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Phil W
Posts: 21
Florence, South Carolina, US
Photographer
Pete Georges
Posts: 48
Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada
God bless America ..........
Model
KelliOnLineGlamourNude
Posts: 2999
Barrie, Ontario, Canada
I've shot at one of our nude beaches multiple times and the other a few times. None of the photographers ever got naked. Clothed people are not welcomed on the beach, yet still, they all kept their clothes on.
Photographer
Eridu
Posts: 623
Boston, Massachusetts, US
I feel threatened by this thread and I am fully clothed.
Artist/Painter
Two Pears Studio
Posts: 3632
Wilmington, Delaware, US
That sucks... I guess sometimes a limo ride home is worth it...
I once rented my studio to a photographer... he brought the model and he started to set up. We all agreed that I would stay and sketch while they shot. (The model agreed a few days before the shoot)
about ten minutes into the set up a second photographer showed up to help with lighting... then about an hour into it... three more photographers showed up. The model was nude and you could see her uncomfortableness in the mounting situation... she got up to get her phone and one of the new photographers came in behind her and started massaging her back. She was doing her best to hold it together... they were all shooting her off the stand and with this guy massaging her back. Finally I freaked and told them all the shoot was over and to get the fuck out of my studio!
I have had a few models behave badly... one spent the whole three hour session telling me about how she was cheating on her boyfriend and how great she was at oral sex. One talked to me about her 12 year old cousin and how she was now a stripper and a prostitute. One brought her mama to the sitting... not so bad, but her mother logged onto my computer and proceeded to print out her parole papers and spent the whole time nagging the model about how she needed to help pay for her legal bills.
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Gennaver wrote:
My agent sent me to a photographer's apartment to do a test shoot and apparently it was going to be a nude test but, they failed to tell me ahead of time so I elected not to do it and left. I also was dropped by the agent too. What kind of agency was that?
I don't know everything about fashion agenies, but I do know a bit, including how different one agency can be from another... but, I never heard of a fashion agency that would require a nude test... unless maybe for accessories...
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Jason Bassett
Posts: 2358
Hollywood, Florida, US
Is his work good? Did you check references? Did he ask you?
I think you have no reason to be offended or feel awkward if those three things are true. Otherwise, It's not really his fault for your sensitivity.
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Darkness Overcomes Me
Posts: 1077
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Why oh why does this shit never happen to me when I model???
I think it would be hilarious and take the tension off if my photographer, male or female, drove me to a nudist location then shot me clothed while they were buck ass naked!!!! LOLZ
WTF???
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Two Pears Studio wrote:
I have had a few models behave badly... one spent the whole three hour session telling me about how she was cheating on her boyfriend and how great she was at oral sex. Why, oh why does that always happen to others and never to me??? 
The closest I got to this was at a shoot for an R&B group, where this one model told me how much she enjoys porn... that's it...
Maybe I am not sexy enough... 
Artist/Painter
Two Pears Studio
Posts: 3632
Wilmington, Delaware, US
udor wrote:
Maybe I am not sexy enough... I did not say that she gave me oral sex... just talked about it.
I have had quite a few situations like this... and there is no way that anyone is thinking I'm sexy... unless they find scraggly, fat, old artists sexy...
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MesmerEyes Photography
Posts: 3102
Galveston, Texas, US
IBTL
So wait you thought that he would abandon you there. And if you were uncomfortable with him why would you want to ride back with him? Just saying.
Another note. Where the hell is there a nudist lake at around San Antonio?
Photographer
Bravoscape
Posts: 259
Frederick, Maryland, US
He asked if you were OK with it, you had the option to say no.
That said, never done that to a model and wouldn't expect it. I always cover EVERYTHING in advance so there are no surprises.
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 7504
New York, New York, US
Just putting a little "other side" thinking to this situation, OP has shot with this photographer several times before. Often, we think we know people better than we actually do. We interpret (or misinterpret) "signs" and act accordingly. This sounds like one of those misinterpretations.
The question of nudity is a very dangerous bog here. I've had models who were quite comfortable shooting nudes with me but became uncomfortable with my wife assisting me. Conversely, I've had models who wouldn't shoot even down to the level of lingerie unless my wife was there. And there are literally thousands of "No Nudes/Touch-Me-Not" models who do full body paint or bondage or who are fine with nudity so long as they are anonymous. Circumstances do very much alter cases.
The folks who've said, "You should have spoke up," are correct. The first time we shoot, the model and I specifically agree to do just that the instant either of us says or does anything that makes the other uncomfortable--no holding back, no "sucking it up". In this case, I think the problem could have been solved by the OP doing so and might have been avoided altogether if both parties had discussed the project more fully. Apologies are due all around.
All IMHO, as always.
Model
Jen B
Posts: 4474
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:
I shot with him many times prior with no behavior like this . >??<
And now you are calling him a perv? edit: something doesn't seem right... If he was nude at a nudist beach and you told him it was okay...and you know him well enough from having shot with him "many" times.
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Ed Woodson Photography
Posts: 2644
Savannah, Georgia, US
Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:
There won't be an answer, If I SAID WHERE we went IT'S OUTING, Sorry. Telling who is outing. Telling where is not.
Just about everybody who lives in Texas knows that Lake Travis is a clothing optional place.
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12117
Tampa, Florida, US
And...and...and...one time...when I was uh...at band camp...
On an unrelated note, I love a good piece of fiction as much as the next guy but rarely do I like sequels.
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Dan K Photography
Posts: 5581
STATEN ISLAND, New York, US
Gennaver wrote:
>??<
And now you are calling him a perv? That seems wrong to me. If he was nude at a nudist beach and you told him it was okay...and you know him well enough from having shot with him "many" times. so if I had the pleasure of shooting with you several times and on the 3rd time while you changing I got naked but after you have seen me naked I say "you don't mind right"? You do not think that would be crossing a line?
It's like people lose there minds in every kelly thread.
Model
BeatnikDiva
Posts: 14859
Fayetteville, Arkansas, US
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 11735
Olney, Maryland, US
Without pictures, it never happened.
Model
JessieLeigh
Posts: 2109
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Anna Adrielle wrote:
you could have said "actually to be honest, I wasn't aware this was a nudist beach, I'm sorry. Could you maybe put some clothes on for our shoot, I'm not entirely comfortable with this" you know... why didn't you? This would have been the mature, ADULT thing to do.
Next time, act your age, and do the adult thing.
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12117
Tampa, Florida, US
Averaging 2 threads/day for months, the majority of which are "crossing the line" threads, when does the OP find time to perform shoots, let alone encounter so many that involve unwanted behavior by the photographer?
Superhuman time management skills.
Model
Jen B
Posts: 4474
Phoenix, Arizona, US
udor wrote:
What kind of agency was that?
I don't know everything about fashion agenies, but I do know a bit, including how different one agency can be from another... but, I never heard of a fashion agency that would require a nude test... unless maybe for accessories... Hello Udor,
I don't remember their name because I didn't stay with them at all.
If only my younger self had my mature self mindset! I would have beelined it back to the agency the next day to talk.
The fact that they were located on the "Magnificent Mile" sort of legitimized them to me but, I really think it was just an 'agent' renting an office there. She had me show up to the office to meet her and for her to see me and to get the address of the photographer after business hours, (I think it was before 6 pm though.) Heck, maybe she was just a clerk who was just helping out a photographer to find someone. Thing is, if she's have told me ahead of time and not just spring it on me, maybe things would have went differently.
I was younger and busy working as a waitress and housecleaner and making ends meet and just didn't pursue beyond that.
Late lessoned learned. 'NOW' I want to give it a shot though, That was in the mid 90's
Jen
p.s. I used to have a picture from that time up in my port but, folks replied to it as if it was current and NOPE.
p.p.s. once I did get signed by a reputable agency but, they seemed to just 'bench' me for the spring shows in Chicago,;( Aria agency...that was another lesson learned, 'no to exclusivity if there is no work from them!'
Model
Luna Diosa
Posts: 13242
Elizabeth, New Jersey, US
Anna Adrielle wrote:
you could have said "actually to be honest, I wasn't aware this was a nudist beach, I'm sorry. Could you maybe put some clothes on for our shoot, I'm not entirely comfortable with this" you know... why didn't you? ^ This if you had a problem speak up don't lie only person who could have stopped him was you
Model
Jen B
Posts: 4474
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Dan K Photography wrote:
so if I had the pleasure of shooting with you several times and on the 3rd time while you changing I got naked but after you have seen me naked I say "you don't mind right"? You do not think that would be crossing a line?
It's like people lose there minds in every kelly thread. Hi,
If I shot with you "many" times and we were at a nudist beach and you got nude...I would honestly tell you how I felt about it and not lie and later call you a perv. If I though you were a perv I would not tell you it was okay...especially so if I shot with you "many" times and we knew each other.
Jen
p.s. edit, however, I don't like how my intitial reply reads...it sounds like I am blaming her, when I don't like that, (going to edit that one.)
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Eye of the World
Posts: 1396
Corvallis, Oregon, US
Michael Pandolfo wrote:
Averaging 2 threads/day for months, the majority of which are "crossing the line" threads, when does the OP find time to perform shoots, let alone encounter so many that involve unwanted behavior by the photographer?
Superhuman time management skills. And let us not forget that she is (according to her profile) *40* years old. One would think she would have learned a few things for avoiding those situations (if true) by now.
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Supermodel Photographer
Posts: 3309
Oyster Bay, New York, US
Michael Pandolfo wrote:
Averaging 2 threads/day for months, the majority of which are "crossing the line" threads, when does the OP find time to perform shoots, let alone encounter so many that involve unwanted behavior by the photographer?
Superhuman time management skills. Michael, I thought the whole point of becoming a model or photographer was to join MM in order to complain in the Forums.
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Chuckarelei
Posts: 11271
Seattle, Washington, US
Photographer
Chuckarelei
Posts: 11271
Seattle, Washington, US
Michael Pandolfo wrote:
Averaging 2 threads/day for months, the majority of which are "crossing the line" threads, when does the OP find time to perform shoots, let alone encounter so many that involve unwanted behavior by the photographer?
Superhuman time management skills. Yup.
I would like to see the photos (end results) from those problematic, cross-the-line shoots.
Model
Luna Diosa
Posts: 13242
Elizabeth, New Jersey, US
Michael Pandolfo wrote:
![https://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s653/mpandophoto/Photographer-WOF_zps8d9853b7.jpg]() Lmao  this is great!
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FiveOne November
Posts: 174
West Palm Beach, Florida, US
Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:
Yes it does, the lake has 2 names. As long as they didn't get there on a horse with no name...(I'm here all week...tip your waiter)
My first thought (a silly one) was that maybe there's something exotic and uncommon about shooting photos of a woman completely clothed at a nudist resort. Sort of a reversal, if you will.
But I do think that Kelly Anne-Marie and other models (and photogs) should all be very comfortable being straight about what they are and are NOT comfortable doing. To be surprised on location or in studio is not fair to either party. In Kelly Anne-Marie's case, maybe the presence of an escort would have given her the backbone to say, "this is not professional" and tell the photog she wasn't comfortable with it.
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Herman Surkis
Posts: 10856
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Darkness Overcomes Me wrote:
Why oh why does this shit never happen to me when I model???
I think it would be hilarious and take the tension off if my photographer, male or female, drove me to a nudist location then shot me clothed while they were buck ass naked!!!! LOLZ
WTF??? Never happen.
Where is the photographer supposed to carry all the bits and bobs. (pun intended, go for it).
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john_ellis
Posts: 4375
Spokane, Washington, US
Herman Surkis wrote:
Never happen.
Where is the photographer supposed to carry all the bits and bobs. (pun intended, go for it). ![https://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2009/12/95%20The%20Phanny%20Pack%20Really%20Makes%20This.jpg]()
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805 Photographer
Posts: 78
Ventura, California, US
Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:
This thread isn't a "Judge Me" thread...please reread the body of the thread and respond only to the questions asked or leave, Thanks.  Epic. You do something completely moronic, and then get butt-hurt when everyone here tells you how to PREVENT something like this from happening, and how to be HONEST about it when it does happen.
Beyond that I'm not sure what you should do. Maybe lobby the powers that be at MM to create a GWC or Pervert category so those types can select it and then you'll know ahead of time what you're dealing with.
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Shot By Adam
Posts: 8098
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Alan Balllinger wrote:
Epic. You do something completely moronic, and then get butt-hurt when everyone here tells you how to PREVENT something like this from happening, and how to be HONEST about it when it does happen.
Beyond that I'm not sure what you should do. Maybe lobby the powers that be at MM to create a GWC or Pervert category so those types can select it and then you'll know ahead of time what you're dealing with. Oh, the plot thickens! A little birdie on the wall has told me that she actually did multiple shoots with the same photographer after the incident in question actually happened. I'd like to hear her response to this.
I'd email her this question but the OP sent me a nasty email with numerous insults in it and then blocked me so, well, I can't.
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Vincent Arthur
Posts: 901
Red Bank, New Jersey, US
To answer the OP's question, the only photographer who ever made me uncomfortable during a shoot if the one who showed up unannounced as an llama herder.
To comment, the photographer sucks a communication, and so apparently does the OP. OP says she shoots nudes. She should have charged her nude shoot rate and taken her clothes off at the lake. I bet the photographer would have gladly paid.
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salvatori.
Posts: 4288
Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica
Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:
Times like this is when I wish I did bring an escort.
I had a shoot with a photographer that asked me to do a shoot at a lake which I agreed to, unknowingly that it was a nudist lake. He talked of this lake in the past but called it by it's other name which, by that name he told me was a nudist lake.
We went to this lake together in his car (which the lake was a few hours away), my suitcase of clothes and all! Nothing was mentioned about it being a nudist lake all the way there. We got to go parking lot of the lake and I grabbed my suitcase of clothes and we started to the lake, when I seen a naked man walking by! I said "WTF!?" and the photographer said "Oh, this is _________ ____________ .", Which by that name I knew was a nudist lake. I figured to stay calm and just model in clothes since I didn't agree to a nude shoot.
Everything was fine when I told him that I was goig to go get dressed for the shoot. When I got done dressing I met up with him at the shoot location to find him NUDE! He said "Are you o.k. with this?". Well, I figured I had no choice but to say "Sure.", since he was my ride and I couldn't walk hours back to my town. Anyway, I felt very uncomfortale during the WHOLE shoot with a "BUTT NAKED" photographer!!!
Are there times a photographer made you feel uncomfortale?, If so does it happen often? How do you handle it?
P.S. I shot with him many times prior with no behavior like this . Penthouse Forum Light. The Prologue.
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Amaan Imam
Posts: 2
Delhi, Delhi, India
Cole Morrison wrote:
He ASKED you if you were ok with it. It was YOUR choice to say you were ok with it when you were not. In the future do not lie and put yourself in situations where you arent comfortable. Say "NO I'm not comfortable with this" even if it means ending a shoot.
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William Kious
Posts: 8842
Delphos, Ohio, US
Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:
This thread isn't a "Judge Me" thread...please reread the body of the thread and respond only to the questions asked or leave, Thanks. It's somewhat difficult not to judge when you placed yourself into the situation. Most rational people will only travel hours away from home with close friends and/or family.
Always have an alternate means of getting home.
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