GCobb Photography wrote:
Am I the only one who acknowledges the possibility of the model being the one dropping hints or making the first move?

Absolutely not, models are just as likely as photographers to find the other attractive. That's why I say I don't think there's anything wrong with a model sleeping with a photographer (or vice versa) in theory but I suspect we can agree that the OP was describing though was really scummy, a typical "I can make you famous if you sleep with me" routine ... and there's no place for that.

Fotografica Gregor wrote:
In my opinion, this guy was just trying to manipulate you  - very "old school" and very deplorable.  *loser*.

AND it is totally unprofessional to use the photographer-model dynamic to attempt to seduce or otherwise hassle models....

YUP.

Amelia Talon wrote:
Yes there a d-bags who will blow smoke up your ass and try to get into your pants, or just blow smoke period. Some of them will actually be reputable and their claims may be truthful, but stick to your guns. Sleeping around will only get you so far.

For the other part of your post, photographers and models are people, if you click with someone then why not. I've heard of many photographers and models dating.. and not for the fame and money. Just make sure the feelings are mutual before you act.

+1 This exactly

MartaBrixton wrote:
Hi there!

I've got some questions for ya.

Have you ever slept with a photographer?
Have you ever got any offers?
Have you ever felt like you want to during the shoot?
Is that a common thing or not really?

I'm asking because once I had a paid shoot for a calendar and photographer suggested that I should sleep with him after the shoot. I felt really offended, cursed him badly and left. After that he sent me an email saying that I don't know the industry and I won't achieve anything, I'm just a kid and it's not for me, he wanted to promote me but I act like a virgin and also he said all llamas that he promoted slept with him and they are big now. I didn't get pictures and money, was really pissed off because I had to travel far and he treated me like a hoe. That made me think- is it really that common? Because I consider it as prostitution (sleeping with phtographer to get paid) so it's sad what women can do for doe.

From the other hand- I had a shoot with a really cute and hot photographer and I was really horny because he was sooo sexy and the way he was looking at me was just tooo much! So I wanted to see him again one day and go for a drink but then he said he has a wife so obviously didn't happen

Photographers- do you ever get horny during a shoot? You have seen sooo many beautiful women so probably not, just asking anyway.

First off, that guy is a douchebag. As far as without holding pay, is there something in the contract saying you will get pay? I'm still new to this so not sure the laws. But you could possibly sue him? I don't know.

And to answer your other questions.

Have I ever slept with a llama? No. Would I? Probably if the chance came up. I probably wouldn't make the first move though. I'm single and young. And it's no different then meeting a random person in bar, store or the beach IMO. Have I been turned on during a shoot? Yeah a bit. If you are attracted to someone and you're in a certain type of setting, who wouldn't be to an extent? It's human nature. But you still gotta keep it professional.

MartaBrixton wrote:
Have you ever slept with a photographer?

I'm in a long-term relationship with one, 3 years, so yes - though we did not become sexually involved until we had known each other for awhile, and had developed a friendship unrelated to shooting.

MartaBrixton wrote:
Is that a common thing or not really?

Strangers whom you've just met, especially in professional contexts, should not be coming onto you (or you onto them) at all. It is, generally, in poor taste and not well-received in most professional circles.

If you meet someone through shooting, then end up developing a relationship with them in your private time, that's your business. Your choice. What legal and consenting adults choose to do in their personal lives is private. Not for anyone else to know about, or judge.

There are people who meet their partners at work (any type of work), who stay together for many years, or for their whole lives, raise families, and it works out just fine for them. There are also people who sort of randomly date people they meet through work, and it damages their reputations, impairs their ability to make sound decisions regarding their work, or at the very least ends up awkward and weird at some point or another.

What you do with your relationships is ... like I said... your business, but no one should be coming on to you. It's sketchy. Establishing appropriate, respectful boundaries is a skill that is not innate for most people; you learn it as you go along.

MartaBrixton wrote:
Hi there!

I've got some questions for ya.

Have you ever slept with a photographer?
Have you ever got any offers?
Have you ever felt like you want to during the shoot?
Is that a common thing or not really?

I'm asking because once I had a paid shoot for a calendar and photographer suggested that I should sleep with him after the shoot. I felt really offended, cursed him badly and left. After that he sent me an email saying that I don't know the industry and I won't achieve anything, I'm just a kid and it's not for me, he wanted to promote me but I act like a virgin and also he said all models that he promoted slept with him and they are big now. I didn't get pictures and money, was really pissed off because I had to travel far and he treated me like a hoe. That made me think- is it really that common? Because I consider it as prostitution (sleeping with phtographer to get paid) so it's sad what women can do for doe.

From the other hand- I had a shoot with a really cute and hot photographer and I was really horny because he was sooo sexy and the way he was looking at me was just tooo much! So I wanted to see him again one day and go for a drink but then he said he has a wife so obviously didn't happen

Photographers- do you ever get horny during a shoot? You have seen sooo many beautiful women so probably not, just asking anyway.

If people were to answer honestly, I am sure some (not all) would answer "yes" to many of your questions.

If you asked the same questions to someone who is a server in the food industry, a lawyer, a psychotherapist, an air traffic controller, a doctor, etc... you would probably get an equal amount of "yes's".  It is human nature.

I will say I think it is a shame that people put these strange restrictions on dating someone they work with, though  I understand if it is company policy.... since having a job is important!   I think it is absolutely fine to meet, date, have sex or marry a person you met at work.  In another life I had another profession.  I met, fell in love and dated a woman for 5 years that was once a client of mine.  There is no way in hell I would ever put some BS policy or idea as more important than my real feelings.

MartaBrixton wrote:
Hi there!

I've got some questions for ya.

Have you ever slept with a photographer?
Have you ever got any offers?
Have you ever felt like you want to during the shoot?
Is that a common thing or not really?

I'm asking because once I had a paid shoot for a calendar and photographer suggested that I should sleep with him after the shoot. I felt really offended, cursed him badly and left. After that he sent me an email saying that I don't know the industry and I won't achieve anything, I'm just a kid and it's not for me, he wanted to promote me but I act like a virgin and also he said all llamas that he promoted slept with him and they are big now. I didn't get pictures and money, was really pissed off because I had to travel far and he treated me like a hoe. That made me think- is it really that common? Because I consider it as prostitution (sleeping with phtographer to get paid) so it's sad what women can do for doe.

From the other hand- I had a shoot with a really cute and hot photographer and I was really horny because he was sooo sexy and the way he was looking at me was just tooo much! So I wanted to see him again one day and go for a drink but then he said he has a wife so obviously didn't happen

Photographers- do you ever get horny during a shoot? You have seen sooo many beautiful women so probably not, just asking anyway.

GCobb Photography wrote:
And it's quite possible that a model would get caught up in the moment during a specific shoot.

JerodKeller Photography wrote:
Sounds like a double-standard to me.  You're completely offended and grossed-out when a photographer you're not attracted to hits on you, but it's totally OK for you to hit on/consider sleeping with a "hot" photographer you are attracted to.  It sounds to me like you weren't offended that a photographer implied he wanted to sleep with you, just offended that the photographer wasn't hot enough for you to sleep with but asked anyway. 

Both are equally unprofessional and neither party should be thinking about anything other than the task at hand to create great work.

Actually, one adult being attracted to another and thinking about flirting is NOT the same as the person who has hired a 16 year old to model demanding she have sex with him as a requirement to get paid.

JerodKeller Photography wrote:
It sounds to me like you weren't offended that a photographer implied he wanted to sleep with you, just offended that the photographer wasn't hot enough for you to sleep with but asked anyway.

MartaBrixton wrote:

Why?

Seriously??? Do you even have to ask?

Art of the nude wrote:
Actually, one adult being attracted to another and thinking about flirting is NOT the same as the person who has hired a 16 year old to model demanding she have sex with him as a requirement to get paid.

KC King wrote:
Models and photographers will always date cause it's just like any other work environment.

MartaBrixton wrote:
Hi there!

I've got some questions for ya.

Have you ever slept with a photographer?
Have you ever got any offers?
Have you ever felt like you want to during the shoot?
Is that a common thing or not really?

I'm asking because once I had a paid shoot for a calendar and photographer suggested that I should sleep with him after the shoot. I felt really offended, cursed him badly and left. After that he sent me an email saying that I don't know the industry and I won't achieve anything, I'm just a kid and it's not for me, he wanted to promote me but I act like a virgin and also he said all models that he promoted slept with him and they are big now. I didn't get pictures and money, was really pissed off because I had to travel far and he treated me like a hoe. That made me think- is it really that common? Because I consider it as prostitution (sleeping with phtographer to get paid) so it's sad what women can do for doe.

From the other hand- I had a shoot with a really cute and hot photographer and I was really horny because he was sooo sexy and the way he was looking at me was just tooo much! So I wanted to see him again one day and go for a drink but then he said he has a wife so obviously didn't happen

Photographers- do you ever get horny during a shoot? You have seen sooo many beautiful women so probably not, just asking anyway.

You did the right to walk out.  Is this common?  NO, but it does happen all the time.  Just like the director and producer sleeps with the would be actress. So many couples on MM were sleeping together first before they married.

Modeling career is just like any other careers and situation, you will be hit on.  Learn how to deal with it and focus on what is important to you. 

I am just sayin'

hartcons wrote:
what i've observed is many models are working two jobs to support their musician boyfriend. next life i'm picking up a guitar not a camera. lol.

Ha ha ha!! Totally!! My brother who IS a musician has turned down more models cause he is a loyal monogamist!! So young and foolish!!

KC King wrote:
That being said there is usually a moment when one of the poses does hit me and I do feel a little something, but I just take that as we've done our job and created something arousing.

Erick Prince wrote:
Lets not completely let the OP off the hook here. If the photographer that propositioned her is wrong and unprofessional she was/is as well had the guy she approached wasn't married. The question is would she have slept with him had he propositioned. See many post condemning him as there should be, but not many calling her out.

I didn't know he was married and I haven't done ANYTHING during the shoot, wasn't even flirting . After I just asked him if he wants to go for a drink one day and he told me he is married and thats the end of the story. Where do you see my mistake here??

Moon Pix Photography wrote:
I think it is absolutely fine to meet, date, have sex or marry a person you met at work.

hartcons wrote:
that's how i know i've got the pose i want. the little brain tells me. lol. but usually i don't need to share that with the model. although one time i did say "OMG" when a model arched her back. but we're talking about shooting again so i guess no harm was done. i don't think women mind being appreciated as long as it's not sexual harassment.

it's the paying customers that sometimes get to me. man we've had some hot ones!

regardless, i think it's important to remain professional. you only have one reputation. then again the world being what it is terry richardson seems to be doing just fine.

The models I've worked with are so cool I can totally go "Hey, that's kinda turning me on" but that would be the extent of the conversation. If you don't really know them keep it to yourself. And yes Terry is all his Creepiness seems to be doing just fine.

KonstantKarma wrote:

lol yup yup ..

KC King wrote:
The models I've worked with are so cool I can totally go "Hey, that's kinda turning me on" but that would be the extent of the conversation. If you don't really know them keep it to yourself. And yes Terry is all his Creepiness seems to be doing just fine.

MartaBrixton wrote:
Hi there!

I've got some questions for ya.

Have you ever slept with a photographer?
Have you ever got any offers?
Have you ever felt like you want to during the shoot?
Is that a common thing or not really?

I'm asking because once I had a paid shoot for a calendar and photographer suggested that I should sleep with him after the shoot. I felt really offended, cursed him badly and left. After that he sent me an email saying that I don't know the industry and I won't achieve anything, I'm just a kid and it's not for me, he wanted to promote me but I act like a virgin and also he said all models that he promoted slept with him and they are big now. I didn't get pictures and money, was really pissed off because I had to travel far and he treated me like a hoe. That made me think- is it really that common? Because I consider it as prostitution (sleeping with phtographer to get paid) so it's sad what women can do for doe.

From the other hand- I had a shoot with a really cute and hot photographer and I was really horny because he was sooo sexy and the way he was looking at me was just tooo much! So I wanted to see him again one day and go for a drink but then he said he has a wife so obviously didn't happen

Photographers- do you ever get horny during a shoot? You have seen sooo many beautiful women so probably not, just asking anyway.

(( sigh )) ...

You're asking questions that a woman your age shouldn't have to ask even if only a smidgen of common sense was employed.

1.  Of course some photographers (like some models) sleep with, come onto, grope, make suggestive comments, etc., towards those they're working with, have worked with, and or want to work with.   It's been going on since the beginning of time.  Big deal.  If you're receptive to it great, because you're an adult or at least old enough to use common sense (16, 17 year olds, etc..);  If you're *not* receptive to it, then just walk away and refuse to engage in such type of conversation, and be smart enough not to encourage the idiot by cussing-him-out or any other type of knee-jerk response that makes you look like a dull minded nit, that ceases to act like a lady the instant some guy (or gal) says something you don't like.   Really, it wasn't that big of a deal to even mention.  Welcome to Life.

2.  Some photographers will get horny like some models will and sparks fly, no less common than two people working together in a law office, school district, accounting firm, medical clinic, or any number of places where adults are in contact with each other.  Attraction happens and sex happens... are you really surprised?

3.  Is is common?  Depends on your definition of "common".  Many here will say no, and quip about professionalism, but the bottom line is that it's about as common as as a soft porn model sleeping with a photographer/videographer.  Let's just say industry wide, it isn't "rare", and no less surprising than hearing about a manager sleeping with an administrative assistant.

4.  I think the photographer acted inappropriately, however I think you not getting your photos and getting paid might have been your fault because you didn't do the shoot.  Perhaps you clarified this later in the thread, but by what you wrote here, you were offended, you cussed him out, and you left.  So he didn't have anything to do with you not getting photos or paid, unless he refused to shoot you and do his duty as a photographer by generating photographs and giving you what you were due (photos and or payment) as per contract.  IF the photographer failed in that regard then you have a case, but if you simply ran off due to him offended you then the only thing the photographer is guilty of is acting like a heel.

Assuming there were others present (hair, makeup, assistant, etc.) then you could've done the shoot, got paid, and got photographs after declining his offer of sex.  If there weren't others present, I would have also declined without cussing him out- because once you did that (cussing him out), you began acting like the very type of person you accused him of treating you like in the first place (and I quote you) ....  a  "hoe".

Camerosity wrote:
During a shoot, I'm focused on the shoot. If I allowed myself to be distracted in that way, it would show in the quality of the images. I have a reputation to uphold.

(edit) I did date a few models in a previous life (1970's). But during a shoot, I was still focused on the shoot. There are just too many things a photographer has to keep in mind, watch for, be aware of, etc.

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