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ImageGenic

Posts: 928

Conroe, Texas, US

I'm trying to find a way to mimic the venetian blind effect with mono-blocks ...

I tried making a frame of PVC and using gaffing tape for the "blinds" .. that didn't work so well .. needs too much distance between the light source and the blind ....

will try gobos and fresnel lenses ...

Lately, I want to experiment with instead of blocking the light for the shades. maybe I can add the light between the shades .. maybe reflecting off thin strips of mirror, or having an attachment on the light head that is a series of long, rectangular 'lenses" ...

I saw a video tutorial on YouTube one day about this effect, but lost it. But I think it was dealing with hot lights and video .... but I may be able to adapt it to the look I want...

Anyone here perfected a technique for this lighting effect?

May 27 08 01:29 pm Link

May 27 08 01:52 pm Link

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Scott Aitken

Posts: 3587

Seattle, Washington, US

Uh... why not just use venetian blinds? You can get miniblinds at any Home Depot or Wal-Mart. They're cheap. Just buy some generic size, and hang it between your subject and your light. Done.

May 27 08 02:04 pm Link

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Studio Allure

Posts: 2186

Columbus, Ohio, US

photoshop plugin called 55mm by digital film tools has an effect.

May 27 08 02:14 pm Link

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ImageGenic

Posts: 928

Conroe, Texas, US

I think the gobo is more for projecting on a background.

The slats would be too small.

The real blinds don't work unless the source light is too far away.

The look I want is on my list "BLINDS"

Can't get my browser to cut and paste the mm picture urls, or I'd post a few here, but those were using real blinds, sunlit.

I want an attachment to my lights ala gobo that would mimic the same look.

Maybe a custom made honeycomb grid with deep slats instead of honeycomb?

May 27 08 02:33 pm Link

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ImageGenic

Posts: 928

Conroe, Texas, US

Digitallure Photography wrote:
photoshop plugin called 55mm by digital film tools has an effect.

I'll have to check that out, thanks.

This look WOULD be easier in post, however the true light effect has subtleties, such as shadows in the hair, lashes, catch-lights, etc.

May 27 08 02:37 pm Link

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Mikey Yan

Posts: 379

La Habra, California, US

I'm sorry, I'm a noob. Can you post an image of what a venetian blind image would look like? I'm not talking about a pic of a venetian blind, just what the final product would look like.

May 27 08 02:37 pm Link

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Brian Morris Photography

Posts: 20901

Los Angeles, California, US

ImageGenic wrote:
I think the gobo is more for projecting on a background.

The slats would be too small.

The real blinds don't work unless the source light is too far away.

The look I want is on my list "BLINDS"

Can't get my browser to cut and paste the mm picture urls, or I'd post a few here, but those were using real blinds, sunlit.

I want an attachment to my lights ala gobo that would mimic the same look.

Maybe a custom made honeycomb grid with deep slats instead of honeycomb?

Focus Stephens gobo from a distance? Stage lighting!

May 27 08 02:37 pm Link

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Brian Morris Photography

Posts: 20901

Los Angeles, California, US

ImageGenic wrote:

I'll have to check that out, thanks.

This look WOULD be easier in post, however the true light effect has subtleties, such as shadows in the hair, lashes, catch-lights, etc.

Does it wrap the contours of the figure like a light would?

May 27 08 02:39 pm Link

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ImageGenic

Posts: 928

Conroe, Texas, US

https://modelmayhm-7.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080401/22/47f2f03e51ccd_m.jpg

https://img6.modelmayhem.com/070204/01/45c576ae73d4a_m.jpg

This is the look I want to mimic.

May 27 08 02:45 pm Link

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StephenEastwood

Posts: 19585

Great Neck, New York, US

Digital Soup wrote:

Does it wrap the contours of the figure like a light would?

use a displacement map and it will easily.

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

May 27 08 02:47 pm Link

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Brian Morris Photography

Posts: 20901

Los Angeles, California, US

StephenEastwood wrote:

use a displacement map and it will easily.

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

How much work to get it right? Or are we talking magic and trickery?

May 27 08 02:49 pm Link

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Brian Morris Photography

Posts: 20901

Los Angeles, California, US

Theater lights are a really good investment. Find a theater that is closing and purchase some stuff.

May 27 08 02:52 pm Link

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ImageGenic

Posts: 928

Conroe, Texas, US

Digital Soup wrote:
Theater lights are a really good investment. Find a theater that is closing and purchase some stuff.

I thinks that's what I need..

With all the theaters converting to digital, I could probably pick up a few!

Stage lights I mean!

May 27 08 02:54 pm Link

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StephenEastwood

Posts: 19585

Great Neck, New York, US

Digital Soup wrote:

How much work to get it right? Or are we talking magic and trickery?

making the map could be automated application also can be and maybe some masking if there are parts you want masked out.

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

May 27 08 02:56 pm Link

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ImageGenic

Posts: 928

Conroe, Texas, US

I'm thinking the gobo projector Mr. Eastwood mention earlier would work, only I need to make a custom gobo. Since it will be used on strobes vs. hot lights, the gobo could be made from cardboard basically and an Exacto knife. The projector can focus the blinds where I need them..

A 35mm slide projector might work if I got it far enough back and powered it with a 300 wps strobe thru a snoot ... would just need a custom slide...

May 27 08 03:10 pm Link

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ImageGenic

Posts: 928

Conroe, Texas, US

If this works, I may market the damn thing!

May 27 08 03:13 pm Link

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Mikey Yan

Posts: 379

La Habra, California, US

Oooh, I wanna do that look too.  Thanks for the idea. smile

May 27 08 03:15 pm Link

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StephenEastwood

Posts: 19585

Great Neck, New York, US

ImageGenic wrote:
I'm thinking the gobo projector Mr. Eastwood mention earlier would work, only I need to make a custom gobo. Since it will be used on strobes vs. hot lights, the gobo could be made from cardboard basically and an Exacto knife. The projector can focus the blinds where I need them..

A 35mm slide projector might work if I got it far enough back and powered it with a 300 wps strobe thru a snoot ... would just need a custom slide...

that gobo works on slides and is 10$ why woudl you want to make an imprecise one when they have one ready made? many in fact.  And that whole setup I outlined is strobe not hotlights.  If you are using a cardboard one be careful a modeling light can set it on fire.

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

May 27 08 03:18 pm Link

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ImageGenic

Posts: 928

Conroe, Texas, US

I'll try the background image projector.... for just a face or 3/4 shot it may project a large enough image.

I didn't think of the modeling light!

Thanks.

May 27 08 03:27 pm Link

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DMHolman

Posts: 1867

Lynnwood, Washington, US

ImageGenic wrote:
This is the look I want to mimic.

Stephen already gave you, in my opinion, an easy and relatively cheap way to do this above.  And yes, using the strobe set up he showed you, the "slits" of light will be big enough on the model .. you just need to position the light correctly.

-=>Donald

May 27 08 03:43 pm Link

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Kevin Connery

Posts: 17824

El Segundo, California, US

Ditto Stephen's recommendation. A gobo projector and the appropriate gobos (from Rosco, GAM, Apollo, or similar) will work fine. (If you need it extremely crisp, a higher-end projector may be needed.)

A focusing light--spotlight or fresnel--shining through a cookie or a real venetian blind could also work, depending on the look you're going for.

Also see:

* Gobos (Discussion of flags, cookies, gobos, and focusing spotlights)
* Lighting patterns on the background?
* pattern gobos with AB (Focusing spotlights)

May 27 08 07:45 pm Link

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Brian Morris Photography

Posts: 20901

Los Angeles, California, US

StephenEastwood wrote:
making the map could be automated application also can be and maybe some masking if there are parts you want masked out.

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.StephenEastwood.com

I would think that this effect would be much easier and better in camera. You can twist the light and make it what you want. The post effect would be more work and not as tight! Maybe Cheaper

May 27 08 07:54 pm Link