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Abbitt Photography wrote: If the model is nude she is vulnerable. Anybody shooting nudes or partially naked women must repect that. I am pretty sure if any man was naked and somebody male or female approached them to touch without knowing their intentions they would freak out or at least instinctively fo to cover their private parts or back away. We as models generally do not; as long as you do ask and your intention is clear. That desreves a special kind of respect not taking it for granted you can touch when it is one to one. Look when I am at a fashion show or fitting I can have dozens of people in my space touching me; every part of my body including photographer. But when alone when nude/partially clothed that is not going to happen. If it needs to it needs to be done carefully and considerately. That is not a big ask. Oct 01 11 05:37 pm Link NB: I understand that many people feel more vulnerable naked, but I don't. Neither do I feel more vulnerable on a one to one shoot. I don't like being touched without being warned or having given consent whether I am clothed or naked, if there is one other person in the room or 50 other people in the room. Just putting that out there. Not all models feel the same way with regards to nudity.  Oct 01 11 07:24 pm Link Tansy Blue wrote: This!!! Oct 01 11 09:49 pm Link Jeeeez! It is all about being professional and respectful. If I have to touch something, I do. I usually only do after I have tried verbal direction. Sometimes, clothing shifts as you get into a pose so you can't do it yourself. However, you always ask. Once you ask and don't grope, they are usually ok without further asking. The more intimate the area, the more I preface the touch with a comment, otherwise, I just do it. Even when photographing fully clothed executives, they understand that the reason for touching is to make a better picture. The same for nude models. If it goes beyond that, they will know it and it will get around. So real pro's touch and real models don't mind. Oct 01 11 10:27 pm Link Tansy Blue wrote: ha ha. Yes but as a fitting model I just have to let sometimes dozens of people have their hands all over me constantly without having to ask. That isn't going to happen in a one to one it is entirely different; but just needs a bit of respectful common sense if required Oct 02 11 06:19 am Link While I appreciate a verbal, "Let me get that," when moving a hair or adjusting a strap (I just realized this is my nude profile but I already typed out a bunch of nonsense so I'm rolling with it) but it's not necessary as the vast majority of people I've worked with were truly professionals and not just labeling themselves as such. Often an accidental boob knock is usually a source of comedy as they have a tendency to get in the way. One strikingly abhorrent occasion however on a very unpleasant and bad outdoors nude shoot that I should not have agreed to, we had already gone past our time and were at the 5 hour mark and I was earnestly putting forth my best effort the entire time despite it being patently obvious that I had misjudged the character of whom I was working with. At the time I didn't want to be a diva and just cancel it or cut it off mid-way but I really should have. I was quite exhausted at that point and they kept asking me to stop and do more poses walking back to the cars and when I say a flat out, "No, I'm sorry I'm completely spent and would like to stop." (which is the first and only time I have had to flat out say no to anything during a shoot, any of the photographers I've met praise me on being so agreeable and open) Upon this, they said, "Just one more," I respond, "No, I'm really not up for it anymore," to which they said, "Ok, well, I'm going to touch you now." While they say that, they step forward, grab both of my wrists and pull them up over my head and push me back against a tree. It took all my effort and strength of will to not immediately break their grip and slam my forehead into their nose. All of these gals who're so uptight about being touched or brushed in any format can unwad their panties IMHO. Do they get offended when someone new to them offers a hug when they say goodbye? What do they do when they walk down a crowded city street? Oct 02 11 07:02 am Link Augustine York wrote: The thread should have ended here. Some models may not mind being touched. I, personally find it unnecessary and the photographer should be able to give them the right direction without putting their hands on the model. Oct 02 11 07:17 am Link Bare Essential Photos wrote: +1 Oct 02 11 07:20 am Link Bare Essential Photos wrote: These "drama queens" may have been touched inappropriately too. Open up your mind just a little. Oct 02 11 07:26 am Link Amarelle wrote: The OP never mentioned the model saying for nude shoots, which sorta snowballed in the thread & many took exception to...it's pretty obvious in a nude/semi nude setting that common sence and manners kick in, I doubt ANY photog on here disagree's as to proper decorum being the rule under those circumstances. Oct 02 11 07:29 am Link GCobb Photography wrote: Thank you. And in a one to one situation when it then has potential to become a 'your word against his' scenario it isn't wise. In either person's favour. Yes many of us have had a problem; and there will be photographers who have done something completely innocent and the model then accuses him. The answer is in a one to one to both be very careful and respect each other and ask so there is no possible grey area which confusion about intent may take place and flare into drama. Oct 02 11 07:32 am Link GCobb Photography wrote: True they may have been. Oct 02 11 07:38 am Link David_M wrote: It's trouble if you can't verbally instruct your models? It's trouble if you can't put your hands on a model? Okay... Oct 02 11 07:40 am Link GCobb Photography wrote: Thank you again. Oct 02 11 07:44 am Link I've never had to touch a model, except literally yesterday I tucked his shirt in because he didn't understand the word, "tuck". I never really have to touch models, telling them clearly how to pose usually works (unless of course there is a language barrier like yesterday). Oct 02 11 07:44 am Link Starr Images wrote: Good point! My indignation train got rolling and I left that little fact at the station, hah. In which case it's something I think we all can be glad to be informed of prior to the fact, because I've tended to only hear that from divas who couldn't walk the walk they talked the talk about. Oct 02 11 07:46 am Link i always ask first and it's usually just to adjust a stray hair. Oct 02 11 07:48 am Link GCobb Photography wrote: No, its potential trouble when a model puts anything so emphatically in their profile. Shiva Photo wrote: When I see any type of statement or demand in caps, I step right over the profile. Its simply easier to avoid potential issues completely by moving on to another model. It's immaterial whether I think I will be able to verbal guide her , a problem avoided is better than a problem solved. Oct 02 11 07:55 am Link The photographer should always ask the model if its ok to touch her just in case she has aproblem with that I personally have neverhad a problem if you ask first Oct 02 11 07:56 am Link Shiva Photo wrote: When I see any type of statement or demand in caps, I step right over the profile. Its simply easier to avoid potential issues completely by moving on to another model. It's immaterial whether I think I will be able to verbal guide her , a problem avoided is better than a problem solved. So WELL PUT ! ( pardon my caps ;-) ) Oct 02 11 08:02 am Link Marciia Gringe wrote: "I have never had a model" Oct 28 11 11:49 pm Link I have been shooting for 1 1/2 yrs now, and to this point have never had to touch a model at all. I just tell the what I need, or if it is a pose, show theml. Not saying it won't ever happen, but so far I haven't found the need. Doesen't mean I don't want to. Just haven't had to. Oct 29 11 12:08 am Link I have to say I agree! Oct 29 11 12:58 pm Link I RELUCTANTLY touch models...maybe to move a strand of hair or move their hand a bit or such. I have just heard TOO MANY stories about photographers that felt they had the right to touch a model anywhere they want and in any way they felt like. I try to be respectful of those that I work with, so I really am hands off. Any photographer that thinks this is a problem should consider that the models have probably run into some pretty sleazy "photographers" and are just trying to protect themselves. Understand that your daughter is trying to model and has to be around all the different personalities that are out here. It's not YOU, it's the OTHER less reputable ones that this is for. Don't feel upset unless you're actually guilty... I'm just saying... Kindest regards, Edward Oct 29 11 02:13 pm Link This has been said before in different ways by others, so I'm just adding it for cumulative value, I guess. I generally don't touch models. I like giving direction. If I do touch, I don't touch skin. If I do touch their hair or fabric, it's after an explanation is given, permission is requested, and granted. Hair or clothing. The model often can't see how I want her hair. And I may like her pose just the way it is, and getting her to adjust clothing will lose the precise dynamic that I'm seeing. Consent or not, if I sense any discomfort, I won't approach her, period. And I rarely hug, for that matter. It's worked so far. Oct 29 11 03:06 pm Link I always ask and have never had a problem.. 20+ years, I suppose I'm doing something right.. I would not want someone just walking up and handling me and getting all up in my space either. Oct 29 11 03:16 pm Link oh, i thought this was a thread telling models to not touch shooters. touching is touchy issue in america where most everyone is repressed, neurotic, and horny. i would suggest that shooters who are overly sexual and models who are overly frozen stay out of this business entirely. Oct 29 11 03:17 pm Link I was hugged by a nude model and didn't complain.  Oct 29 11 04:16 pm Link I had a photographer lunge forward without asking to wipe the lipstick off my teeth. With his bare hand. I was shocked, how is that okay? My way of thinking is tell me what I need to do with my body/face/hair to get it right, if I still don't quite get it perhaps demonstrate if possible, and then, after asking for permission and being told "yes", you can move me about. Very few of us are or ever will be shooting for Vogue or Calvin Klein, the majority of photographers will be "Average Joe's" who could be just about anybody; anyone can create a portfolio on Model Mayhem and call themselves a professional photographer, fact is we are going off to meet and pose (sometimes scantily clad or nude) for a stranger. The likelihood that they're a dodgy character is slim if we've gone through the motions right (checked references etc.), but that doesn't mean that it's not a little uncomfortable for a person to just touch you out of the blue without asking first. Oct 29 11 05:46 pm Link Wow... long thread. I try to not touch the models. I try to have a female assistant to do any adjustments, be it another photographer or a MUA/hair stylist. If I'm in a situation where I don't have someone to do that, I very clearly ask for permission to make the adjustment I need to make and do nothing more than what I asked. Oct 29 11 06:04 pm Link Fred Gerhart wrote: I trust this is coming from experience on large commercial sets with full teams and large budgets for big name clients? No? Oct 29 11 06:17 pm Link Shiva Photo wrote: It's been a golden rule 'Never touch'.... It's called respect for many a professional, don't ever think it's acceptable..just don't touch! Oct 30 11 02:58 am Link Tansy Blue wrote: +1 Oct 30 11 09:17 pm Link Mike Blissett wrote: Who's golden rule? During a shoot does a hair-stylist, makeup artist or wardrobe stylist "never touch?" Do they ask every single time something needs to be adjusted? Are they magic members of the team far above the photographer and blessed by some sort of holy light that allows them to touch? Oct 31 11 07:52 am Link I posted and realized I had already answered this thread  Oct 31 11 10:23 am Link It's all about the proffesional relationship that is being fostered and personal choice. Not all artists and photographers are proffesional and not all models are completly secure when working. With both of these variables you will get the no touch policy. When I work with models I am always aware of thier space and rarely touch but it may have to happen on the ocation during long poses after a brake. The concept of building trust is important. The simple point of understanding that confidence and being secure in the environment is the key to a successful session. Many models will stagnate and not advance if they are not willing to let an artist, photographer or fashion designer adjust the garment or pose. At the same time the artist will lose respect and future opportunities if the models space is not respected. Simply put both parties have to ask why they are doing what they are doing. Is it because they want to be poffesional, confident and respectful or because they are vain, perverted or paranoid. The last three being a negatives in the industry. This is an industry that is wide and varied with diffrent people with diffrent reasons for being here and more often than not the persons intentions are clear from they start, thier portfolio content and how they communicate. A gropy artist or a paranoid model can only go so far in a such a competitive industry. Not all modles are expirenced enough to take direction well and not all photographers and artists are able to give direction but to assume that all photographers and artists are in this questionable reasons is absurd. To say that a photographer or artist has to touch a model because they are inept at giving is a wild assumption. Having this opinion would be a wild generalization of the artist. I'm sure that if Annie Leibovitz or Nigel Baker adjusted a garment or pose on most models there would not be a problem. There would be few complaints because it would be an opportunity of a life time. If you have a no touch policy as a model, artist or photographer fine but to assume that all should never touch or all who do are inept or perverted is completly nieve. Oct 31 11 10:54 am Link Damianne wrote: Right on. Oct 31 11 11:05 am Link Augustine York wrote: haha! no butt ... Oct 31 11 11:05 am Link It's a personal choice. Personally, I think all touching between strangers is unacceptable unless one person is on fire or there is some other emergency. That's why we have language so we don't have to touch each other. If the model can't take non-physical direction, then just end the shoot. Models are not robots.. they're human and whether someone wants to be touched or not is a personal choice. Oct 31 11 11:15 am Link Why do people make this an issue,if a model doesn't want touched(male or female) then don't touch them.It's a pretty simple request,not shooting them because they request that is foolish.The society we live in now is unsafe and sometimes out right dangerous. 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