Photographer
Daren King
Posts: 211
Santa Monica, California, US
I started setting up shoots with the models I got from my casting call.
First girl.....we spoke on the phone and set up a date and time about 1 week before shoot. She was very nice and I told her I would call on the day of shoot 2 hours before shoot just to confirm and make sure it was still a go.
Day of the shoot I call two hours early and no answer. I call 1 hour early, no answer. I call 15 minutes before shoot time and no answer.
Two days later she emails me and says she is a nanny and the family had an emergency and she was really sorry but couldn't make the shoot. I told her I totally understand and its okay and I would love to still work with her.
I asked what other day and time would she be available and I haven't heard back in 9 days.
Second girl I booked was REALLY attractive (if she is reading this she knows who she is). We spoke on phone, we discussed all details. She agreed to shoot implied nudes. One of the things discussed was that we would be shooting in the upstairs floor of my apartment community room but the room was reserved. I told her ONE escort was fine but they had to wait downstairs while we shoot.
She shows up with TWO guys and she tells me "they will stand away from our shot and wont get in the way".
I very begrudgingly said fine.
Just as we were about to start shooting she looks up at the wall and notices two security surveillance cameras. She then informs me that she wont shoot any implied nudes because of the video cameras.
I started packing up my stuff and she says "so do I at least get gas money for my drive out here" ?
My answer was "no"
I have 5 more shoots lined up so hopefully I have better luck.
Photographer
Bare Essential Photos
Posts: 3605
Upland, California, US
Daren King wrote:
I started setting up shoots with the models I got from my casting call.
First girl.....we spoke on the phone and set up a date and time about 1 week before shoot. She was very nice and I told her I would call on the day of shoot 2 hours before shoot just to confirm and make sure it was still a go.
Day of the shoot I call two hours early and no answer. I call 1 hour early, no answer. I call 15 minutes before shoot time and no answer.
Two days later she emails me and says she is a nanny and the family had an emergency and she was really sorry but couldn't make the shoot. I told her I totally understand and its okay and I would love to still work with her.
I asked what other day and time would she be available and I haven't heard back in 9 days.
Second girl I booked was REALLY attractive (if she is reading this she knows who she is). We spoke on phone, we discussed all details. She agreed to shoot implied nudes. One of the things discussed was that we would be shooting in the upstairs floor of my apartment community room but the room was reserved. I told her ONE escort was fine but they had to wait downstairs while we shoot.
She shows up with TWO guys and she tells me "they will stand away from our shot and wont get in the way".
I very begrudgingly said fine.
Just as we were about to start shooting she looks up at the wall and notices two security surveillance cameras. She then informs me that she wont shoot any implied nudes because of the video cameras.
I started packing up my stuff and she says "so do I at least get gas money for my drive out here" ?
My answer was "no"
I have 5 more shoots lined up so hopefully I have better luck. Welcome to Model Mayhem ... LOL
Unfortunately, what you experienced is very common. It's best to contact local models within 2-4 days of the shoot. Those that want, or require, more time are just looking to "play the field" or to bail just before the shoot. If you're persistent, you will find that about 3-5% of the models here are reliable. When you come across them, treat them like priceless gems and shoot them multiple times.
The most important thing to remember is not to count your eggs before they're in the basket.
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Know Idea
Posts: 3000
Los Angeles, California, US
Sounds like . . . . . M/M.
Photographer
Btfineart
Posts: 69
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Well yea - but were you paying her for video nudity vs still implied?
If not your oversight I think.
If the cameras are there she has to assume they are recording and will be used.
Photographer
Daren King
Posts: 211
Santa Monica, California, US
Btfineart wrote:
Well yea - but were you paying her for video nudity vs still implied?
If not your oversight I think.
If the cameras are there she has to assume they are recording and will be used. I was paying her for a shoot that included implied nude. The security cameras were the apartment complex cameras, not mine.
Photographer
ddtphoto
Posts: 2590
Chicago, Illinois, US
There's no quality control here with models or photographers. It's an open space and it's free. That's the good and the bad.
Photographer
Cherrystone
Posts: 37171
Columbus, Ohio, US
Daren King wrote:
I told her I totally understand and its okay and I would love to still work with her.
She shows up with TWO guys and she tells me "they will stand away from our shot and wont get in the way".
I very begrudgingly said fine.
. No, just say no.
If you keep doing that, you may very well buy the same grief continuously.
Photographer
Btfineart
Posts: 69
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
Daren King wrote:
I was paying her for a shoot that included implied nude. The security cameras were the apartment complex cameras, not mine. It doesn't matter whose they were - the images are going to be there for anyone with access to the system to take.
I can certainly imagine a couple of my very experienced models having issues with that - the more experience the more to lose if it blows up in their face.
The difference probably is that the experienced model might suggest alternatives if they are not happy with the situation.
Like paper backdrops, reflectors, tall stands, folding changing divider, etc.
Photographer
Daren King
Posts: 211
Santa Monica, California, US
I guess I can see how the security cameras might cause concern BUT from what I know about the law there isn't much that can be done with the images. They cant be used commercially and if they were "leaked" it would look very bad on the part of the apartment complex for their reputation.
There are 4 cameras around the pool area and there are lots of kids who are in the pool everyday. I could only imagine the public relations nightmare if video of people started appearing online or something.
Photographer
Garry k
Posts: 30130
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Sounds like that 2nd model really wanted to work with you despite taking some extra precautions
Of course she was within her rights to decline the shoot once she realized that there were closed circuit security video cameras filming the area .Who really knows who might see the film footage or where it could end up
what were you thinking ?
Photographer
Daren King
Posts: 211
Santa Monica, California, US
Garry k wrote:
what were you thinking ? What should I have been thinking ?
Photographer
Garry k
Posts: 30130
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Daren King wrote:
What should I have been thinking ? ( as with any non commercial shoot ) how can you the photographer make the experience as comfortable for the model as possible ( even if you are paying them )
In a commercial shoot that responsibility would fall to whoever is organizing the shoot
Photographer
alessandro2009
Posts: 8091
Florence, Toscana, Italy
Daren King wrote:
Second girl ...
I told her ONE escort was fine but they had to wait downstairs while we shoot.
She shows up with TWO guys and she tells me "they will stand away from our shot and wont get in the way".
I very begrudgingly said fine. Cherrystone wrote:
just say no. +1
Daren King wrote:
Just as we were about to start shooting she looks up at the wall and notices two security surveillance cameras. She then informs me that she wont shoot any implied nudes because of the video cameras. I think this is a different issue that can be addressed in different way.
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LarsWS
Posts: 10
København, Hovedstaden, Denmark
If there are security cameras then you have to inform people up front and it's their right to decline on that basis. I find it really odd that anyone would try to do nudes (implied or not) in front of security cameras. You need a different location, dude. That one was on you.
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Rob Photosby
Posts: 4810
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
I am not surprised by the first model. There is no shortage of pretty girls who like the ego stroke of being invited to model, but who have no intention to follow through.
Nor I am not surprised by the second model's reluctance. Why did you not realise that security cameras would be an issue and take steps to block their view beforehand?
Under the circumstances, I think you owe the second model her fee and not just gas money. Even if she did bring unwanted baggage, she turned up willing and able to shoot , but you failed to provide an appropriate environment, so you wasted her time, not vice versa.
Artist/Painter
Hunter GWPB
Posts: 8203
King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US
You couldn't just cover the security cameras up or block their view? I agree, this one is on you. If you are shooting in nature, you need to have contingency plans. You need to know your site. Where people are likely to come from, where the model needs to go. What are you going to do when you hike into the waterfall and there are 20 people there? With kids?
You need to build a rep as a guy that watches out for the model if you want models to show up without two bodyguards. When they do show up with escorts, put them to work watching out for the model. Have them guard the doors, hold a towel in front of the camera, watch the approach, etc..
Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 13564
Washington, Utah, US
This is why I never invest anything in a shoot I'm not happy to loose, including never hiring a MUA.
In terms of a model showing up and wanting to change the terms of a shoot, such as bringing escorts, I know it can be tough to figure out what to do the first time when you haven't given it any thought. Hopefully in the future, you'll know to send such a model on her way.
Model
Figures Jen B
Posts: 790
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Daren King wrote:
I started setting up shoots with the models I got from my casting call.
First girl.....we spoke on the phone and set up a date and time about 1 week before shoot. She was very nice and I told her I would call on the day of shoot 2 hours before shoot just to confirm and make sure it was still a go.
Day of the shoot I call two hours early and no answer. I call 1 hour early, no answer. I call 15 minutes before shoot time and no answer.
Two days later she emails me and says she is a nanny and the family had an emergency and she was really sorry but couldn't make the shoot. I told her I totally understand and its okay and I would love to still work with her.
I asked what other day and time would she be available and I haven't heard back in 9 days.
Second girl I booked was REALLY attractive (if she is reading this she knows who she is). We spoke on phone, we discussed all details. She agreed to shoot implied nudes. One of the things discussed was that we would be shooting in the upstairs floor of my apartment community room but the room was reserved. I told her ONE escort was fine but they had to wait downstairs while we shoot.
She shows up with TWO guys and she tells me "they will stand away from our shot and wont get in the way".
I very begrudgingly said fine.
Just as we were about to start shooting she looks up at the wall and notices two security surveillance cameras. She then informs me that she wont shoot any implied nudes because of the video cameras.
I started packing up my stuff and she says "so do I at least get gas money for my drive out here" ?
My answer was "no"
I have 5 more shoots lined up so hopefully I have better luck. The time for her to have told you that she was a nanny and that the family had an emergency would've been before the shoot. Not two days later. I've had flakes on my end too with photographers, (its not exclusive.) Usually if someone is hard to reach without excuse int he day,(s) prior to a shoot they are very likely to flake.
Jen
Photographer
FIFTYONE PHOTOGRAPHY
Posts: 6597
Uniontown, Pennsylvania, US
Know Idea wrote:
Sounds like . . . . . M/M. a rant fixed
Photographer
David M Russell
Posts: 1301
New York, New York, US
Typical MM.
The ratio of flakes to actual models is astronomic.
Not knowing what your plan was with the second shoot, I can see the video cameras being a concern. One of the lessons you take away from that experience should be to always have an alternate plan for your location and to book good locations.
-D
EDIT: It's okay to rant a little. We've all been there. We feel your pain. But going forward, just know that it's the expectation with MM. Get used to it. Embrace the suck.
Model
Figures Jen B
Posts: 790
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Daren King wrote:
I guess I can see how the security cameras might cause concern BUT from what I know about the law there isn't much that can be done with the images. They cant be used commercially and if they were "leaked" it would look very bad on the part of the apartment complex for their reputation.
There are 4 cameras around the pool area and there are lots of kids who are in the pool everyday. I could only imagine the public relations nightmare if video of people started appearing online or something. I would've declined as she did with the security cameras. If you knew the cameras were there and thought it was no issue then you might want to rethink it. Had you rented the space? Did they know you were shooting nudes/implied? Wonder why they didn't agree to cover them or you suggest another area without them. Shooting nudes outside of a studio requires situational awareness, consideration and respect for the area and people.
Jen
P.s. you wanted to shoot nudes/implied in an area with a lot of kids running around? Not a great idea.
Photographer
Marco R
Posts: 313
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US
You did not mentioned, but are they paid shots or TF? I had quite a few "missing in action" during the days before the shooting in a TF situation, but never on a paid shooting so far, although not so many number of paid shots.
Photographer
Rays Fine Art
Posts: 7504
New York, New York, US
Daren King wrote:
I guess I can see how the security cameras might cause concern BUT from what I know about the law there isn't much that can be done with the images. They cant be used commercially and if they were "leaked" it would look very bad on the part of the apartment complex for their reputation.
There are 4 cameras around the pool area and there are lots of kids who are in the pool everyday. I could only imagine the public relations nightmare if video of people started appearing online or something. If you operate on the principal that people will not do that which they are not allowed to do, then I fear you will experience a great deal of disappointment along the way.
I agree that she was a bit over the line in bringing not one but two escorts, but it was a completely appropriate decision on her part to refuse to shoot with the security cameras there. Her body/her decision. As to the request for gas money, on the one hand it was your responsibility to be aware of them and to let her know in advance that they would be there, but on the other she was the one who decided to cancel the shoot. Had it been me, I would have given her gas money if she traveled more than what is considered a reasonable commute, say 25 to 50 miles.
All IMHO as always, of course.
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 23575
Salem, Oregon, US
i've had my fair share of no-shows. some photographers double or triple book. others require that the model contact them the day before or the shoot is off.
models can be sensitive about video. just something to be aware of.
Photographer
Daren King
Posts: 211
Santa Monica, California, US
I can understand everyone's point about the security cameras BUT, anytime you shoot in public someone can just walk up and take pictures of your shoot. I have had it happen to me. I have even done it to other photographers descreetly.
Artist/Painter
Hunter GWPB
Posts: 8203
King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US
Daren King wrote:
I can understand everyone's point about the security cameras BUT, anytime you shoot in public someone can just walk up and take pictures of your shoot. I have had it happen to me. I have even done it to other photographers descreetly. You are absolutely correct. Being in public is not private. But you can mitigate problems. If a model is going to strip on the street, she needs to be prepared for the event. A model that only does implied shots isn't going to want to shoot where she can be interrupted. You are there to get your shot and create your vision but part of that is taking the responsibility for the shoot. The site selection. The model's security and safety.
There is a cool picture that appears in the contest every once in while, and has recently, if you want to look back (+18 women), where a nude female model is hiding behind some bushes, looking to the photographers left. Behind her and to the photographers right, is a guy on bike with his mouth hanging open. Stuff happens.
Even though these two shoots didn't work out well for you, you learned a ton of stuff. This thread is helping you to process and refine what you learned. You are getting some criticism, and this thread will continue to generate some criticism. Another thing to learn is that you will very rarely get sympathy for screwing up, and discussing it in a MM forum thread.
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Model MoRina
Posts: 6640
MacMurdo - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by New Zealand, Antarctica
There are a lot of things you can do to help make sure that your scheduled shoots happen.
In your first situation, your model maybe lacked interest, confidence or both. It is important for the photographer to give the model a reason to show up. I don't mean just for money or pictures. You have to have good communication prior to the shoot to get and keep her interested. Tell her why you want to shoot with her. Say something nice to boost her confidence - "I love your alternative look, and I think you will be perfect for this concept..." or "I know you aren't that experienced, but your expressions are wonderful. I can help coach your posing."
Once you have booked the shoot, a nervous model will look for reasons to talk herself out of the shoot. Positive interaction from you will help your chances of her showing up. If you call her and book the shoot and then drone on about all your bad experiences with models or girlfriends or whatever... she just going to disappear. Keep your communication focused on the shoot. Of course, I don't know why some people refuse to just send a simple email to tell you they are no longer interested rather than leave you hanging, but that seems to be common today.
With your second situation, your model showed up, but you didn't provide an appropriate space to shoot in. That's not her fault, that's yours. I can't believe you would expect anyone to shoot nude in a room with active security cameras. In my opinion, you should have offered to pay her, or you should have just done a clothed shoot. Instead, you burned a bridge with that model.
Photographer
Barry Kidd Photography
Posts: 3351
Red Lion, Pennsylvania, US
I have killed more grand moms than any man alive.
There are many photographers here that say they have never been bailed in anyway shape or form. As for me getting bailed on is the rule rather than the exception. Well, It was when I was actively trying to shoot MM Models. These days I'm really just a forum junky and come here for that. To much drama and to many disappointments to bother with them any more.
Photographer
Garry k
Posts: 30130
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Daren King wrote:
I can understand everyone's point about the security cameras BUT, anytime you shoot in public someone can just walk up and take pictures of your shoot. I have had it happen to me. I have even done it to other photographers descreetly. Personally I find the idea of someone discretely taking photographs of another photographers shoot to be kind of creepy
if I see that happening on one of my shoots I will ask the person to mind their own business , or if I have an MUA or assistant with me I will send that person over to block the angle of the attempted shots
Myself i have though observed a few other photographers shooting in public - but only to study either their technical set up or the interaction with the models
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 45207
San Juan Bautista, California, US
Daren King wrote:
I can understand everyone's point about the security cameras BUT, anytime you shoot in public someone can just walk up and take pictures of your shoot. I have had it happen to me. I have even done it to other photographers discreetly. I'm sorry that you've had these issues which are quite common on this site. The first one, there is no excuse for her not informing you by answering the phone when you called. Certainly many of the "models" who sign up with a profile on here are actually doing other jobs in addition to their modeling (or trying to) for either income or a hobby. Communication break downs happen, but even those of us who take pains to make sure that models wont flake will have some once in awhile.
Now as for the second one, again, there is a communication issue when a "model" brings an "escort" but two after you said one was alright? I could deal with that situation myself by letting them know where they could be, and what they can do while I shoot. I'm fine with having what I call "guests" as long as we've discussed it before hand, but I have sent away "uninvited guests" before with no exceptions. I avoid the "escort" word, but I am serious about having what I consider strangers attend a shoot. I really do check people out before they arrive.
As to the surveillance cameras, there is where I disagree with your "thinking!" I would have checked out that room before mostly because I take the issue of a models privacy very seriously! It would be something I would have discussed with the model before hand. Certainly I've shot in locations where there were surveillance cameras, but not only was I aware of it, but I made sure that the model was comfortable with the possible viewing by others of us on those cameras. The reality is that surveillance cameras are not normally of high quality, nor are generally used for any other purpose than to review for security issues. It's an unfortunate fact that we are under the view of these cameras in many locations that we are not even aware of it. So I understand the models distress at the thought of implied being video recorded.
Perhaps you could have put those two "escorts" to work with having them stand or hold objects in front these cameras? Maybe throwing a black cloth over them? I don't know what sort of agreement you have with the apartment complex in regards to using the room, but are they willing to give you privacy? Some of the models I have worked with are fine with the idea that we might be watched and others are not.
Now as to you admitting to shooting "discreetly" at other photographers >public< (I'm presuming) photo sessions, I don't like that at all! it's the very reason that I do bring "guests" along to locations where there might happen to be some guy doing that. You say you know it's been done to you? Are you really ok with that? I'm not, and I will say or do something about it. I have my "guests" assist me by blocking views, keeping an eye out for any other problems, including snatch and grabs of gear that might occur while out in public. I know I can't stop everyone, but I do communicate that it is not acceptable to me.
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 45207
San Juan Bautista, California, US
Garry k wrote:
Personally I find the idea of someone discretely taking photographs of another photographers shoot to be kind of creepy
if I see that happening on one of my shoots I will ask the person to mind their own business , or if I have an MUA or assistant with me I will send that person over to block the angle of the attempted shots
Myself i have though observed a few other photographers shooting in public - but only to study either their technical set up or the interaction with the models I am with you on this one! Early on when I was shooting with female friends who were not "models" but wanted to try it out, ... we'd go to the beach and if some GWC came along trying to catch some shots on his camera, I'd say something to the effect that it wasn't cool. We moved to other beach locations in some cases if the person didn't move on first. It really is creepy!
Photographer
J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 12221
Los Angeles, California, US
Figures Jen B wrote:
I would've declined as she did with the security cameras. If you knew the cameras were there and thought it was no issue then you might want to rethink it. Had you rented the space? Did they know you were shooting nudes/implied? Wonder why they didn't agree to cover them or you suggest another area without them. Shooting nudes outside of a studio requires situational awareness, consideration and respect for the area and people.
Jen
P.s. you wanted to shoot nudes/implied in an area with a lot of kids running around? Not a great idea. Yep.
You might want to rethink for the future, shooting nudity in front of security cameras, particularly ones for which you have no control over the content they record.
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 45207
San Juan Bautista, California, US
MoRina wrote:
There are a lot of things you can do to help make sure that your scheduled shoots happen.
In your first situation, your model maybe lacked interest, confidence or both. It is important for the photographer to give the model a reason to show up. I don't mean just for money or pictures. You have to have good communication prior to the shoot to get and keep her interested. Tell her why you want to shoot with her. Say something nice to boost her confidence - "I love your alternative look, and I think you will be perfect for this concept..." or "I know you aren't that experienced, but your expressions are wonderful. I can help coach your posing."
Once you have booked the shoot, a nervous model will look for reasons to talk herself out of the shoot. Positive interaction from you will help your chances of her showing up. If you call her and book the shoot and then drone on about all your bad experiences with models or girlfriends or whatever... she just going to disappear. Keep your communication focused on the shoot. Of course, I don't know why some people refuse to just send a simple email to tell you they are no longer interested rather than leave you hanging, but that seems to be common today.
With your second situation, your model showed up, but you didn't provide an appropriate space to shoot in. That's not her fault, that's yours. I can't believe you would expect anyone to shoot nude in a room with active security cameras. In my opinion, you should have offered to pay her, or you should have just done a clothed shoot. Instead, you burned a bridge with that model. You expressed the models side so well! This goes to the heart of why I wrote this piece in the forums a long time ago; https://www.modelmayhem.com/forums/post/172526
It's impossible to go through life without some disappointments as in "flakes" or what not. Ones attitude and communication can resolve or even avoid some of these issues that lead up to disappointments. I do my best to make it as comfortable for the models as possible, ... within reason of course! Photography is a form of communication, and so is modeling. However, just because we might be good at one thing or the other, it doesn't mean that we are communicating well with those we work with. I make an effort to communicate better, and it absolutely helps!
Photographer
Loki Studio
Posts: 3523
Royal Oak, Michigan, US
The model did not agree to a shoot in public, and the the security cameras are an obvious and complete fail. You are responsible for providing a completely private area for an implied or sexy shoot without prior agreement with the model. If you don't understand this clear issue, then I predict many future problems for you.
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Tony Lawrence
Posts: 21526
Chicago, Illinois, US
Going to disagree with a member. Its not a photographers responsibility to keep models interested. Unless your model is a cat and needs some yarn to stay focused. Not every session is going to work out. Ask that models call to confirm sessions or call them. No contact a few hours before a shoot then move on. No need to get angry or make it personal. Don't set up any more shoots with that model. In your second story once the model arrived with two people you should have told her no thanks. Its also on you to make sure that the area is as private as can be especially for nudes. I'm guessing your apt. complex wouldn't be too cool with nudes or semi-nudes and covering those cameras is not something I'd even ask.
A few thoughts. Be crystal clear on how many photos you are providing. Always, always, always get signed releases especially if you are paying. If you don't allow escorts then you don't allow them. Don't waiver on your policies or reluctantly agree once the model arrives. Personally I would ask to see all paid models in person first if possible. This avoids surprises. That's not always practical though. You always want to treat people fairly but learn to read situations and people. Don't make multiple calls to models. Don't ask them to shoot again when they no show and don't call.
Photographer
Daren King
Posts: 211
Santa Monica, California, US
Garry k wrote:
Personally I find the idea of someone discretely taking photographs of another photographers shoot to be kind of creepy
if I see that happening on one of my shoots I will ask the person to mind their own business , or if I have an MUA or assistant with me I will send that person over to block the angle of the attempted shots
Myself i have though observed a few other photographers shooting in public - but only to study either their technical set up or the interaction with the models This post would be funny if it wasn't so creepy in itself.
Also, I assume you would send someone else over to block a shot because you lacked the courage to do it yourself.
In America we have a constitutional right to photograph things in public and many people here don't appreciate when pissy photographers try to infringe on that right. I seriously doubt you would come over to me and attempt to block me taking pictures in a public place.
Model
Figures Jen B
Posts: 790
Phoenix, Arizona, US
Daren King wrote:
This post would be funny if it wasn't so creepy in itself.
Also, I assume you would send someone else over to block a shot because you lacked the courage to do it yourself.
In America we have a constitutional right to photograph things in public and many people here don't appreciate when pissy photographers try to infringe on that right. I seriously doubt you would come over to me and attempt to block me taking pictures in a public place. As a photographer Iwould either go over and ask you to stop, or if my hands were busy and Ihad someone with me I'd ask them to ask you.
While I do like collaboration...when I am the photographer I do not want someone else rail roading my shoot, (collaboration isn't likely to happen with a stranger interferring with your shoot.) Shooting into someone elses' shoot isn't an acceptable behavior unless you are at a group shoot and everyone is cool with such bad manners.
Jen
Photographer
Garry k
Posts: 30130
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Daren King wrote:
This post would be funny if it wasn't so creepy in itself.
Also, I assume you would send someone else over to block a shot because you lacked the courage to do it yourself.
In America we have a constitutional right to photograph things in public and many people here don't appreciate when pissy photographers try to infringe on that right. I seriously doubt you would come over to me and attempt to block me taking pictures in a public place. I like to think that where I live - we have a certain degree of respect for other people and their personal business even in the public domain - I have found this to be the case most of the time but not always
the same way that I would not walk up to you in a public place and start randomly snapping pictures of your wife ,girl friend children etc - I would expect the same sort of respect in return if I am conducting a photoshoot
If a papparazi refuses to respect my polite request that he or she leave us alone to do our shoot ,and a few attempts to block the shots proves ineffective - I would simply pack up ,get in my car and move the shoot to another location
Photographer
Garry k
Posts: 30130
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Photographer
Daren King
Posts: 211
Santa Monica, California, US
Garry k wrote:
I like to think that where I live - we have a certain degree of respect for other people and their personal business even in the public domain - I have found this to be the case most of the time but not always
the same way that I would not walk up to you in a public place and start randomly snapping pictures of your wife ,girl friend children etc - I would expect the same sort of respect in return if I am conducting a photoshoot
If a papparazi refuses to respect my polite request that he or she leave us alone to do our shoot ,and a few attempts to block the shots proves ineffective - I would simply pack up ,get in my car and move the shoot to another location I guess you missed the part where I said DISCREETLY take a few pictures.
Discreetly is defined as : unobtrusive, unnoticable
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