Forums > Photography Talk > how to de-wronkle muslin

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Awesometographer

Posts: 10973

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I went out and got a 9'x15' piece of muslin for a backdrop and dyed it a light gray (20% or so). problem is, 135 square feet is a lot of ironing, and it'll probably get re-wronkled on its way to the stand...

any tips?

Aug 29 09 09:04 am Link

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Jeremy Lips Photography

Posts: 262

New York, New York, US

pull the subject away from the background and throw is out of focus.

Aug 29 09 09:08 am Link

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Dan Howell

Posts: 3571

Kerhonkson, New York, US

steamer

https://www.lasplash.com/uploads/3/Jiffy_Steamer_J2000-3.jpg

Aug 29 09 09:08 am Link

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Rik Austin

Posts: 12164

Austin, Texas, US

Supposedly the best way is to use a steamer.  I tried it once but it was a cheap steamer.  The reps I talked to at trade show swear steamers work.

Aug 29 09 09:10 am Link

Aug 29 09 09:12 am Link

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A_Nova_Photography

Posts: 8652

Winston-Salem, North Carolina, US

I've tried steaming my muslins, I gave up... I pull them as tight as I can and clip or tape them to pull the wrinkles out as much as possible...

Aug 29 09 09:15 am Link

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nwprophoto

Posts: 15005

Tonasket, Washington, US

Jay Leavitt wrote:
any tips?

Muslin gets old quick for this reason.
You are either going to have to leave it hang or
spend an hour steaming before every shoot.
Seamless works better for me.

Aug 29 09 09:17 am Link

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Sweeter Photography

Posts: 131

Saint Cloud, Minnesota, US

I put mine in the washing machine then hang it. I used my light stands and clip the lose ends to the stands.
From there I just use a box fan to dry it from the underside.. It only takes about 10 minutes..

It seems like a lot of work but its really not!

Aug 29 09 09:20 am Link

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Dan Howell

Posts: 3571

Kerhonkson, New York, US

Geeze, it's not rocket science.  steaming, while time-consuming, does a fine job on muslin.

If you don't want to do it each time, keep the muslin rolled up on old seamless tubes or pvc pipe.  Just don't roll wrinkles into the backdrop as you roll it up.

Aug 29 09 09:44 am Link

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GM Photography

Posts: 6322

Olympia, Washington, US

Get an empty sprayer bottle for a buck or two at the grocery store and fill it with water.  I clamp mine to the sides of my stand, stretching it as tight as I can and then mist it with the water.  The wrinkles relax and most of them go away.  This assumes you have a little time to let it dry, otherwise the wet spots will change the color of the fabric.  Keep your subject as far away from it as possible to minimize any remaining wronkles.  When I'm done, I just wad it up and throw it back in the bag.

Aug 29 09 09:49 am Link

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Giacomo Cirrincioni

Posts: 22232

Stamford, Connecticut, US

You need an industrial steamer like the one Dan posted.  They're about $300 new but you can sometimes pick them up used for about $100.

Aug 29 09 09:50 am Link

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Art of Male LA19

Posts: 612

Los Angeles, California, US

I tried a steamer but found it to be a lot of work for such large material. Now I just use a fabric dewrinkler spray, I think it's by Downey. There are several on the market. I just spray it on and pull the fabric tight and it works pretty well.

Also tasteful use of DOF helps smooth the smaller wrinkles out.  I'll have to try just water as some have suggested. I'm not a fan of seamless paper (yet) because I think storage and wear and tear would be a problem, but I know plenty of people who love the paper.  Seems like a waste to keep discarding the ripped/torn/smudged paper though.

Aug 29 09 09:57 am Link

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JDF Photography

Posts: 2065

Marengo, Ohio, US

Have an assistant move the muslin/lightly shake it while you shoot. Nice blur effect.

Aug 29 09 10:44 am Link

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PhotoByWayne

Posts: 1291

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

try fabric softener

Aug 29 09 10:45 am Link

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Mayhem Maddness

Posts: 36

Scottsdale, Arizona, US

Is why I have Roller systems.

Aug 29 09 10:50 am Link

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Silver Gypsy

Posts: 136

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, US

I steam mine but once, in a pinch because I took it to an remote location, I bought a set 4 women's workout hand weights and clipped them to the bottom. 

It kept it stretched and wronkle-free.  They now stay in my equipment bags for just this reason.

Aug 29 09 10:54 am Link

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Caradoc

Posts: 19900

Scottsdale, Arizona, US

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Tarp clips.

I use tarp clips at the top corners, the bases of the background stands, and in the middle of each vertical.

Pulls the whole thing nice and taut, eliminates the wrinkles. Pulling your subject farther from the background and using a wider aperture takes the background completely out of focus, too.

Aug 29 09 11:11 am Link

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Arizona Shoots

Posts: 28657

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Dan Howell wrote:
steamer

https://www.lasplash.com/uploads/3/Jiffy_Steamer_J2000-3.jpg

+1. Best $40 I ever spent.

(Though, I've never seen this model before and I want it.)

Aug 29 09 11:13 am Link

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SteveL Images

Posts: 1966

Pacifica, California, US

1. Toss it in the dryer for ten minutes.

2) Hang it up and clamp the hell out of it. In other words stretch out the wronkles and clamp them to the stand poles.

3) Any remaining wronkles? Healing brush smile

Aug 29 09 11:17 am Link

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G and G PHOTOGRAPHY

Posts: 650

Oak Park, Michigan, US

Dan Howell wrote:
steamer

https://www.lasplash.com/uploads/3/Jiffy_Steamer_J2000-3.jpg

I second that.

Aug 29 09 08:53 pm Link

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Solstice Retouch

Posts: 2779

New York, New York, US

SteveL Images wrote:
1. Toss it in the dryer for ten minutes.

2) Hang it up and clamp the hell out of it. In other words stretch out the wronkles and clamp them to the stand poles.

3) Any remaining wronkles? Healing brush smile

Muslin and I have spent many, many hours together! lol

Aug 29 09 08:55 pm Link

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Awesometographer

Posts: 10973

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Did a test shoot today, and a mix of 10 min in heated dryer, pulling tight, and healing brush work fantastic. Thanks everyone!

Aug 29 09 10:09 pm Link

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Saxon Alvarez

Posts: 469

San Antonio, Texas, US

Paramour Productions wrote:
You need an industrial steamer like the one Dan posted.  They're about $300 new but you can sometimes pick them up used for about $100.

Ditto! smile

Aug 29 09 11:03 pm Link

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Mike Kelcher

Posts: 13322

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

I got mine damp, stuffed it into a bag that was almost too small, let it dry, then hung it up and embraced the beauty of all the wrinkles.

Aug 30 09 12:45 am Link

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alteredstate

Posts: 1924

MONKTON, Maryland, US

I spray them with a water mister and then throw it in the dryer before a shoot. I throw it over all my gear in the back of the car so it's nice and spread out. It does the double duty of covering my gear and making it look like a paint drop cloth so I've never had gear stolen from my car

Aug 31 09 05:26 am Link

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Beaute de LeDeux-Shelly

Posts: 2867

Ashland, California, US

try one of those hand held steamers

Aug 31 09 05:28 am Link

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Beaute de LeDeux-Shelly

Posts: 2867

Ashland, California, US

Mikes Images - Mike #4 wrote:
I got mine damp, stuffed it into a bag that was almost too small, let it dry, then hung it up and embraced the beauty of all the wrinkles.

thats how an artist does it, you rock

Aug 31 09 05:28 am Link

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RSM-images

Posts: 4226

Jacksonville, Florida, US

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What is a "wronkle"?

It does *not* appear in any dictionary and appears to be used only by the illiterate and ignorant.

neutral

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Aug 31 09 05:29 am Link

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PaulWilliams

Posts: 189

Chicago, Illinois, US

For me, I have an old 8-10 foot folding table in my basement, and I just pull it out and use a regular old  iron ..... never tried the steamer, but I do know an iron works just fine....... but i do mention the large table, because well.... if you try to iron on an ironing board you end up making more wrinkles while a good part of the backdrop sits on the floor........

Once its ironed it seem to stay fairly wrinkle free for quite a while........ I've also though about using spray starch with the iron..... but never got around to trying it

You might want to ask your local dry cleaner what they suggest for the material you are using.

Aug 31 09 06:17 am Link

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alteredstate

Posts: 1924

MONKTON, Maryland, US

RSM-images wrote:
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What is a "wronkle"?

It does *not* appear in any dictionary and appears to be used only by the illiterate and ignorant.

neutral

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Well, everyone else in the thread knew what it meant. Perhaps we're not the "ignorant" ones.

Aug 31 09 06:28 am Link

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Image Deleted

Posts: 169

Kansas City, Kansas, US

RSM-images wrote:
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What is a "wronkle"?

It does *not* appear in any dictionary and appears to be used only by the illiterate and ignorant.

neutral

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Or by the members of MM that remember a certian thread.

Aug 31 09 07:02 am Link

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Mickle Design Werks

Posts: 5967

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Dan Howell wrote:
steamer

https://www.lasplash.com/uploads/3/Jiffy_Steamer_J2000-3.jpg

+1

Aug 31 09 07:11 am Link

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Steinberg Photo

Posts: 1218

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Dan Howell wrote:
steamer

https://www.lasplash.com/uploads/3/Jiffy_Steamer_J2000-3.jpg

Walmart for about $50 (consumer version).

Aug 31 09 08:45 am Link

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mendesm

Posts: 1792

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Hang it in the bathroom, take a hot shower with the door closed.  That's what I do when I need to wear a shirt that doesn't look like it's been balled up in the hamper for a few months ;P

Aug 31 09 09:01 am Link

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alteredstate

Posts: 1924

MONKTON, Maryland, US

mendesm wrote:
Hang it in the bathroom, take a hot shower with the door closed.  That's what I do when I need to wear a shirt that doesn't look like it's been balled up in the hamper for a few months ;P

Yeah, but remember, shirts are small, muslin backdrops can be 10' x 20'. Could you hang that in your bathroom?

Aug 31 09 11:40 am Link

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mendesm

Posts: 1792

Boston, Massachusetts, US

alteredstate wrote:

Yeah, but remember, shirts are small, muslin backdrops can be 10' x 20'. Could you hang that in your bathroom?

a couple clothe wires/strings going across the room will handle that.  When you take them off, they still a tad humid so at that point, I guess you can roll it up, instead of folding it to avoid having creases.

It was just a sugestion though.  For something large like the one you mentions, I would definitely spend the $50 on the steamer mentioned in other replies.

Aug 31 09 12:32 pm Link

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Kevin Connery

Posts: 17824

El Segundo, California, US

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What is a "wronkle"?

It does *not* appear in any dictionary and appears to be used only by the illiterate and ignorant.

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Aug 31 09 07:42 pm Link

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Visionary Studio One

Posts: 703

Grand Prairie, Texas, US

Rex Hoss Photography wrote:
I tried a steamer but found it to be a lot of work for such large material. Now I just use a fabric dewrinkler spray, I think it's by Downey. There are several on the market. I just spray it on and pull the fabric tight and it works pretty well.

Also tasteful use of DOF helps smooth the smaller wrinkles out.  I'll have to try just water as some have suggested. I'm not a fan of seamless paper (yet) because I think storage and wear and tear would be a problem, but I know plenty of people who love the paper.  Seems like a waste to keep discarding the ripped/torn/smudged paper though.

+1

Edit:  And YES..  just wad it up instead of folding it neatly...
DOF and proper LIGHTING can be your best friends !!!

Aug 31 09 07:58 pm Link

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RS Livingston

Posts: 2086

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

(1) large(ish) steamer
(2) have the assistant steam it while its hanging and have a cup of coffee

Aug 31 09 08:09 pm Link