girl has booked at least 5 times but NEVER makes a deposit and ALWAYS has an excuse One has shot once but several times has said "im on the way" and just not shown up. Ill call and call and finally catch her online days later and ask "what happen" but she'll just type a frowny face lol Im used to it but my models and photogrpaher friends are like we should start a black list I'll say this: 60% of these girls arent cut out to do this spiritually or emotionally. So many have not shown up do to a fight with a boyfriend or their roommate does something to piss them off. THey are led more by their emotions than by professionalism which is VERY annoying I had a very painful medical proceedure once (lets not EVEN go into details) and left the doc and went right to a shoot; if i can do that Im sure a model can get over the fact her boyfriend of 6 months is have an argument over something stupid lol thoughts? Jul 26 05 05:22 am Link Great photography requires a balanced combination of emotions and professionalism. The same personality traits that contribute to a model being great in front of the camera are often the causes of "flaky" behaviour described here. I think that most models have a bit of "mystery" to them, which in the end makes them more fun to work with. BTW, all this also applies to photographers! Jul 26 05 09:13 am Link Posted by Alex Alexander: We all realize that having clients makes some photographers better than others, Sir. We lower orders were just sharing some funny little stories about our insignifigant lives outside of our day-job cubicles. No need to trouble yourselves with us. Jul 26 05 09:13 am Link Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: From one cubicle-dweller to another, I commend you on your comeback! Jul 26 05 09:43 am Link 1) One no-call no-show who was traveling to my city later rather angrily defended herself from my mild reproof by saying, "Well next time my uncle has a heart attack I'll tell him to clear it with you first." My response was, "Unless you were the attending cardiac surgeon there was probably a time during the whole thing where you could have dialed me on your cell and said, "Sickfamilymemberinhospitalcan'tmakeshootgottagobye." 2) One model emailed me half an hour before the shoot (I had already driven into the city) and said, "On advice of counsel I can't sign the photo release you sent me [three weeks ago] so I won't be coming." What, we couldn't discuss it? Your mysterious "counsel" deduced that I was an axe murderer from reading it and told you to never talk to me again? 3) One model's boyfriend called me about an hour after the shoot was supposed to start: I was halfway home (it was an evening shoot and for those I wait 30 minutes, no more.) "We couldn't find a parking space." Well, aside from the fact that the confirmation email - which I know you got because that's the only way you could have gotten the phone number you're calling - tells you where you can park, perhaps you could have called me an hour ago *when you were supposed to be there.* I'm on my way home and I'm not coming back. Although that particular model actually offered to pay a cancellation deposit if I would just book her again, which I did and she was a good model. So you never know. M Jul 26 05 09:55 am Link Posted by Alex Alexander: Just because you do a TFP doesn't mean thats an excuse to cancel. Yeah it happens with these shoots. But you can't tell me that if you deal with an agency it never happens. I've seen it. The whole point of a thread like this is to share some of the stranger excuses and to vent. This is a forum after all. Don't tell me or others that would bitch about this to get a grip, we all know cancellations happen its not like we're wondering why. Jul 26 05 09:56 am Link 'I think I left the oven on!' Jul 26 05 09:58 am Link Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: Posted by Alex Alexander: We all realize that having clients makes some photographers better than others, Sir. We lower orders were just sharing some funny little stories about our insignifigant lives outside of our day-job cubicles. No need to trouble yourselves with us. Who is this guy??? Good choice of words. people like him piss me off. Jul 26 05 09:59 am Link Posted by Morphine Dream: Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: Posted by Alex Alexander: We all realize that having clients makes some photographers better than others, Sir. We lower orders were just sharing some funny little stories about our insignifigant lives outside of our day-job cubicles. No need to trouble yourselves with us. Who is this guy??? Good choice of words. people like him piss me off. well i think hes great Jul 26 05 10:05 am Link I had a shoot scheduled a few weeks ago with a new model. I'm sure she just got cold feet. I got an email from her the night before and she never showed and never called. She still has no pictures posted except her original snapshots. Fortunately this doesn't happen often to me but when it does, I don't send an email and I will never reschedule. Paul Jul 26 05 10:05 am Link The model in my avatar tried to cancel due to radiation poisoning. I'm glad I didn't allow that. Jul 26 05 10:07 am Link A recent one for me (and the only one I think I've ever had) was the whole "I had a family issue come up", and even though she had my phone number, decided not to call at all and let me know. After leaving her a blunt message about not doing the shoot, her reply was the following day (online) about her problem. But she had time to update her portfolio with new pics. Jul 26 05 10:22 am Link Posted by Anjel Britt: Because it's not that simple. Your own run-in with a certain demented photographer is proof that no interpersonal situation is fool proof. Jul 26 05 10:39 am Link This is an interesting one, This Model lives in San Diego, CA as do I. I was planning a huge self-promotional shoot in a bar in downtown SD. I had 11 models lined up for this shoot, and this Model___X contacted me and asked me if she could be in the project. Of course, I said yes. Well I called all 11 models and either spoke to or left a message the night before the shoot as well as e-mails. Great she said she would be there at 9:00 am sharp. Super I will see you there. She never shows, I kept calling and leaving messages for her. So anyway, I waited 3 days to pass before I finally contacted her. I e-mailed her and asked her what had happened; she said a family emergency came up. (The night before just hours I called her to confirm) many weeks had passed and I was producing a big fashion show photo shoot, and I had posted adds online needing models for my show. Therefore, she replies to one of my posts saying that she would love to be a part of my Fashion show. I responded back to her saying âDo you even know whose post this isâ? I never heard from her again as she went silently with her tail tucked between her legs. That is the first time I had a no show in over 20 years, she knows who she is, and I am a professional so I do not need to mention her name, as she is on MM. I hope that you shooters donât run into the same problem with her as I did.. Sincerely David Troyan, Master Photographer.CR Jul 26 05 10:44 am Link Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: Posted by Alex Alexander: happpens all the time with pay jobs, just harder to understand people turning down paying work. I see day players not show up on set, and that is good money. Oh well.... Jul 26 05 01:58 pm Link I ran across a site called. www.TheIndustryBlackList.com that once is up and running, looks like it's going to be a monster! Jul 26 05 02:33 pm Link Most stories like this come from a TFP session. When I lived in Atlanta, my cancellation rate was at 10% Being in Ohio, it was about 80% until I stopped working with girls on the net and started aiming my services towards models with resume's that had more on them than just a list of photogs they've worked with. The most retarded excuse is the "my car" excuse. I had one Cinci model tell me that someone hit her car so she couldn't make it. Yet she forgot that she had given me the link to her online diary weeks prior. Turns out some photographer I have never met or even heard of told her I was (and I quote) "a bad person" lol Nevermind that I insisted that she bring an escort due to the type of shots we were doing (lingerie) for her own comfort and safety. I laughed and kept it moving. Jul 26 05 04:29 pm Link i feel so horrible!! well i was supposed to do this model workshop, but i ended up going out saturday night with this guy i really liked and drank alot of then slept past 10ama which was when a photographer was going to pick me up i feel awful about it!!! Jul 26 05 04:54 pm Link Posted by starberri: In the immortal words of H.J. Simpson... Jul 26 05 05:02 pm Link Posted by starberri: Internet models have that luxury. Jul 26 05 09:33 pm Link Let's see, in 8 years shooting models I have gotten the following (all internet related and pretty much in the last year; paid work) 1. My brother went to the hospital last night 2. My son had to go to the hospital last night 3. My friends were coming down and got in a wreck and had to go to the hospital ealier today 4. I had a family emergency (no doubt somebody went to the hospital) last night Of course no consideration was given to location fees, wardrobe fees, MUA fees, etc fees. Burn me once, shame on you, burn me twice...won't happen Jul 26 05 10:46 pm Link Three strikes and she was out... Strike One: She called me about 20 mins after the shoot was supposed to begin and told me her house burned down last nite. I gasped and asked if she was ok, and she responded, "Yeah, why wouldn't I?" I said, "Your caller ID says you are calling from a pile of ashes." For some strange reason, I offered to reschedule. Strike Two: The day before the shoot, she called and asked me if I was excited about the shoot...and said, "See you tomorrow at noon!" She didn't show...I didn't call to find out why. Strike Three: About 6-months later, I get an email from her entitled, "I'm willing to give you one more chance." I didn't bother to find out what was inside the email. Jul 26 05 10:51 pm Link Posted by EMG STUDIOS: Sounds like a he said/she said nightmare to me... Jul 27 05 10:27 am Link Posted by Alex Alexander: Perhaps if you don't want to read about "people's hangups on this issue" you should go chill in another thread. The title of this one was pretty clear. Jul 27 05 10:29 am Link I think the best one is the no show, no call, no response to email... Jul 27 05 10:54 am Link Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: Posted by Anjel Britt: Because it's not that simple. Your own run-in with a certain demented photographer is proof that no interpersonal situation is fool proof. we are talking about not arranging it and getting it done. (not how poeple attack each other at a shoot or after and/or crazee rapists!) Jul 27 05 03:01 pm Link ARRRGGGGhhh! I just had another model no show on me. No call, no email, I waited for 1 hr and 15 min. at our meeting place and nothing!!!! Jul 27 05 06:56 pm Link Posted by starberri: Jul 27 05 07:00 pm Link Posted by starberri: I can see why you did. Treat modeling like a job, because it is in a way. Would you go drinking like that the night before your full time job if you have one? Jul 27 05 07:03 pm Link Posted by AstraDivaJ: Can't be too different than what's going on here. Jul 27 05 07:06 pm Link It amazes me to hear these stories about no-shows and cancellations. Why do these people even bother to book? I'm all about confirmation, confirmation, confirmation!!!! I call them personally on the day of the shoot to confirm and make sure my ass is there on time!!!!! Jul 27 05 07:14 pm Link I actualy know a model whom drove two states over to attend a model shoot out. One of the main reasons she attened was to work with a paticular photog who bailed on her at the last minute claming to not have the money to suddenly attend. I guess the door goes both ways sometimes. I beleive in constant communication, its not like I'm going to brake a nail by picking up a phone to let someone know of an emergancy that suddenly came up. It just goes to show some are in this fot shits-and-giggles while others are more serious about it, enough to treat it like a job. Jul 27 05 07:20 pm Link I've had so many good experiences and relatively few bad ones. But I did enjoy overhearing two models at a gallery one night talking about all the fake excuses they've used to get out of shoots. Jul 27 05 07:33 pm Link Posted by AgentN: to make themselves feel like theyre in the mix, like theyre being courted for their looks (because they dont see it as work or networking, lets be for real), and quite honestly, they dont want to look like they are stuck up or too good to respond to people. cancelling out is probably more of a safe route for community site based net models because they can just conjure up an excuse and another photographer will ultimately forgive them. Jul 27 05 09:02 pm Link I feel so sorry for all the photographers that get lame excuses from "models" being no shows or just flakey. I will be completely honest and say that I've never been a no show. I've been the latest 15 min to a shoot and ended up waiting on the photographer to arrive for 20 additional minutes. I have cancelled one shoot and it was cancelled almost 3 months in advance, so no worries there. I make it my highest priority to go to a shoot once it is booked. If I'm sick, I drag myself out of bed and get there. If I'm like deathly sick, I'll call in advance from the hospital room and offer to shoot in my bed with some kind of hospital theme. I've actually had one no show photographer, which I have still to this day, haven't heard a reason why he didn't show. Jul 28 05 02:16 am Link |
