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Planning a London trip, and would like to get in some men's magazine work while I'm there. Anyone familiar with who the current magazine photographers are over there? Feb 17 11 08:05 am Link What sort of mens magazines? Do you mean newspapers, lads mags or top shelf? Feb 17 11 12:19 pm Link Anything and everything that pays  Feb 17 11 02:44 pm Link Do you have a work permit? Feb 17 11 02:51 pm Link Im planning this trip for September, so I should have time to get whatever I need Feb 17 11 02:59 pm Link NOTE: THE FOLLOWING APPLIES ONLY TO THE UK - OTHER COUNTRIES CAN, AND LIKELY DO, HAVE VASTLY DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS The UK no longer issues actual work "permits." There is another system now in place based on points and alongside the requirement that an employer be licensed as a sponsor to bring in a worker / talent. For the sake of argument, the first time application fee for the sponsor's license [Tier 5] is currently UK£400 and is not refundable even if the application is rejected. [for Tier 5 > temporary workers > entertainers > includes models] This is, in my opinion, unlikely to happen with individual photographers. There are also some very strict technical requirements surrounding all of this. First and foremost a sponsor, before they can sponsor someone from a non-European Economic Area [EEA] country, may have to provide proof supported by evidence that they have "tested the labour market" [e.g. by advertising] and can not find anyone else in the EEA suitable for the work. That includes not only models in the UK but models from throughout the 300+ million citizens of the European Economic Area [EEA]. That pretty much would leave out all but well known and well established "names" in the modeling industry. Not much chance there for Molly [The Unknown] Model from Peoria to be put forward as the one and only person who can do any particular bit of work. then, even if a sponsor can overcome that issue If a model intends to work with more than one employer / sponsor who is unconnected, in a business sense, with any other, then each and all of them must obtain separate licenses and provide individual entry clearances for the model, and each must pay their own fees for that, and provide separate paperwork, to bring in a / the model. There are also time limits placed on the sponsors in that there can be no overlap of the dates when the model will be employed by any of them individually, AND, there can not be a break of more than 14 days between jobs for the same or different sponsors, AND, the model can not enter more than 14 days in advance of the first job or remain in the UK more than 14 days after the last one. If there is a 14+ day break then the model MUST leave the UK and re-enter at a later time. In addition to all of that on the sponsor's part, there is a financial responsibility requirement placed on the model to show that they have sufficient funds to support their entry and stay in the UK. Presently that amount is set at UK£800 [ca US$1200] which funds must have been on deposit in a financial institution for a minimum of 90 days and at no time during that 90 day period did the balance of that account fall below that figure. Proof is required as part of the entry clearance procedure. This would also apply if there is a 14+ day break [as noted above] and the model wants to re-enter the UK again. Therefore, for a freelance model trying to set up shoots with individual photographers here it is highly, HIGHLY, unlikely that they can organize on their own properly and legally licensed sponsorship leading to a work authorisation [a.k.a. an "entry clearance"] or the appropriate visa [if one is required] to enter the UK for purposes of work without having regular representation [e.g. an agency], and they must have both [if a visa is required], and they are two separate and distinct things. ONLY a prospective employer, and for models it is likely that that is ordinarily going to have to be an agency, would be in a position to act as a sponsor to obtain the work authorization [entry clearance], but an agency acting as a sponsor can arrange work for the model with clients / photographers who are not sponsors. With an approved work authorisation [entry clearance] in hand the model will apply for a visa [if one is required] before they can travel. They MUST possess and produce BOTH the sponsor's entry clearance documents and visa [if a visa is required], and the proof of the financial element, at the time of their arrival in the UK. Presumably models wanting to work on a commercial basis while they are in the UK intend that they will get paid for the work they do while here, but from the immigration law standpoint it doesn't matter if you are paid or not. Work is work even if unpaid. That said, you can try and work without either one, a visa [if one is required] or a work authorisation, or without the financial documents in hand... but be warned that if it is detected that you intended to seek work / or / work illegally while here at the time of entry to the UK [e.g. if you try to enter as a tourist] you will be refused entry and immediately deported back to whence you came; or, depending on the circumstances, you might also be charged with one or more criminal offenses and be prosecuted and that carries the risk of a prison sentence as well; or, if caught after you have entered the UK you can be, and likely would be, arrested, detained, possibly prosecuted and then deported and that carries with it a ban on re-entry for a period of years [EDIT: variably it can be 1 or 5 or 10 years]; in addition to that, whoever has employed you while in the UK without you having the right to legally work here, and they are obligated to not only check but to actually keep copies of your documents and other evidence proving you can legally work here, will be subject to a fine of UK£10,000 [ca US$15,000] I strongly suggest that models have a serious rethink about even coming to the UK under circumstances where they intend to work here illegally, until, and unless, they can organize some established representation in the UK who are licensed and will sponsor them. :::ATTN OTHER POSTERS::: Some of you might be inclined to advise the OP otherwise [e.g. work on a tourist entry or visa waver] but you would be counseling her to break the law, and that in itself is against the board rules. I suggest any other posters to this thread consider very carefully any advice they choose to offer to the OP here on the open forum. Studio36 Feb 17 11 05:03 pm Link Wow.... I'll have to warn all the US models that have gone to the UK for work. With that said.... let's get back to the original question. Anyone familiar with who the current magazine photographers are over there? Feb 17 11 05:17 pm Link Lane Elizabeth wrote: There's no need for sarcasm. Studio36 knows his stuff and was informing you of the legal position. Feb 18 11 05:58 am Link Lane Elizabeth wrote: They wouldn't work with you due to what studio36 says unless you have that in hand. Feb 18 11 06:05 am Link Lane Elizabeth wrote: Bit more risky than employing an illegal immigrant to mow your grass back home in Texas. Feb 18 11 09:27 am Link Just call it a holiday. Feb 18 11 10:52 am Link 
Model Posts: 6639 MacMurdo - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by New Zealand, Antarctica I am coming to London in April and doing TF Harrod's Earl Grey #42, TF Pub Grub and Guinness, and TF English Countryside Sightseeing. Feb 18 11 11:09 am Link MO Rina wrote: Haha, good thinking Feb 18 11 11:16 am Link You might get a TF return flight  Feb 18 11 11:23 am Link There is such thing as a TF night in London's jail, isn't there ? Feb 18 11 11:24 am Link Times are tough with the old £ but I think you may get reduced rates Feb 18 11 11:27 am Link Thanks for all the PMs with Photogs names, I got what I needed Feb 18 11 03:31 pm Link Depending on what magazines, I'm round and about. Feb 18 11 05:42 pm Link Jay Pegg wrote: Jay, I only have a brief "fear of God" comment for you: "Baroness Scotland's maid" Feb 18 11 06:06 pm Link Thank you Studio36 - some really great information and resources shared here. Feb 19 11 12:27 am Link studio36uk wrote: Wow. Feb 19 11 12:47 am Link MO Rina wrote: I approve of this.. other than the earl grey (yorkshire tea or nowt) Feb 19 11 03:43 am Link MO Rina wrote: Excellent, that's the way to do it. Feb 19 11 03:51 am Link Aoxomedia wrote: What porkie pie-ing? Feb 19 11 04:00 am Link pork pies are rank if you ask me... but no harm in a little binge if thats what floats her boat Feb 19 11 04:04 am Link Bailey K wrote: Not many people on here are going to understand that. And I'm one of them. Feb 19 11 04:06 am Link Aoxomedia wrote: Alleged Cockney Rhyming Slang, Pork Pie = Lie. Feb 19 11 04:24 am Link Hugh Alison wrote: You see the political pressure they are under to do it every day in the newspapers whenever there is a hint of illegal or economic migrant workers or bogus asylum seekers involved and especially when the story is tied to the British unemployment numbers. Feb 19 11 04:45 am Link Works both ways. I have an Irish friend who got caught working in a bar in Boston without a work permit. About 10 years later she tried to join a Caribbean cruise ship in Florida - got arrested at the airport and deported. Computers work nowdays. Feb 19 11 06:11 am Link
Model Posts: 6639 MacMurdo - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by New Zealand, Antarctica Bailey K wrote: I hope you aren't insinuating that I am lying. Feb 19 11 07:46 am Link Hugh Alison wrote: Presumably, though you didn't actually say so, she was deported/removed from the US and barred from re-entry the first time, which, understandably, would certainly raise official hackles the second time. Feb 19 11 08:43 am Link Do you want to know how strict the immigration laws are here? I was advised by a practising immigration barrister that I ought to marry an English girl if I want to stay here and be self employed. Feb 22 11 03:31 pm Link David-Thomas wrote: "How much for the little girl?" Feb 22 11 06:25 pm Link I don't post on the forums these days - too much nastiness - but I think I should add what happened this spring when a friend arrived at Heathrow with an 18 year old girl he insisted bringing with him. He - and the girl - were to stay for 14 days and part of the time they were to stay with my and my wife and then visit some of his UK relatives in Manchester. When he arrived they were immediately detained, their luggage was searched and I was called by an immigration official. She questioned me for quite some time about my connections with this middle aged guy who said he was coming to the UK for a vacation and why had he brought this young girl with him. She called me several times, every time asking more details and double checking my answers. And, she checked up on *me*, my status in the UK, my citizenship - and also my lovely wife Jess: http://www.christerart.com/slideshow3/show_1125.jpg who *is* a British subject - and that we were/are actually married and I had the right to reside in the UK. She was *not* pleasant. In the end they were allowed to enter the US but *only* for the length of their intended stay - they of course had return tickets - and the visa they got was for exactly that timeframe - they were severely warned that violating this visa would be treated harshly. So, consider yourself warned! You should take the information in this thread - and especially that of UK36 - very seriously! That applies to you coming here to work and you *paying* a person who's not in the UK legally! Christer http://www.ChristerArt.com Sep 16 11 03:46 am Link Hi Studio36 Very interesting and informative. May i ask does the system in your initial post apply to Northern Ireland? This is not a trick question . Thanks, Jim. Sep 16 11 05:50 am Link Feverstockphoto wrote: As immigration questions go, I must assume, without looking, that the visa, entry and working requirements cover all four countries: E+W+S+NI exactly because entry via one jurisdiction gives free access, virtually uncontrolled, to the others. Sep 16 11 06:31 am Link studio36uk wrote: Thanks for your reply..... Sorry to the OP that it was slightly off topic. Sep 16 11 06:37 am Link Feverstockphoto wrote: studio36uk wrote: Thanks for your reply..... Sorry to the OP that it was slightly off topic. I still can't answer your question with a specific citation, however, from another immigration paper issued by the UKBA they note this: Sep 16 11 06:42 am Link ChristerArt wrote: I LOVE our immigration for doing this. Seriously - rather your friends delayed a bit and then (correctly) let in than just waved through. Sep 16 11 09:38 am Link |
