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Warning! Rant about Escorts
Models! Please do not be surprised if I refuse to work with you again after I prematurely ended a shoot with you before, because your escort got in the way of the shoot. You can plead your case that, "It's not [your] fault!", because it is. You chose to bring the escort, you picked who the escort was going to be, and you allowed him to interfere with the shoot after I specifically told you he was interfering. Remember, you are responsible for your escort's actions. Everything they do, is also on you. End of rant. Mar 28 13 10:46 am Link Good to know Mar 28 13 10:49 am Link I understand why an amateur would bring an escort in this day and age of Internet safety, but the practice of having escorts (particularly boyfriends, etc.) is not a professional action for adult models. It's not tolerated by the most serious photographers. I allow escorts currently, but I will probably be changing that in the future. Mar 28 13 10:56 am Link Francisco Castro wrote: And YOU chose to allow one. Mar 28 13 10:58 am Link Francisco Castro wrote: Why don't you message the model this directly instead of posting a thread. We are not the model in question so telling us does absolutely nothing. Mar 28 13 11:09 am Link I still know super experienced and super pro photographers that allow escorts. Though they don't tend to be active on MM. But while I'm not much for escort or rant threads, I think this IS important--if you decide to bring someone with you, they are then your liability. Even if you personally do nothing wrong, if they mess up it's on you. So, if you're a model and you decide you need someone with you at shoots, choose very wisely. Mar 28 13 11:10 am Link Francisco Castro wrote: How did the escort interfere? How do escort's usually interfere? I am preparing to hire a string of models and some of these prospective models have mentioned bringing escort's. Should I take on a policy of no escort's? Mar 28 13 11:12 am Link I rarely have a model tell me they're bringing an escort, they often just show up with one. It's usually just a friend who came along for the ride, and I usually put them to work. Never really had a problem with one. I did cancel a shoot when the model informed me they'd be arriving with their "manager" and "assistant". This was someone with only cell pics. Mar 28 13 11:13 am Link K I C K H A M wrote: If a model needs someone with her then I don't need the model. Fortunately I have not had this problem. Mar 28 13 11:13 am Link i was asked for a recommendation and highly recommended a model to another photographer. he wound up ending the shoot after 15 minutes because her escort got on his nerves (whereas i found the guy very helpful). i've never had a major problem with escorts (pretty much anything goes with us) but i'm aware that others have. we've had a few boyfriends where we were a little unsure but in one case they hadn't had any sleep and were just tired. and there are possible strategic reasons for not allowing escorts. generally i find the more experienced models don't have escorts. anyway, think you make a good point. the model should be careful about her choice of escort when working with photographers who allow them. it probably only takes one bad experience and that photographer won't allow them any more. Mar 28 13 11:18 am Link Jerry Nemeth wrote: While that may be the case, and while it may not be popular in MM forums, here are plenty of models that require escorts, and plenty of photographers that allow them. Mar 28 13 11:20 am Link we've done maybe 75 model shoots and we still allow escorts. for the most part i've found them helpful and we just haven't had any major problems. we've had mom and son babysit our studio while we were out shooting daughter nearby. we work with a lot of more casual models and their family probably hears all the negative things about internet modeling on the news. as for being a frequent forum poster i think i need an intervention on that. lol. i've seen advice that not allowing escorts will get you a more reliable model who is more likely to show up. but as you mentioned at the beginning when we're unknown it's not like we get to call the shots and more experienced models may not be available unless you pay them. and we've had some very experienced models (100+ shoots) show up with an escort. so it's only partly true that experienced photographers and models don't allow/use escorts. K I C K H A M wrote: Mar 28 13 11:25 am Link Francisco Castro wrote: I'll make sure to inform CNN, MSNBC and FOX News to ensure no one misses out on this highly riveting breaking news. Mar 28 13 11:25 am Link fail Mar 28 13 11:27 am Link veypurr wrote: Your policy is your choice. Mar 28 13 11:27 am Link K I C K H A M wrote: I understand what you are saying. I don't need any possible problems I just want to have a good shoot. If other photographer want to risk having an escort it's their problem. I have been fortunate to work with great problem free models. Mar 28 13 11:28 am Link I allow escorts. Sometimes it works out fine, sometimes it does not. When it goes south, I just write it off and move onto the next model. I understand all the reasons why photographers don't want them. Generally it isn't a problem, but when it is, it can be a real problem. On the other hand, there are a lt of models that I want to work with. I don't want to be forced to pass because there is a chance there will be a problem. So, I just don't worry about it. When it goes bad, it goes bad. On balance, I regret it far less often than I do. Mar 28 13 11:35 am Link GPS Studio Services wrote: You need a constant flow of models more than I do. It is no problem for me to pass. So far I have not needed to pass. Mar 28 13 11:39 am Link K I C K H A M wrote: I agree with you not being able to focus. A model I shot recently brought her grandmother who did not physically interfere ( and spoke almost no english) but did give me dirty looks the entire time and it was distracting. Also I felt the model made sure that she did not do anything (too sexy) as to not offend her grandmother. Mar 28 13 11:39 am Link GPS Studio Services wrote: How are the common ways that it goes south? Mar 28 13 11:42 am Link OP, I dunno. I see your point. I probably wouldn't want to shoot with her again either. Oh the other hand I take it she did reach out to you and ask to shoot again, so imho it depends how she worder it. If it was very matter of fact, when do you want to reschedule, then I would blow it off. But if she was apologetic & sorry they wasted your time & she would come again without said guy, then I would think about it. I had a girl flake on me a couple months ago. She was from outta state & had another 3 hour gig earlier that day but wanted more to piggyback with it, and I was also a paying gig. So sure enough I get a call, she's tired, had a long shoot, and thinks she'll be back in town a few months later. Whatever, I just said ok bye. Sure enough I get a message a few weeks later about "Hey, let's reschedule this when I'm back in town so I can officially put you on my books" or something?? WTF, was my previously scheduled paying gig not officially on her books??! I just blew it off and never wrote back. Mar 28 13 12:52 pm Link NOTICE: Escorts must remain in the waiting room until the shoot is completed  Studio36 Mar 28 13 01:24 pm Link Mar 28 13 01:45 pm Link -B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote: I recently shot a young lady who is 17. I asked her to bring a member of her family or a female friend to the shoot -- specifically not a BF. She brought her dad along and because of her age I am fine with that. Mar 28 13 01:53 pm Link OH PLEASE! NOT ANOTHER llama herder THREAD!!!!!!!! In my World, there is no such thing as an "llama herder!" Always it is an "invited guest" or an "uninvited guest!" Photographers and models need to discuss this among themselves. Don't bring someone to a shoot without asking first. Communication is key to success! If you are so lazy that you don't check out references, talk on the phone or do any number of things to help you overcome your fear of other people, then you should not force yourself to shoot models OR pose as a model. Find another hobby. Get real! Now if you wish to invite a guest because that person will help with make up, hair, lighting, carrying gear for the photographer and/or model, or just be there giving you a boost of confidence, THEN we can discuss that person(s) being there. I've shot with models who prefer that I be the only other person in the room, and I've shot with models who are fired up by an audience. I'm great either way as I have no problem with concentration, and I enjoy directing people. I manage my shoots. I resolved the "llama herder" issue long ago. Mar 28 13 02:04 pm Link Karl Johnston wrote: People fail. People fail to communicate properly before a photo shoot because they think that the other person should know and trust them based on exchanging a few emails or text messages. People fail because they are afraid to speak to other people on the phone, or to actually meet someone at a coffee shop before committing to a shoot. I do everything I can to build trust. I rarely have any problems with uninvited guests or models flaking on me. Mar 28 13 02:11 pm Link The Signature Image wrote: In the past, I've shot with MANY teenagers! Some accompanied with a chaperone, and some by themselves. In 30 years time ... never had a problem. Mar 28 13 02:15 pm Link veypurr wrote: I could do a book on how but I'll start with a few examples. I had a shoot where a model brought her man and assorted pals. Things were going fine until said man jumped out of his car to announce his girls dress was too see through. I stopped the shoot. Another time a model brought her ex. there was tension between them and her mood soured as the shoot went on. Models who have brought girlfriends have been a pain as well. Take it from me. Have them dropped off and picked up later. You'll avoid some hassles, thefts and other bs that way. I did a group shoot in Texas at South Padre Is. Three models who each brought a friend and one brought three. We looked like a circus as we drove around. Mar 28 13 03:34 pm Link Yet another llama herder thread... Yawn. Mar 28 13 03:38 pm Link ontherocks wrote: +100 Mar 28 13 03:41 pm Link An escort is very handy if you're making a human centipede, saves you the work of finding one of the 3 people you need. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/human_centipede/ Mar 28 13 03:50 pm Link When I was a child (back when parents really did some parenting), my mother often warned that I would be judged by the company I kept. If an escort is an a-hole, it definitely says something about the model. Mar 28 13 07:18 pm Link You guys kill me. Like. Put the Escort in the other room. What do when he goes outside, and the neighbors see him trying to peek in the window? It's happend. Next. Send her home. What do you do when the escort gets in your face, and demand she gets paid for the whole session? That's what escorts do, screw it up, then make demands. Or, if for whatever reason, you'd just send the model home. Some guy get's in your face, and demands, she gets paid, for failing to do the job. So. Basically, you just set yourself up, for a democratic vote, and you are going to get outvoted, 2 to 1. What she does, what she wears, how she poses, and well, Everything. They also vote, that no matter what your agenda, or what you get to, or were trying to shoot, They Decide, what she is going to get paid. Or my all time best escort horror story. I showed up at a high class hotel next to a park, and the models BF, decided to do "Donuts," with his truck, on the hotels groomed, sodded, backyard, while they were waiting. Second place, goes to the Escort, who showed up a week later, saying the Dallas Police Department was going to call me, and please tell them he was supposed to have three pages out of the middle of my checkbook, from my office. Third place goes to the escort, who "Had To Go To The Bathroom," every three minutes, so he could walk by the living room where I was shooting. Unless it's your hot sister, your Milf Mom, or your bi curious roommate. I'll pass. Your mileage may vary. Mar 28 13 09:20 pm Link Francisco Castro wrote: Are you going to be surprised that they don't want to work with you again because they didn't like the pictures from the first shoot? Mar 28 13 09:33 pm Link Fotticelli wrote: I won't when it happens eventually. No photographer is 100% on the ball 100% of the time. Apr 01 13 12:11 pm Link Francisco Castro wrote: An escort is 100% the model's responsibility. I allow them in some cases, but if you run into someone who brings a boyfriend/escort to every shoot they do, you gotta realize you aren't dealing with someone who acts professional or like the responsible type. Even amateurs should act responsibly, but you can't expect it these days I think. All you can really do is put your gear back in your car and go home. Apr 01 13 12:40 pm Link K I C K H A M wrote: That doesn't mean that they aren't the exception rather than the rule. Most of the "super experienced" and "super-pro" shooters that I know do not allow them...and I don't know any models that use them, whether they are active on MM or not. Apr 01 13 12:41 pm Link SitronStudio wrote: Escorts aren't usually a problem until you have a bad experience with one. When your favorite lens "walks away" during an escorted shoot, or the escort threatens you for posing their girlfriend too provocatively, you might re-think your escort policy. SitronStudio wrote: That's usually the type of model that insists on escorts. Apr 01 13 12:47 pm Link You might find you have better results if you hire a professional escort. Sluggo Model Management Escort Service Apr 01 13 12:49 pm Link waiting room.. sit in the car.. send em out ofr coffee n lug your all your shit around n they leave pronto. You ahve to tell em to stay off the set n if not then end the shoot. Apr 01 13 03:31 pm Link |
got in the way of the shoot. 
