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America's Next Top Model for real or a hoax?
at first I liked it, but now its just been getting old. I know that it takes a while to become a SUPERmodel, so to speak but all the other contestants that have won like yoanna or adrienne curry or whatever her name is, they havent become , well America's next top model. what do u all think? Jul 27 05 09:57 pm Link If it is on TV for ratings...it is a hoax without exception. You can't script life. NOR, can life be accuratly portrayed in an hour once a week or once a night. Plus, since they 86'ed the nude requirement why watch? [jk] Jul 27 05 10:01 pm Link I said it before, it should be named America's next sitcom star for most of the models on the show will never work much in the industry. They will work on name which is a big part of the deal but they will ,,,,,,,, The fastest runner does not always win the race. Jul 27 05 10:29 pm Link I've seen some of the top 3 from each season get work and go further than millions of net models. You be the judge. Jul 27 05 10:51 pm Link The "show" is a ratings vehicle. Nothing more. It's all scripted and the "winners" are selected before the "season" starts. The producers of these scams count on literally thousands of average wanna-be models lining up to participate (and drive the ratings through the roof, which is where the money is made.) Jul 27 05 10:57 pm Link Posted by Monsante Bey: Why are you so down on Internet models? You and me both are Internet photographers. Jul 28 05 12:32 am Link Posted by marksora: Bring back Elise! Jul 28 05 12:52 am Link I think it's a long, uphill journey, even for those catapulted along. Their show experiences may get them through doors, but they still have to do the work. Jul 28 05 01:12 am Link Its scripted and stupid. However I thought the Swimsuit Model show was great, the winner was hot and she really appeared in the magazine. I wouldn't mind seeing another season of that. Jul 28 05 01:48 am Link You people can't be talking about shut up and model Jul 28 05 01:50 am Link No one's talking about shut up and model. Looks like they got the name right. Jul 28 05 06:03 am Link Star, here is where you can get your Elyse fix: http://www.livejournal.com/users/elysesewell/ I only saw the 1st 2 seasons. Those types of shows get so boring after the 1st season. I love the coaches and thought Janice was hysterical. Jul 28 05 06:44 am Link Wooopie! We had one on Brit TV as well. An absolutely wretch inducing 6 weeks of sobbing bitch-fest, little more than Big Brother with an all female cast. The highlights included cat fights galore; crying; bitching to and about each other; more crying; having second thoughts about showing their precious tits; more crying; some of the girls getting their hair cut; more crying; the less than size 8 girl, who wouldn't cast a shadow if she stood sideways, being told by a Paris agency that she was too "fat" for Paris; more crying; the girl who was 10 min late for a casting being told to get lost because she was late; more crying; putting the size 8 girl in size 6 clothes; more crying; and on it went agonising week after agonising week. Even after all that what happened to the winner? Who the hell knows she was never heard from again outside the insular world of "fashion". Total waste of production money and air time. The real highlight of the show, however, and perhaps the most honest part, was former model Rachael Hunter, who was one of the show's judges, tell the lowest ranking girl each week... "You don't have what it takes... You're OUT" Hell they could have done that at the start for all but one of the girls, just as they would have done at any casting, and saved us all from the six weels of agony. S36 Jul 28 05 07:16 am Link yeah - I know it's not 'real' and all that..but I still think it's fun..and I love to watch the shoot segments...I'd love to try just about every one of those ideas.... Julia Jul 28 05 07:24 am Link Posted by Patrick Walberg: Posted by Monsante Bey: Why are you so down on Internet models? You and me both are Internet photographers. While I haven't visited her site and have no plans to do so, the application form for the show is quite easy to locate on the show's website. (It's HUGE. The form, that is.) Jul 28 05 09:48 am Link I only watched like one show form the first season. I liked Elise and from what I understand, her modeling career did a lot better than Adrienne's. Jul 28 05 10:54 am Link Excuse me Theda, but Adrienne did the Lingerie SuperBowl. lol. Jul 28 05 10:57 am Link Posted by Star: I think she went back to work at Walmart. Sad, she had some style in a funky way. Jul 28 05 11:01 am Link I just watched the first season on DVD (gotta love Netflix.) While many people might have thought it was "real" that Adrienne threw up the horns and did the Gene Simmons tongue thing when she won, it told me she'd learned exactly nothing about appropriate behavior over the course of the entire process. You can take the trash out of the trailer, but you can't take the trailer out of the trash. I followed that link to Elyse's LiveJournal. Assuming she's not making the whole thing up while lying in some opium den, it looks like she's doing about as well as anybody who's been on that show. M Jul 28 05 11:30 am Link Posted by IndianaGlamour: I agree that it's a ratings vehicle, but you're incorrect about the other points. Jul 28 05 11:40 am Link Posted by StMarc: Hear, hear. Jul 28 05 11:40 am Link I would say that 95% of these shows are scripted. Bam, ANTM, The Real OC, etc... these are bullshit shows but people are dumb enough to think they are legit so they watch. I can understand watching the funny shows because it is more about comedy but I laugh that people take these others serious. Furthermore, Tyra is an idiot! Her forehead is almost as big as her tits now  Jul 28 05 12:38 pm Link Posted by Patrick Walberg: When does an internet photographer becomes such an animal? Jul 28 05 12:47 pm Link Posted by studio36uk: Sounds like more fun than ANTM. Jul 28 05 01:09 pm Link Posted by ( ANT ) Mgaphoto: Or people are dumb enough to think they are scripted, so they don't watch. Jul 28 05 01:10 pm Link bam Jul 28 05 01:14 pm Link Posted by Udo R Photography: Before the Internet? The BBS phenomenon came along much later than the Internet did. And a compliment: you definitely don't look old enough to have been shooting before the Internet. Perhaps you meant before the World Wide Web? Posted by Udo R Photography: Yeah, I don't get this either. It's like describing a photographer who uses the phone a lot as a "telephone photographer." Every photographer I know - regardless of skill or success - uses the Internet in some way for their work. Jul 28 05 01:18 pm Link Posted by Anthony Citrano: Posted by Udo R Photography: Before the Internet? The BBS phenomenon came along much later than the Internet did. And a compliment: you definitely don't look old enough to have been shooting before the Internet. Perhaps you meant before the World Wide Web? LOL... thanks... I am actually turning the big 4-0 in a few weeks. Jul 28 05 01:27 pm Link Posted by Julia Gerace: Being a newer fashion photographer I too was looking at the way the shoots were setup. I'd love to be able to try some of those ideas... tons of cool ideas. Jul 28 05 02:02 pm Link about the scripting, right now there is a thing going through the writer's guild to give reality show writers credit on the shows. Writers do not script the show, but they edit it to make the show say what they want it to. They are heavily involved. Jul 28 05 02:32 pm Link Posted by StMarc: Posted by Patrick Walberg: Posted by Monsante Bey: Why are you so down on Internet models? You and me both are Internet photographers. While I haven't visited her site and have no plans to do so, the application form for the show is quite easy to locate on the show's website. (It's HUGE. The form, that is.) Thank you! Jul 28 05 02:41 pm Link Posted by Anthony Citrano: Posted by IndianaGlamour: I agree that it's a ratings vehicle, but you're incorrect about the other points. I know someone local who was on a reality show. They ARE scripted! By that, I don't mean they tell the actors "oppps!" ... I mean the contestants exactly what to say ... but they do direct them so much that they may as well have lines. That is where the Director of the show stops. The only difference is the actors, (sorry!) contestants are able to speak their own lines. Jul 28 05 02:56 pm Link Posted by Udo R Photography: Posted by Patrick Walberg: When does an internet photographer becomes such an animal? Udo, I was pointing out that calling someone an "Internet model" makes about as much sense as calling you and me "Internet photographers!" Jul 28 05 03:04 pm Link I think that people confuse the title of the show to mean that the winner is now a super model and that's not the case nor did they promote the show to mean that. Everybody in the industy knows that to become a top model, it is based on client demand in both print and runway. As far as the show being scripted, it is not. I know because I happen to know a couple of girls from the show. Neither won but both are now signed with top agencies and working and told me things that went on. The winners are also with top agencies and now they compet with the rest of the girls in the industry. Only time will determine how far they will go. Winning the show is almost like winning Miss America which is why they say the winner was crowned Amercia's Next Top Model. It's really just a play on words. Ratings - of course, you don't create a TV series for the heck of it. You create a show that you know will grab ratings so that you can get sponsors to pay you so you can get huge profits. Like it or not, the show is successful and Tyra has 4 more shows coming our way. One is coming this fall. Jul 28 05 03:44 pm Link Posted by Fred Brown: Not scripted as in having "dialogue" but ALL shows are scripted unless it is a documentary. Jul 28 05 03:55 pm Link Posted by Patrick Walberg: Scripted means there is a script, Patrick. In my original post I said they were directed but not scripted. Above you essentially say, "I know they don't have a script, but it is scripted." Jul 28 05 03:58 pm Link Posted by Patrick Walberg: Posted by Fred Brown: Not scripted as in having "dialogue" but ALL shows are scripted unless it is a documentary. Patrick, Fred is right. I respectfully suggest you may be confused. In television production parlance, something is scripted when there is a written script. What you are describing above are direction and production, not scripting. Posted by Patrick Walberg: I'd expect all documentaries have a narration script, but my experience in that arena is precisely zero. Jul 28 05 04:04 pm Link I had a friend try out and make it to the finals. This is her story... Basically here was my week: Arrived at Beverl Hilton hotel --we weren't allowed to talk to each other the whole week unless the cameras were on so they wouldnt "miss anything." Tyra seemed very superficial as well as miss jay and mr jay. there were 30 girls, we had a photo competition and it got narrowed down to 17 girls...myself being one of the 17. This was by Saturday. during the week we were locked in rooms, basically hotel rooms, only allowed to talk when the cameras came in, and when they did come in, the producer would instigate. "Who would you like to punch in the room, who would you makeout with" stupid shit like that. By the way...we are all running on 0 sleep, because all week they are waking us up a 6 am, and we are going to bed at 2am. Also, we aren't eating healthy, we had orduerves (sp? ) everyday like muffins and watermelon with water or coffee or old room temp orange juice. Even the poor girls were angry, so i hope im not comming off snobbish...because i dont expect much. We did things like go out to get our nails done at the same place tyra did...and they had about 4 psychologists and a doctor and some IQ tests. All of which would try to find something wrong with you...and pressure you to tell them your problems so they could tell you what was wrong with you. Facing the panel was nerveracking, and Tyra told me and another girl (April) that we were "the strongest beauties there, but dull" DULL!? DULL?, we were running on no sleep, no food, and most of the girls had horrific stories like being raped and molested and shot at, that we just couldnt write if we tried. We had good lives, and we weren't drama queens. We had a fashion show for the final 17, and then they woke us up at 3am to do the cut on the top of the roof at the beverly hilton. (by the way, lots of celebs stay there...we saw ben affleck and jennifer garner, and the guy from the green mile (big black dude) and nicolas cage...) At 4am, they told us who made it into the house....some of who were only 5'3" and refused to put on a skirt. They were looking for drama queens and they found them. I'm not bitter about it at all, im actually very glad im not on the show because of how superficial it was. the whole time my attitude was "i really dont want to be on this show" but i made it there from 30,000 girls who tried out, some of who slept on the ground in NY, so I thought I might as well try. But about 98% of it was staged...they made us walk into rooms like 3 or 4 times so they could get the perfect shots...most will end up on the cutting room floor. ANTM scripted...nah :-) (just for the record that's sarcasm) I have to admit though I do like watching it. I laugh alot watching it but, I have to admit sometimes the shoot ideas are good or original (and alot of times there not). Jul 28 05 04:13 pm Link I take that show about as seriously as "Idol". They become "canned models" just like the Idol winners become "canned singers". Canned meaning pre packaged, made to be what the Idol company and top model company wants them to be. Just because a few select people sitting at a table like you does not mean you are going to be actually the top of anything. I mean, I totally disagree with who they chose as the winners on either show,lol. I do not recall seeing the last top model winner in anything big. I could be wrong, since I do not really watch commercials or look through print ads. Jul 28 05 04:21 pm Link Posted by Anthony Citrano: Posted by Patrick Walberg: Scripted means there is a script, Patrick. In my original post I said they were directed but not scripted. Above you essentially say, "I know they don't have a script, but it is scripted." There is a script. It contains directions as to location, lighting, and directives for the participants. There is no way you can make me believe that the director of a reality show is going to run without a script. Even Awards shows have scripts! They just don't tell the winners what to say! Jul 28 05 04:30 pm Link |
