Sirensong wrote:
This..will..not..end..well.

Why?

MartaBrixton wrote:
Hi there!

I've got some questions for ya.

Have you ever slept with a photographer?
Have you ever got any offers?
Have you ever felt like you want to during the shoot?
Is that a common thing or not really?

I'm asking because once I had a paid shoot for a calendar and photographer suggested that I should sleep with him after the shoot. I felt really offended, cursed him badly and left. After that he sent me an email saying that I don't know the industry and I won't achieve anything, I'm just a kid and it's not for me, he wanted to promote me but I act like a virgin and also he said all models that he promoted slept with him and they are big now. I didn't get pictures and money, was really pissed off because I had to travel far and he treated me like a hoe. That made me think- is it really that common? Because I consider it as prostitution (sleeping with phtographer to get paid) so it's sad what women can do for doe.

From the other hand- I had a shoot with a really cute and hot photographer and I was really horny because he was sooo sexy and the way he was looking at me was just tooo much! So I wanted to see him again one day and go for a drink but then he said he has a wife so obviously didn't happen

Photographers- do you ever get horny during a shoot? You have seen sooo many beautiful women so probably not, just asking anyway.

Have you ever slept with a photographer?
No. 

Have you ever got any offers?
Not directly. 

Have you ever felt like you want to during the shoot?
Also no.

Is that a common thing or not really?
Not among professionals.  (Unless you count Terry Richardson, but I think we can all agree that he doesn't display professional behavior.)

Honestly, it sounds like you ran into a disgusting, unethical, scumbag creeper.  That was highly inappropriate and if you found him on MM you should report him. 

I'm also not sure what your shooting agreement was but it's recommended to get payment agreed upon beforehand, in writing if possible. 

I'm no fashion model poised on the brink of stardom, so I can't say with certainty, but I think you can achieve things in the industry without sleeping with people.  And unless he was Terry Richardson, I highly, highly, highly doubt that anyone he's conned into sleeping with him has gone off and become "big". 

Avoid this guy like the plague.  There are some horror stories here and there, but for the most part people aren't douchebags.  I'm sorry you had this experience. 

And it's your own personal business, but I'd advise against hitting on the photographers, even if they are cute.  I like to try and keep work and my personal life separate.  Simpler that way.  (There are the rare few that meet a spouse via shooting, but those are rare!)

Lanna Barrones wrote:
Honestly, it sounds like you ran into a disgusting, unethical, scumbag creeper.  That was highly inappropriate and if you found him on MM you should report him. 

I'm also not sure what your shooting agreement was but it's recommended to get payment agreed upon beforehand, in writing if possible. 

I'm no fashion model poised on the brink of stardom, so I can't say with certainty, but I think you can achieve things in the industry without sleeping with people.  And unless he was Terry Richardson, I highly, highly, highly doubt that anyone he's conned into sleeping with him has gone off and become "big". 

Avoid this guy like the plague.  There are some horror stories here and there, but for the most part people aren't douchebags.  I'm sorry you had this experience. 

And it's your own personal business, but I'd advise against hitting on the photographers, even if they are cute.  I like to try and keep work and my personal life separate.  Simpler that way.  (There are the rare few that meet a spouse via shooting, but those are rare!)

After that I didn't want any paid shoots because I thought they will ask me to sleep with them so I refused many offers. Now I think I can do it because not everybody is like him but I don't get any offers anymore

What if it's just a TFP shoot? You still wouldn't advice? Because you working together but obviously there is no money out of it, so it's like you do but you don't.

lucystarr wrote:
Babe this is ABSOULUTLY NOT the way this industry works and you should name and shame the creep so other maybe not so head strong girls dont fall in to his trap. That is vile behaviour and please dont let it put you off cos for every creep there are 100 proffesional and considerate togs out there.
Sorry you had to experiance this seedy side to an otherwise fun empowering and profitable industry.
Good luck xxxxxx

Thank you

That happened in Poland, I was young (about 16!!!) and not really experienced, so I didn't know what to do, I didn't report it anywhere but now I know I should have done this.

Also, this guy said I have to change my swim suits in front of him because that's what models have to do normally so he is trying to "help" me and teach me how to be a real model. I said I won't do it. The whole shoot was a joke I was feeling really uncomfortable and he was making comments about my weight all the time (I wasn't fat at that time). But apart of that all my photographers vere really nice and proffesional.

B R U N E S C I wrote:
As in any industry, relationships between co-workers sometimes occur. If it's a spontaneous thing and all parties feel the same way then it's nothing to be worried about. Many famous photographers over the yeas have been married to models they first met at a photo shoot.

However, that said, the guy described in the OP sounds like a typical sleazebag hoping to get lucky by offering to make models 'famous' in return for sexual favours. A well publicised example of this here in the UK just last year was Lee Cropper who assaulted and indecently propositioned multiple models, including some he found via MM, and is now in jail for it.

Marta, if the guy in question is currently on MM then please report him using the CAM function here:-

http://www.ripoffreport.com



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

He isn't, it was in Poland, long time ago I was 16 and he was old. But his pictures were amazing tho.

MartaBrixton wrote:
Hi there!

I've got some questions for ya.

Have you ever slept with a photographer?
Have you ever got any offers?
Have you ever felt like you want to during the shoot?
Is that a common thing or not really?

I'm asking because once I had a paid shoot for a calendar and photographer suggested that I should sleep with him after the shoot. I felt really offended, cursed him badly and left. After that he sent me an email saying that I don't know the industry and I won't achieve anything, I'm just a kid and it's not for me, he wanted to promote me but I act like a virgin and also he said all models that he promoted slept with him and they are big now. I didn't get pictures and money, was really pissed off because I had to travel far and he treated me like a hoe. That made me think- is it really that common? Because I consider it as prostitution (sleeping with phtographer to get paid) so it's sad what women can do for doe.

From the other hand- I had a shoot with a really cute and hot photographer and I was really horny because he was sooo sexy and the way he was looking at me was just tooo much! So I wanted to see him again one day and go for a drink but then he said he has a wife so obviously didn't happen

Photographers- do you ever get horny during a shoot? You have seen sooo many beautiful women so probably not, just asking anyway.

This thread will have all kinds of reactions and attacks. There are people the feel there is some sort of professional line that should never be crossed. I believe what two adults consensually do between each other is no one's damn business but their own.

I live life with passion and do not make ridiculous rules to restrict the experiences I can have in my life that I might desire. And those that feel differently can live their life how the choose and I'll live mine the way I choose.

That being said I believe that you should always treat others with respect and that the work comes first. What the photographer did in your first example was totally out of line, disrespectful and unprofessional and completely unacceptable.

In the second example if thy guy was not married and you both wanted to have sex, date, etc... I see no problem with it at all. I have a rule I never hit on a model when I'm shooting her, if she want's to take it to the next level I assume she'll let me know.

I'm friends with some of my models and hang out with them, I have gone out with some, and in all cases it was mutual, no bargaining or propositioning, just natural chemistry and and generally they make the first move or drop innuendos or leave  an opening for me to ask them out, etc...

None of it has any bearing on who I choose to shoot or my work. The girl I have been seeing lately I have never even photographed. And girls I choose for photoshoots I choose for artistic purposes not for dating/sex. If the line is naturally and mutually crossed and goes that way after we get the work done that to me is no different that any other job, and most people hookup or date people they meet in work environments, regardless of company policies.

As far as feeling horny I have learned to channel and use that erotic/sexual energy to create my art or bring that energy up to higher energy centers. I learned how to do that when I used to do massage therapy, if you can massage a beautiful nude woman and stay professional and composed taking pictures is no big deal.

But I'm not one of those people that feel nothing and am only thinking about the f-stop or lighting. I'm not that technical. I'm more passion driven. More like a state of Zen with less thought but with feeling, desire and passion all channeled into capturing the perfect shot. It' very hard to explain, but I have had people comment on certain photos saying they could feel it too.

I read a lot of photographers say it would be distracting. I personally feel my images are as good or better the more chemistry/sexual tension/connection/attraction there is because once again I channel that energy into my work. I guess we all have different creative processes.

MartaBrixton wrote:
Hi there!

I've got some questions for ya.

Have you ever slept with a photographer?
Have you ever got any offers?
Have you ever felt like you want to during the shoot?
Is that a common thing or not really?

I'm asking because once I had a paid shoot for a calendar and photographer suggested that I should sleep with him after the shoot. I felt really offended, cursed him badly and left. After that he sent me an email saying that I don't know the industry and I won't achieve anything, I'm just a kid and it's not for me, he wanted to promote me but I act like a virgin and also he said all models that he promoted slept with him and they are big now. I didn't get pictures and money, was really pissed off because I had to travel far and he treated me like a hoe. That made me think- is it really that common? Because I consider it as prostitution (sleeping with phtographer to get paid) so it's sad what women can do for doe.

From the other hand- I had a shoot with a really cute and hot photographer and I was really horny because he was sooo sexy and the way he was looking at me was just tooo much! So I wanted to see him again one day and go for a drink but then he said he has a wife so obviously didn't happen

Photographers- do you ever get horny during a shoot? You have seen sooo many beautiful women so probably not, just asking anyway.

Horny?
No definitely not, there's no time for that kind of thinking.  For me working a shoot is about planning ahead at every stage while maintaining open communication with the model. Sure it can involve a lot of fun and giggles at times, but I believe there's a line that must not be crossed while working.
There have been times when drinks after a job were called for, but only if it's a mutual thing.
This guy you've described sounds like an unprofessional turd and should be exposed for who and what he is, for it's predators like this that give photographers a bad name in general.

hbutz New York wrote:
A photographer who mixes business with pleasure will fail at both.

You mean, like Terry Richardson?





Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

B R U N E S C I wrote:
You mean, like Terry Richardson?





Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

+1 I love how people like to create rules for others. The best thing about Terry is that he lives life on his own terms and is successful!

Just because you can't do it successfully does not mean it's can't be done, only that YOU can't do it.

MartaBrixton wrote:
Hi there!

I've got some questions for ya.

Have you ever slept with a photographer?
Have you ever got any offers?
Have you ever felt like you want to during the shoot?
Is that a common thing or not really?

I'm asking because once I had a paid shoot for a calendar and photographer suggested that I should sleep with him after the shoot. I felt really offended, cursed him badly and left. After that he sent me an email saying that I don't know the industry and I won't achieve anything, I'm just a kid and it's not for me, he wanted to promote me but I act like a virgin and also he said all models that he promoted slept with him and they are big now. I didn't get pictures and money, was really pissed off because I had to travel far and he treated me like a hoe. That made me think- is it really that common? Because I consider it as prostitution (sleeping with phtographer to get paid) so it's sad what women can do for doe.

From the other hand- I had a shoot with a really cute and hot photographer and I was really horny because he was sooo sexy and the way he was looking at me was just tooo much! So I wanted to see him again one day and go for a drink but then he said he has a wife so obviously didn't happen

Photographers- do you ever get horny during a shoot? You have seen sooo many beautiful women so probably not, just asking anyway.

Sure, every model should sleep with their photographer.  But, then again, as I'm getting older, sleep usually means SLEEP

In all seriousness, I have a young daughter who someday may wish to model.  I hope this never happens to her because, if it does, they'll need to make room for me in the state prison.

I agree with Illustrative Arts (in the post above): the photographer needs to be exposed for the garbage that he is.

MartaBrixton wrote:
Hi there!

I've got some questions for ya.

Have you ever slept with a photographer?
Have you ever got any offers?
Have you ever felt like you want to during the shoot?
Is that a common thing or not really?

I'm asking because once I had a paid shoot for a calendar and photographer suggested that I should sleep with him after the shoot. I felt really offended, cursed him badly and left. After that he sent me an email saying that I don't know the industry and I won't achieve anything, I'm just a kid and it's not for me, he wanted to promote me but I act like a virgin and also he said all models that he promoted slept with him and they are big now. I didn't get pictures and money, was really pissed off because I had to travel far and he treated me like a hoe. That made me think- is it really that common? Because I consider it as prostitution (sleeping with phtographer to get paid) so it's sad what women can do for doe.

From the other hand- I had a shoot with a really cute and hot photographer and I was really horny because he was sooo sexy and the way he was looking at me was just tooo much! So I wanted to see him again one day and go for a drink but then he said he has a wife so obviously didn't happen

Photographers- do you ever get horny during a shoot? You have seen sooo many beautiful women so probably not, just asking anyway.

I'm sorry, but no way in hell!
You can make it whether you're getting it off with a photographer or not... and if you are it shouldn't be to promote yourself. You're a model not a prostitute, don't listen to him!

I don't think it's common to sleep with a photographer, I've never done it and to be honest don't plan on it, but I like to keep things professional... Thankfully all of the male photographers I have worked with have been real gentlemen and have never crossed any boundaries! It's just a shame that some guys have to give them all a bad name

All my best,
Kayz

MartaBrixton wrote:
Hi there!

I've got some questions for ya.

Have you ever slept with a photographer?
Have you ever got any offers?
Have you ever felt like you want to during the shoot?
Is that a common thing or not really?

I'm asking because once I had a paid shoot for a calendar and photographer suggested that I should sleep with him after the shoot. I felt really offended, cursed him badly and left. After that he sent me an email saying that I don't know the industry and I won't achieve anything, I'm just a kid and it's not for me, he wanted to promote me but I act like a virgin and also he said all models that he promoted slept with him and they are big now. I didn't get pictures and money, was really pissed off because I had to travel far and he treated me like a hoe. That made me think- is it really that common? Because I consider it as prostitution (sleeping with phtographer to get paid) so it's sad what women can do for doe.

From the other hand- I had a shoot with a really cute and hot photographer and I was really horny because he was sooo sexy and the way he was looking at me was just tooo much! So I wanted to see him again one day and go for a drink but then he said he has a wife so obviously didn't happen

Photographers- do you ever get horny during a shoot? You have seen sooo many beautiful women so probably not, just asking anyway.

About your first story:
Sexual harassment should not be tolerated on any work floor!

About your second:
I find it quite inappropriate to be flirting/being aroused on set. You're a model, models act what they're supposed to be portraying.

And to answer your question:
Have you ever slept with a photographer?
I met my current boyfriend 4 years ago on a quick professional shoot. 3 years ago I bumped into him again and we started dating, unrelated to modeling/photography.

Have you ever got any offers?
I've gone through 2 instances of sexual harrasment, the first when I was very inexperienced and new, the second last year, after which I ended the shoot per direct. However it's always a grey area, sometimes it could be regarded as that, while you attritube it to just clashing personalities for instance.

Have you ever felt like you want to during the shoot?
No, never.

Is that a common thing or not really?
It happens at every professional level, but shouldn't be tolerated imo.

PR Zone wrote:
Friend of mine, photographer, made the 'mistake' of accepting a model's advances.
He soon woke up to the 'wrongness' of the situation when she told him that she now expected all of her retouching and prints for free :-)
Moral?
If you're both single adults, it's up to you...  but beware of the expectation you will create

I only do TFP now so no expectations.
I can't believe she done this, its just sooo wrong...

hbutz New York wrote:
A photographer who mixes business with pleasure will fail at both.

Watched a documentary on Lee Miller yesterday and as a model she seemed to have slept with the majority of her photographers, as a photographer, she seemed to have slept with most of her photographer friends and the rest of Europe.

The movement from photography in the surrealist era to now has shifted a bit, but people haven't evolved quite as much.

Japanese photographer Araki is known to have slept with the majority of his sitters and so on.

Regardless of the industry, sleeping your way to the top is common knowledge and many of those people on either end of the argument have been successful.

MartaBrixton wrote:
Hi there!

I've got some questions for ya.

Have you ever slept with a photographer?
Have you ever got any offers?
Have you ever felt like you want to during the shoot?
Is that a common thing or not really?

I'm asking because once I had a paid shoot for a calendar and photographer suggested that I should sleep with him after the shoot. I felt really offended, cursed him badly and left. After that he sent me an email saying that I don't know the industry and I won't achieve anything, I'm just a kid and it's not for me, he wanted to promote me but I act like a virgin and also he said all models that he promoted slept with him and they are big now. I didn't get pictures and money, was really pissed off because I had to travel far and he treated me like a hoe. That made me think- is it really that common? Because I consider it as prostitution (sleeping with phtographer to get paid) so it's sad what women can do for doe.

From the other hand- I had a shoot with a really cute and hot photographer and I was really horny because he was sooo sexy and the way he was looking at me was just tooo much! So I wanted to see him again one day and go for a drink but then he said he has a wife so obviously didn't happen

Photographers- do you ever get horny during a shoot? You have seen sooo many beautiful women so probably not, just asking anyway.

It does not matter if the request for sex in exchange for networking fast track to fame and fortune (aka the "casting couch") is "standard" in the industry (it's not).  You did the right thing because you stuck to your principles. If you are to be famous and successful you want to do it on your terms otherwise when you arrive at the top it will be an empty feeling of accomplishment because you compromise what makes the core of who you are. Integrity matters.

With that said, if you want to have sex with people you work with, collaborate with  then use your best judgement. I personally think that the percentages that this works out to be a good thing for you are very low and from a reputation standpoint, you begin to wonder if people are hiring you for being a good Model or if they think you are an easy mark to score with (maybe both). Again, no judgment on those that are open to hooking up but personally, I think the chance are that it will hurt you in the long term more than it can help you.

As for being horny at shoots, it happens. It's biological if you are attracted to their look, especially if you have someone that has more to offer then just being pretty. To me the mark of a pro is how they handle that so that the focus of the shoot remains primarily on producing good results. I'm suspect of Photographer that shoots Models and says that it's never happened. I think they are in a very small minority. Again it's how you handle those feelings. It's no different that how you handle sexual attraction in other realms of life. You just have to be true to your personal commitment and maintain the integrity for yourself and the relationships that you care about.

MartaBrixton wrote:

Why?

Sleeping with someone is based on whatever happens, I suppose - but sleeping with them as a condition of employment won't end well. Even if they can get you work - and despite the comments on here, it's often that person can - you won't be respected, because all the casting people will know his/her initiation processes, which will mean you're simply the flavour of the moment.

Terry Richardson is not by any means uncommon - he's simply the most talked about, but the end point's still the same : if somehow it happened because - as you said - you found whomever attractive and they did likewise and etc - it happens, but unless you're looking to be passed around from set to set and from photographer to designer to agent to - what, reporter? - then become noticed for your talent and look.

My Digital Eye wrote:

Watched a documentary on Lee Miller yesterday and as a model she seemed to have slept with the majority of her photographers, as a photographer, she seemed to have slept with most of her photographer friends and the rest of Europe.

The movement from photography in the surrealist era to now has shifted a bit, but people haven't evolved quite as much.

Japanese photographer Araki is known to have slept with the majority of his sitters and so on.

Regardless of the industry, sleeping your way to the top is common knowledge and many of those people on either end of the argument have been successful.

I didn't even read yours before replying - but I'm glad you have an understanding of how it really is. It's funny how people think it doesn't happen - as though there aren't people who use their influence to get what they want in life, and even more so in a sex driven industry, like entertainment (I'm including all of the various branches, because it happens in them all).

Yes, she might actually get work, and build a career...but will she have the means to do it as the 5% who manage to be successful do, or will she fall to the wayside as does the 95%? I can tell you, from first notice, that the 5% wouldn't ask, and they wouldn't tell - they would assess in a business sense the person making the indecent proposal and make the call, themselves.

The ones who will sleep their way up won't ask the general consensus, by virtue of the question.

MartaBrixton wrote:
Hi there!

I've got some questions for ya.

. . . we have some for your too . . .