V Laroche wrote:
Who dug up this mouldering beast? Sigh.

My thoughts exactly.

V Laroche wrote:
Who dug up this mouldering beast? Sigh.

If you dont like the thread- dont open it. This is VERY simple

MartaBrixton wrote:

If you dont like the thread- dont open it. This is VERY simple

How does one know if they don't like without opening it?

P I X I E wrote:

V Laroche wrote:
Who dug up this mouldering beast? Sigh.

My thoughts exactly.

The thread was started a month ago.  That's not like resurrecting something from 2009.

I don't sleep with photographers.  Unless they're really hot.  And female.  And my girlfriend says it's ok.

I don't sleep with photographers.

Greg Kolack wrote:

How does one know if they don't like without opening it?

Obviously they know what this thread is about cuz they are complaining its here again, so when they see the title and know what is it they can simply move to the next one.

RenatoJr - RJ wrote:
Professional Photographers do not in any way shape or form tell a model that they have to sleep with them to make it big! (no pun intended!). I have known of relationships starting between photographers and models over time.

Have I ever slept with a model?
Yes. but it was someone I met at a party, did not even know she was a model, and had never worked with her before.

Have you ever got any offers?
Yes. And I actually have a funny story about this. Once after a shoot, the model told me that she really needed money and would do anything I wanted for $100.00. I gave her $100.00 and asked her to clean up and mop my whole studio.

Have you ever felt like you want to during the shoot?
I think most guys would be lying if they don't admit that sometimes they might find a model attractive. Having said that. The answer is NO! I am usually to busy during the shoot to make sure I get the right shot for my customer.

Is that a common thing or not really?
If your question is if it's a common thing for a photographer to ask a model to sleep with him to her her in her career and get her pictures. NO!!!! It he does he scumbag and the type of guy that gives a lot of photographers a bad name.

How do you know that wasn't what she had in mind?

RenatoJr - RJ wrote:
Professional Photographers do not in any way shape or form tell a model that they have to sleep with them to make it big! (no pun intended!). I have known of relationships starting between photographers and models over time.

Have I ever slept with a model?
Yes. but it was someone I met at a party, did not even know she was a model, and had never worked with her before.

Have you ever got any offers?
Yes. And I actually have a funny story about this. Once after a shoot, the model told me that she really needed money and would do anything I wanted for $100.00. I gave her $100.00 and asked her to clean up and mop my whole studio.

Have you ever felt like you want to during the shoot?
I think most guys would be lying if they don't admit that sometimes they might find a model attractive. Having said that. The answer is NO! I am usually to busy during the shoot to make sure I get the right shot for my customer.

Is that a common thing or not really?
If your question is if it's a common thing for a photographer to ask a model to sleep with him to her her in her career and get her pictures. NO!!!! It he does he scumbag and the type of guy that gives a lot of photographers a bad name.

100 pounds for cleaning a studio?! Are you kiddin me, I'd be soooo happy!

Anybody needs some help with cleaning maybe?

Trouble Noir wrote:
Would you hire a bartender who's a drunk? Or Fireman who's a pyro? Even though some guys became photographers to look at pretty girls. Having sex with a co-worker or employee is a bad idea.

To be honest I know soooo many bartenders and most of them drink at work, even managers And after they finish they get really drunk (I work for different pubs so I know).

Trouble Noir wrote:
Would you hire a bartender who's a drunk? Or Fireman who's a pyro? Even though some guys became photographers to look at pretty girls. Having sex with a co-worker or employee is a bad idea.

OK, first off ... a model isn't a co-worker or an employee. They are at most a supplier or contractor, and secondly the idea of sleeping with co-workers is almost universally accepted. Hense, the reason the quick office shag was invented.

What bugs be about threads like these is the perception that male photographers are taking advantage of female models, perpetuating a stereotype that women are victims in an ongoing and one sided battle to get into their pants.

Women like to get laid just as much as men. If they're both adults, and they're both into it, then why are people so uptight about it?

RenatoJr - RJ wrote:
Have you ever got any offers?
Yes. And I actually have a funny story about this. Once after a shoot, the llama told me that she really needed money and would do anything I wanted for $100.00. I gave her $100.00 and asked her to clean up and mop my whole studio.

Chris Rock wrote:
"So I'm walking down the street, right? And I saw this prostitute, right?

And I said, 'How much?'

She said, 'For $300, I'll do anything you want.'

I said, 'Bitch, paint my house!'"

Christoper Ross wrote:
OK, first off ... a model isn't a co-worker or an employee. They are at most a supplier or contractor, and secondly the idea of sleeping with co-workers is almost universally accepted. Hense, the reason the quick office shag was invented.

What bugs be about threads like these is the perception that male photographers are taking advantage of female models, perpetuating a stereotype that women are victims in an ongoing and one sided battle to get into their pants.

Women like to get laid just as much as men. If they're both adults, and they're both into it, then why are people so uptight about it?

The very first post in this thread is a great example of the difference between an attempt at an exploitation of a power situation to try and force someone into sex and the potential for a consensual relationship between professional collaborators.

Art of the nude wrote:
The very first post in this thread is a great example of the difference between an attempt at an exploitation of a power situation to try and force someone into sex and the potential for a consensual relationship between professional collaborators.

Exploitation of power between men and women (or men and men for that matter) happen, regardless to the occupation. I agree with you completely that those situations are completely wrong, and would fully support a version of the Hunger Games for men like that.

What I dislike however is an entire occupation being painted with a very broad brush, with the assumption that because a photographer takes pictures of women they want to have sex with those women ... or ... that if they did, there would be something wrong with that.

I like to take pictures of cars, but that doesn't mean I want to drive them. On the other hand, if I did and the car was up for it I don't think it should matter that I took it's picture first.

Imageography wrote:
Every time I shoot I have to deal with this.

Maybe it's my fat roly poly hairy stomach, or my short height, or my age (51 is golden you know) , maybe it's that face only a mother can love.

Regardless, it might be my putrid smell, but those damn models won't stop hitting on me.

All I want is nice pictures, and they just want to get me in a compromising position.

I have not broken down, I have not slept with any of them, no matter how hard they try. I have my dignity you know.


Seriously though? Model -> photographer     never Woman -> Man for me.. Been that way for over 28 years.

+ 1000 !!

MartaBrixton wrote:
From the other hand- I had a shoot with a really cute and hot photographer and I was really horny because he was sooo sexy and the way he was looking at me was just tooo much! So I wanted to see him again one day and go for a drink but then he said he has a wife so obviously didn't happen

So just as long as the photographer is cute and they are lucky enough to proposition you when you happen to be horny, it's OK in your books? Can't have it both ways sister. Either it's OK for the photographer to hit on you or it's not.

Mark C Smith wrote:

So just as long as the photographer is cute and they are lucky enough to proposition you when you happen to be horny, it's OK in your books? Can't have it both ways sister. Either it's OK for the photographer to hit on you or it's not.

Not same situation, she is describing.

On the one hand we've been saying the quid-pro-quo situation is wrong. You do this and then I'll get you work.

Other hand, second situation, she's attracted, she reads that he is, too. She asks - polite thing to do - she'd like to see him again socially. He answers politely.

Do you see a difference? No promises, no threats.

If guy #1 had asked same question she did of guy #2 and he likewise answered politely - would there even be this thread?

-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:

You mean, like Terry Richardson?


Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

+2

Or Jarmo Pohjaniemiand and Mary Alejo?

the lonely photographer wrote:
don't shit where you eat

Generally, pretty good advice.

I'm wondering whether after asking the photographer out, she ever shot with him again. Cuz it sounds like - maybe she omitted something - but sounds like she blew off the professional part of the relationship and was more interested in him to date.

These things do happen and they sometimes work out.

But more often than not, they don't. And that's why so many businesses have no-dating, non-fraternization policies. The sexual harassment laws have a lot to do with it. Used to be, when the relationship went south, the two would feel uncomfortable working together and one would leave - usually the one making the lesser money, the woman.

While that wasn't great for the company, it's even worse now.

Now it goes south and one party - usually the woman - charges sexual harassment.

So, if you're attracted, there are two things you've got to think about - the dating part, and the professional part. I'd feel kind of put off if someone wanted to date me but didn't give a damn about working with me again.

Not saying it's wrong -- just wondering from op how the professional part went with guy #2.

There have been many successful intimate photographer/model relationships: Jean Shrimpton and David Bailey; Twiggy and Justin; Janice Dickinson, Lee Miller. It's not always wrong or always unprofessional.

CJ Standish  wrote:

Not same situation, she is describing.

On the one hand we've been saying the quid-pro-quo situation is wrong. You do this and then I'll get you work.

Other hand, second situation, she's attracted, she reads that he is, too. She asks - polite thing to do - she'd like to see him again socially. He answers politely.

Do you see a difference? No promises, no threats.

If guy #1 had asked same question she did of guy #2 and he likewise answered politely - would there even be this thread?

If the first guy had looked like the second guy and she was horny...there wouldn't be a thread.

Mark C Smith wrote:

If the first guy had looked like the second guy and she was horny...there wouldn't be a thread.

Excuse me, can you remind me when we met? Because it seems like you know me so well that you can predict my reactions.
No, I wouldn't sleep with the first photographer even if he was hot, because:
a) I was a virgin
b) I could never sleep with somebody who promises me things for that cuz it would make me feel like I'm selling myself
c) I don't sleep wiv people Ive just met- I like to get to know the person first
d) I don't like mixin business wiv private life- it supposed to be a paid shoot

Do you get it now or still not?

MartaBrixton wrote:
Photographers- do you ever get horny during a shoot? You have seen sooo many beautiful women so probably not, just asking anyway.

I used to when I was younger (in my 20's), but over the years I've become so desensitised to nudity that it is no longer an issue for me.  A girl has to turn me on with her mind rather than her body.

Even though I felt myself getting excited during some shoots in my younger days, I always kept myself under control.

I've never slept with a model, but I did ask a couple of models out whom I really liked but they declined.

Christoper Ross wrote:

OK, first off ... a model isn't a co-worker or an employee. They are at most a supplier or contractor, and secondly the idea of sleeping with co-workers is almost universally accepted. Hense, the reason the quick office shag was invented.

What bugs be about threads like these is the perception that male photographers are taking advantage of female models, perpetuating a stereotype that women are victims in an ongoing and one sided battle to get into their pants.

Women like to get laid just as much as men. If they're both adults, and they're both into it, then why are people so uptight about it?

I think that's a naive perspective.

1.  Generally speaking, the photographer is going to be male and older and the model is going to be female and younger.  Not true all the time but true most of the time.  So we're talking about a 40-50 year old man propositioning a 20 year old woman in many cases.

2.  All things aren't equal in this case.  The woman is in a position (if she's in lingerie, posing nude or in provocative clothing) where it's easy for a uninformed individual to assume "well, if she's posing nude she must be horny".  Which is about as true as saying "well, if he photographs nude women, that must mean he shoots porn and is a pervert."  Quite simply, there's a context issue here.  Propositioning a woman in a pickup singles bar is a very different context than propositioning a woman who's posing and has possibly had to change or adjust clothing in front of you or get naked.  For the model-photographer arrangement to work, it requires a certain degree of trust from both parties.  On the model's part, it means she has to trust that the photographer isn't some perv, that he isn't going to slip something in the water, and that the working climate will be appropriate for good results.  That lack of trust is why some models insist on escorts.  Or feel like they have to post in their profiles "this is not a dating site" or "I'm married!".

Ed

afplcc wrote:

I think that's a naive perspective.

1.  Generally speaking, the photographer is going to be male and older and the model is going to be female and younger.  Not true all the time but true most of the time.  So we're talking about a 40-50 year old man propositioning a 20 year old woman in many cases.

2.  All things aren't equal in this case.  The woman is in a position (if she's in lingerie, posing nude or in provocative clothing) where it's easy for a uninformed individual to assume "well, if she's posing nude she must be horny".  Which is about as true as saying "well, if he photographs nude women, that must mean he shoots porn and is a pervert."  Quite simply, there's a context issue here.  Propositioning a woman in a pickup singles bar is a very different context than propositioning a woman who's posing and has possibly had to change or adjust clothing in front of you or get naked.  For the model-photographer arrangement to work, it requires a certain degree of trust from both parties.  On the model's part, it means she has to trust that the photographer isn't some perv, that he isn't going to slip something in the water, and that the working climate will be appropriate for good results.  That lack of trust is why some models insist on escorts.  Or feel like they have to post in their profiles "this is not a dating site" or "I'm married!".

Ed

Ed, 40 year old men have relationships with 20 year old women all the time. It's not unique to the photographer/model relationshop and it's not instigated by the man any more often than by the woman, in or out of a studio setting.

Personally, I don't date models (old, fat, married) but sex between men and women is normal, natural, and totally fine. You're not their gynaecologist, you're a photographer

Fotografica Gregor wrote:
In my opinion, this guy was just trying to manipulate you  - very "old school" and very deplorable.  *loser*.

+1

Someone asked about the age of consent in Poland.  A quick google says 15 for sexual consent and 18 for simple majority.

HOWEVER... (article 197):Paragraph 1: Polish Penal Code
"Whoever, with use of force, threat or ruse, induces an other person to have sexual intercourse,
may be punished with imprisonment from 1 to 10 years. "

If I were a prosecuting attorney and wanted to jail this guy (assuming it happened in Poland), I would definitely consider the first photographers behavior either a threat or a ruse.  Either way, 1 to 10 years.

As to the other, regarding getting horny regarding someone you are working with:
Chemistry is chemistry.  If your body likes his chemicals; pheremones, etc, then a very strong attraction can be felt with little if any other provocation.  Same thing for neurology.  A face may be the exact configuration your brain is looking for in a mate.  It is biology.  Ultimately, we are evolved to reproduce.  It is what we do.

That doesnt mean we give in to it, if the situation is inappropriate, as with your married photographer.  But "feeling" the attraction?  Perfectly normal.

My two cents.  YMMV

MartaBrixton wrote:
Sleeping with photographers

Please inform me ahead of time, so I can bring my vitamin V with me.