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"Why Do Models Refuse Trading w/ Me?"
Latent Images wrote: very well stated in four sentences, and i totally agree. Aug 01 13 11:03 am Link Jersey Shore wrote: Aug 01 13 11:12 am Link kevin bellanger wrote: they say they will trade...then don't reply Aug 01 13 11:13 am Link I give my models the photos the same day. Aug 01 13 11:15 am Link Aug 01 13 11:21 am Link c_h_r_i_s wrote: You wouldn't even have to worry about getting a response back in that instance though, because you as a photographer with height requirements, would probably check for those things before even sending a model a message. Aug 01 13 03:58 pm Link VikyL wrote: It doesn't apply all the time, but the "trade for clothed, pay me for nudes" often comes from models who I wouldn't trade with if they only did clothed. The only chance to benefit MY portfolio is with nudes. Aug 01 13 04:46 pm Link Good list. I didnt read allllll 6 pages of the subsequent thread. I wonder if there's a list to educate models why some photographers turn them down for TF shoots... Aug 01 13 04:58 pm Link Drew Smith Photography wrote: lol...I am gluten intolerant so no cookies for me....grrr. Aug 01 13 05:03 pm Link Art of the nude wrote: I happily trade nudes with amazing photographers, because we get to shoot the clothed that I need, AND we both get to add nudes to our ports....nothing to lose there! Aug 01 13 05:06 pm Link TF is kinda like a finger in the bum when the good doctor tells you your prostate is okay. It is awkward and uncomfortable when you go home and have a couple of hundred photos of a bad amateur model's trout pouts and tacky wardrobe. In the end you are relieved to realize that it would probably hurt your portfolio to post them. Just think of it this way. They did you a huge favor not wanting to shoot with you in the first place. Aug 01 13 05:28 pm Link Antediluvian Design wrote: Like the wiser models, I try to be selective in my trade shoots. If I sit down afterward with 200 crappy shot, odds are very good that I made a mistake somewhere along the way. Aug 01 13 08:38 pm Link That Italian Guy wrote: Yeah, I find it's really all about how good your catering is these days. Aug 01 13 09:02 pm Link Antediluvian Design wrote: During a shoot how long does it take to figure out that something isn't working and takes steps to correct it. Maybe the model doesn't realize she's making a certain type of face. Instead of just continuing to press the shutter in the hopes she'll stop wouldn't showing her on the camera LCD be a better option. Aug 02 13 04:56 am Link Herman Surkis wrote: If it is they won't recognize themselves anyway. Aug 02 13 09:52 am Link i have done trades, inc topless and nude and have had some amazing images back, but that was because the quality of work; i have no qualms about paying someone for a decent update but the quality really needs to be something special; i had to laugh when recently a photographer messaged me, saying he wanted to work with me for a project doing x y z, as he was inexperienced and wanted to improve his portfolio. We had settled on a pay amount, when he shot me a message saying 'this is what you're paying me, yes?' - sure, you're inexperienced, you want to shoot your concept, but you want me to pay you? erm.... It works both ways; with TF I expect to get something I need from it, be it concept or in some cases, networking, publishing etc... and only once out of the few TF shoots ive done have i not regretted it. Ive received terrible images, images with a huge watermark across the whole image, and directions from the photographer as to what he wanted to shoot. What did I learn from it? be very careful with who you trade with. Aug 02 13 10:11 am Link c_h_r_i_s wrote: LMAO! I'm nervous before every single shoot, that's how I know I'm doing it right! But I can't imagine downing so much wine before a shoot! I'd fall off my high heels! lol Aug 02 13 10:22 am Link As a total aside, thanks to everyone! We've managed multiple pages without getting into a tiff and locking this thread up Aug 02 13 02:15 pm Link IDiivil wrote: That is because TIFF's belong in the Photographer forum. Aug 02 13 02:19 pm Link Creative Lion Images wrote: I don't know, you tell me why you feel that when/if you hire a model it's like hiring a prostitute. We're all ears. Aug 02 13 02:48 pm Link Koryn Locke wrote: YES! Whenever I see a 'model was nothing like her port' thread I always wonder if this is the cause. Aug 02 13 02:50 pm Link Learned a lot from this thread! Aug 02 13 02:57 pm Link Great OP and most the post contributed in a positive manner! I nominate it for a sticky! Aug 02 13 06:05 pm Link TwentyStars wrote: Yeah, I've had people with awful, eyeball-bleaching portfolios contact me before, say they want to work with me, absolutely must or their brains will explode, then ask me to pay them. It's pretty excellent. Aug 03 13 06:29 am Link That Italian Guy wrote: No milk? Aug 03 13 06:43 am Link IDiivil wrote: Not sure if I responded to this, so here goes. Aug 03 13 12:13 pm Link To the OP. Take this, add some of the points from here and it is yours. It really does cut both ways and is very useful for both and written in a non-confrontational way. I think they should be in both the model and photographer forums. That way when someone starts whining, we just point them to the thread and we can move on to something useful, like taking pictures. At some point I may add why I won't work with a specific model, but it is pretty much all covered in here. "Your look may not be something that appeals to them. Everybody has their own personal tastes of what they like to photograph. Similar to #1" Perhaps to replace #8? etc. Why a photographer may turn down a test shoot with you: 1. They don't find your work specifically to be helpful to their book. 2. They don't find your concept specifically to be helpful to their book. 3. They don't care about photography and just use it as a way to get money. 4. They don't have much time, so if they have the spare hours, they're going to take paid gigs or take nothing at all. 5. They have too many images already and don't care to have more - either in the genre you are looking to shoot or in general. 6. They don't understand what trade/test is and/or don't see the value in it. A general argument from such an individual would be, "Why would I work for free?" 7. They legitimately cannot tell the difference in quality of images, so they can't tell if you are better/worse than the average. In this case, even if you feel your work is much better than the photographers portfolio, that fact won't matter to them. 9. They love to trade, but maybe your concept infringes upon a boundary they've drawn where it's asking too much for no pay. An example of this is a photographer who would trade for clothed shoots all day, but finds nudity a separate situation and will not work without being financially compensated. 10. Along the line of 9, the photographer is being asked to trade a genre they are completely unwilling to shoot no matter the circumstances. 11. The manner in which the photographer is offered the trade shoot has offended them... and/or the profile, about me, requirements of the person offering the trade shoot turns off the photographer. Even something as simple as not crediting a single photographer in one's portfolio can be of note. 12. The photographer just can't afford to trade no matter what due to their financial situation. 13. The photographer may prefer trading in a situation where makeup/hair/wardrobe/cool location/publication opportunity is offered. 14. The photographer only trades with good friends who they can trust to be reliable/comfortable/fun to work with. Aug 03 13 12:34 pm Link IDiivil wrote: Congratulations! Aug 03 13 12:37 pm Link Michael Zahra wrote: I took the OP, flipped it a little, and there it is. Aug 03 13 12:38 pm Link terrysphotocountry wrote: No! no milk, but the blue pill. After this pill and a few cookies the flicks come out amazing. LOL Aug 04 13 02:19 am Link c_h_r_i_s wrote: LOL. Aug 04 13 03:52 am Link A couple of points: I. This thread is still awesome. II. I just referenced it in another thread and realized something about this list. It doesn't exclusively apply to trade work. These same reasons might turn a model off from a paid shoot, especially if the pay does not outweigh the cons. If a model finds herself ticking off multiple notes on this checklist, and the photographer isn't willing to pay her full rates, then the chance of actually shooting will decline. Sep 09 13 10:50 pm Link |