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Photographer

Image Magik

Posts: 1515

Santa Cruz, California, US

This post is primarily for newbie models with a few pictures in their port of not very good quality that just started modeling a month ago and want to charge "photographers" to shoot them nude to make a quick buck.
Whether you know it or not your port says GWC's Wanted.

Jul 20 13 05:05 am Link

Photographer

In Balance Photography

Posts: 3378

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Image Magik wrote:
This post is primarily for newbie models with a few pictures in their port of not very good quality that just started modeling a month ago and want to charge "photographers" to shoot them nude to make a quick buck.
Whether you know it or not your port says GWC's Wanted.

What's your point?

Jul 20 13 05:09 am Link

Photographer

J-PhotoArt

Posts: 1133

San Francisco, California, US

Image Magik wrote:
This post is primarily for newbie models with a few pictures in their port of not very good quality that just started modeling a month ago and want to charge "photographers" to shoot them nude to make a quick buck.
Whether you know it or not your port says GWC's Wanted.

This sounds like the battle cry of a "White Knight!"

Jul 20 13 05:12 am Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 12067

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Image Magik wrote:
This post is primarily for newbie models with a few pictures in their port of not very good quality that just started modeling a month ago and want to charge "photographers" to shoot them nude to make a quick buck.
Whether you know it or not your port says GWC's Wanted.

So, what do you have to tell those models?  "This post isf or" them, but it has no content. And, being willing to pay a novice doesn't make you a "GWC", having creepy motives does.

Jul 20 13 05:17 am Link

Photographer

PATAAZ

Posts: 160

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Are you really expecting models to reply? C'mon. Models are scarce on model mayhem. This has become a boys club. You'd be better off with RC Helis!@

Jul 20 13 05:27 am Link

Photographer

Aspect By Allanah

Posts: 2110

Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom

Latent Images wrote:
Are you really expecting models to reply? C'mon. Models are scarce on model mayhem. This has become a boys club. You'd be better off with RC Helis!@

Hey... hey!

Girls club too wink

Jul 20 13 05:30 am Link

Photographer

Risen Phoenix Photo

Posts: 3779

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

After reading the OPs profile the type of model he brings up, he has no interest in shooting. After all he is the grand poo ba of models who want to be in Playboy, Penthouse and Rolling Stone?

That newbie model trying to earn a buck isn't in his demographic.   Or has he just inflated his bio, to make himself sound so connected to the industry.


So dear OP why should you worry about that poor model trying to make a buck.  You certainly don't have to work with her or pay her.

Jul 20 13 05:40 am Link

Photographer

my_other_profile

Posts: 666

Ankeny, Iowa, US

Edited.

Although, to be fair, I wish someone would've given my naive ass a head's up like this in college when I was working with GWCs on here because I actually thought I might learn something from them...

I guess I did, though.

Jul 20 13 06:05 am Link

Model

Elizabeta Rosandic

Posts: 953

Santa Fe, New Mexico, US

So you figured out that guys who want to take photos to jack off to later will pay models on here lots and lots of money to do so.

And your point is?

Jul 20 13 07:49 am Link

Photographer

Bureau Form Guild

Posts: 1244

Scranton, Pennsylvania, US

It could be said there is a sort of art to even those type photos. Dang all those late 50's camera club photos are pretty copied and admired today. Haven't any of you ever seen work that is so bad it's good? I recollect 70's beaver hunt style Polaroids. Now copied except for the beaver part and considered artistic. I recall the Stones album cover Undercover with depictions of back of men's magazine photography with the eyes blocked out for anonymity. Many consider art today. Hell who knows, stills from some splooge flick will be opening at the Whitney fourty years from now. I see many influences from very reputable art photographers on MM that evoke the days of bygone vice.

For me? DGWC+3 Drunk Guy with Camera + 3 vivitar ghetto strobes. I don't really shoot nudes. Topless implied nipple slips are my limit. I don't want to explain to mom I have taken a career in pornography. She has a bad heart.

Jul 20 13 08:28 am Link

Photographer

TerrysPhotocountry

Posts: 4649

Rochester, New York, US

Am I the only person that is lost with that posting?

Jul 20 13 08:50 am Link

Photographer

ClimaxArt

Posts: 22

New York, New York, US

i think you just have to assume that sometimes people get drunk, high or whatever and sit in front the computer and write shit - amazon bets on this for a decent chunk of change. probably just a drunken, poorly executed attempt to troll.

Jul 20 13 09:04 am Link

Model

Shilo Von Porcelaine

Posts: 235

Los Angeles, California, US

If models are...who cares? Is it really your concern what someone else chooses to do on a modeling social networking site?

Also, if someone just started modeling a month ago, you can't expect them to have amazing photos. And even the most experienced models still have the odd GWC bothering them.

Jul 20 13 10:29 am Link

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Ars Gratia Artis 908

Posts: 80

Wooster, Ohio, US

I do recall reading a forum discussion and a llama chimed in that GWC's were the reason that she hasn't worked a regular job since 2008. We are all here for different reasons, so I second, "What's your point?"

Jul 20 13 10:37 am Link

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Glamour by Glenn

Posts: 1033

Chattanooga, Tennessee, US

GWC wanted? Ok, what can I help you with?

Jul 20 13 10:44 am Link

Photographer

Lumatic

Posts: 13750

Brooklyn, New York, US

Go to the main page, hover over your browser tab until the title pops up and read what it says.

https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7jslpRWZK1ranlh4o1_400.gif

Jul 20 13 10:57 am Link

Model

D A N I

Posts: 4627

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

GWC's pay my bills and other photographers' rates. At least that what I use them for *shrug*

Jul 20 13 11:05 am Link

Photographer

RBM Photo

Posts: 557

Bellbrook, Ohio, US

Somedays I think these forums are little more than a fetish club for middle-age men that have a hard-on for lecturing young women.

Jul 20 13 11:10 am Link

Photographer

Marin Photo NYC

Posts: 7348

New York, New York, US

RBM Photo wrote:
Somedays I think these forums are little more than a fetish club for middle-age men that have a hard-on for lecturing young women.

+10

Jul 20 13 11:16 am Link

Photographer

Marin Photo NYC

Posts: 7348

New York, New York, US

GWC's are the reason why noobs charge....compensation for harassment and bad photos. big_smile

Jul 20 13 11:17 am Link

Photographer

Ed Woodson Photography

Posts: 2644

Savannah, Georgia, US

Image Magik wrote:
This post is primarily for newbie models with a few pictures in their port of not very good quality that just started modeling a month ago and want to charge "photographers" to shoot them nude to make a quick buck.
Whether you know it or not your port says GWC's Wanted.

If not for GWC's, about a third of the models on here wouldn't be making a living at all.  More power to both.  It is s free trade market after all.

Jul 20 13 11:35 am Link

Photographer

Risen Phoenix Photo

Posts: 3779

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
So you figured out that guys who want to take photos to jack off to later will pay models on here lots and lots of money to do so.

And your point is?

Really? Wow you have a great imagination... I didn't get that from the OPs post.  Do you think that about all photographers or just the ones that pay models I'm confused.  (Lol) smile

Jul 20 13 11:46 am Link

Photographer

Bureau Form Guild

Posts: 1244

Scranton, Pennsylvania, US

Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
So you figured out that guys who want to take photos to jack off to later will pay models on here lots and lots of money to do so.

And your point is?

That is a broad generalization.

Jul 20 13 11:56 am Link

Photographer

Frank Lewis Photography

Posts: 14491

Winter Park, Florida, US

So...if one is male and happens to own a camera of any sort, the one is a guy with a camera, not so?

You are trying to make the initials GWC mean something bad and I won't let you.

I'm male and I own a camera. I am also an avid hobbyist who enjoys photographing lots of things including the occasional female model.

This GWC thing, get over it and grow up.

If you are a model who is occasionally paid by a so-called GWC: take the money and run.

Jul 20 13 12:07 pm Link

Photographer

Bureau Form Guild

Posts: 1244

Scranton, Pennsylvania, US

Didn't Jacques Henri Lartigue start out as a GWC?

Jul 20 13 12:36 pm Link

Model

Elizabeta Rosandic

Posts: 953

Santa Fe, New Mexico, US

Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:

Really? Wow you have a great imagination... I didn't get that from the OPs post.  Do you think that about all photographers or just the ones that pay models I'm confused.  (Lol) smile

The OP's post was about GWC's. The implication behind the title of GWC is one of sexual motivation.

Jul 20 13 12:39 pm Link

Model

Elizabeta Rosandic

Posts: 953

Santa Fe, New Mexico, US

Antediluvian Design wrote:

That is a broad generalization.

Of GWC's? Isn't that kind of the definition of a GWC?

Jul 20 13 12:40 pm Link

Photographer

Bureau Form Guild

Posts: 1244

Scranton, Pennsylvania, US

Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:

The OP's post was about GWC's. The implication behind the title of GWC is one of sexual motivation.

Is that the rationale I should use for OMG?

OMG = mindless twit hobbyist model with bad cam phone banios photos?

Jul 20 13 12:45 pm Link

Photographer

Nelia

Posts: 2166

San Francisco, California, US

Frank Lewis Photography wrote:
So...if one is male and happens to own a camera of any sort, the one is a guy with a camera, not so?

You are trying to make the initials GWC mean something bad and I won't let you.

I'm male and I own a camera. I am also an avid hobbyist who enjoys photographing lots of things including the occasional female model.

This GWC thing, get over it and grow up.

If you are a model who is occasionally paid by a so-called GWC: take the money and run.

I must say well stated... and I whole heartedly agree with!

Jul 20 13 12:49 pm Link

Model

Elizabeta Rosandic

Posts: 953

Santa Fe, New Mexico, US

Antediluvian Design wrote:

Is that the rationale I should use for OMG?

OMG = mindless twit hobbyist model with bad cam phone banios photos?

I really don't know what you're trying to ask. Are you asking if so-called OMG's are sexually motivated? I would say no, that they are naïvely motivated by the possibility of being a model, even though they have no idea how to accomplish this.

I thought these things had long ago been established in the forums.

Jul 20 13 12:52 pm Link

Photographer

Eclectic Vision

Posts: 8281

Toledo, Ohio, US

Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:
Really? Wow you have a great imagination... I didn't get that from the OPs post.  Do you think that about all photographers or just the ones that pay models I'm confused.  (Lol) smile

She is specifically talking about GWCs. A GWC is a guy that uses photography to get his jollies.

And yeah that is how a lot of models make money on here. Woop dee doo.

Jul 20 13 01:03 pm Link

Photographer

J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 12221

Los Angeles, California, US

Image Magik wrote:
This post is primarily for newbie models with a few pictures in their port of not very good quality that just started modeling a month ago and want to charge "photographers" to shoot them nude to make a quick buck.
Whether you know it or not your port says GWC's Wanted.

You may be missing, that very possibly that is exactly the "model's" intent.
MM kind of caters to that scenario if you hadn't noticed.

Jul 20 13 01:08 pm Link

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Model MoRina

Posts: 6638

MacMurdo - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by New Zealand, Antarctica

The GWC is mythical creature, talked about by photographers who, although they spend thousands of dollars for gear, refuse to pay models for their time, citing their talent, experience or intention to publish a picture.

These photographers have convinced models that this mythical creature exists and is evil. They speak about the legend of the evil GWC who pays models and how he must have evil intentions. They deny the GWC has legitimate intentions in order that models shun them in fear. They attempt to get models to equate a photographer who offers money to shoot with a person (the “GWC”) who has bad intentions or is perverse.

Even models now use the term GWC, showing they have been brainwashed to believe this legend. They buy into the concept that they if they accept money from a photographer with questionable skill, that they must have done something to be ashamed of, or must proudly wave the “I got paid” banner to justify it.

Jul 20 13 01:12 pm Link

Photographer

J-PhotoArt

Posts: 1133

San Francisco, California, US

MoRina wrote:
The GWC is mythical creature, talked about by photographers who, although they spend thousands of dollars for gear, refuse to pay models for their time, citing their talent, experience or intention to publish a picture.

These photographers have convinced models that this mythical creature exists and is evil. They speak about the legend of the evil GWC who pays models and how he must have evil intentions. They deny the GWC has legitimate intentions in order that models shun them in fear. They attempt to get models to equate a photographer who offers money to shoot with a person (the “GWC”) who has bad intentions or is perverse.

Even models now use the term GWC, showing they have been brainwashed to believe this legend. They buy into the concept that they if they accept money from a photographer with questionable skill, that they must have done something to be ashamed of, or must proudly wave the “I got paid” banner to justify it.

Excellent post!

Jul 20 13 01:17 pm Link

Photographer

Jeffrey M Fletcher

Posts: 4861

Asheville, North Carolina, US

Image Magik wrote:
This post is primarily for newbie models with a few pictures in their port of not very good quality that just started modeling a month ago and want to charge "photographers" to shoot them nude to make a quick buck.
Whether you know it or not your port says GWC's Wanted.

Are the newbie models to understand that the way to avoid questions about their intellect and taste and even some light slut shaming would be to pay photographers?

Jul 20 13 02:12 pm Link

Photographer

Dean Johnson Photo

Posts: 70925

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

MoRina wrote:
The GWC is mythical creature, talked about by photographers who, although they spend thousands of dollars for gear, refuse to pay models for their time, citing their talent, experience or intention to publish a picture.

These photographers have convinced models that this mythical creature exists and is evil. They speak about the legend of the evil GWC who pays models and how he must have evil intentions. They deny the GWC has legitimate intentions in order that models shun them in fear. They attempt to get models to equate a photographer who offers money to shoot with a person (the “GWC”) who has bad intentions or is perverse.

Even models now use the term GWC, showing they have been brainwashed to believe this legend. They buy into the concept that they if they accept money from a photographer with questionable skill, that they must have done something to be ashamed of, or must proudly wave the “I got paid” banner to justify it.

You're on a roll today!

Jul 20 13 02:19 pm Link

Photographer

Mcary

Posts: 1803

Fredericksburg, Virginia, US

Image Magik wrote:
This post is primarily for newbie models with a few pictures in their port of not very good quality that just started modeling a month ago and want to charge "photographers" to shoot them nude to make a quick buck.
Whether you know it or not your port says GWC's Wanted.

Yes why in the world would newbie models with just a few poor quality picture in their port want to start charging photographer when there are so many photographers on MM that would happily work with them on a trade basis to help them increase the number of poor quality images in their port from just a few to 20 or 30 or even more smile

Jul 20 13 02:21 pm Link

Photographer

Photofixia

Posts: 70

Auckland, Auckland, New Zealand

I've always thought that certain photographers who have high, over-inflated opinions of themselves and their abilities are the ones who constantly drone on about 'GWC'. It's their way of saying "Hey look at me I'm such a cool, hot-shot photographer that everyone else is beneath me". If a model looks at a photographer's portfolio and decides that he/she wants to work with that particular photographer (whatever their ability/style etc) then that's the end of the story!

Jul 20 13 02:35 pm Link

Photographer

Photofixia

Posts: 70

Auckland, Auckland, New Zealand

MoRina wrote:
The GWC is mythical creature, talked about by photographers who, although they spend thousands of dollars for gear, refuse to pay models for their time, citing their talent, experience or intention to publish a picture.

These photographers have convinced models that this mythical creature exists and is evil. They speak about the legend of the evil GWC who pays models and how he must have evil intentions. They deny the GWC has legitimate intentions in order that models shun them in fear. They attempt to get models to equate a photographer who offers money to shoot with a person (the “GWC”) who has bad intentions or is perverse.

Even models now use the term GWC, showing they have been brainwashed to believe this legend. They buy into the concept that they if they accept money from a photographer with questionable skill, that they must have done something to be ashamed of, or must proudly wave the “I got paid” banner to justify it.

Well said!

Jul 20 13 02:37 pm Link

Photographer

Model Mentor Studio

Posts: 1359

Saint Catharines-Niagara, Ontario, Canada

MoRina wrote:
The GWC is mythical creature, talked about by photographers who, although they spend thousands of dollars for gear, refuse to pay models for their time, citing their talent, experience or intention to publish a picture.

These photographers have convinced models that this mythical creature exists and is evil. They speak about the legend of the evil GWC who pays models and how he must have evil intentions. They deny the GWC has legitimate intentions in order that models shun them in fear. They attempt to get models to equate a photographer who offers money to shoot with a person (the “GWC”) who has bad intentions or is perverse.

Even models now use the term GWC, showing they have been brainwashed to believe this legend. They buy into the concept that they if they accept money from a photographer with questionable skill, that they must have done something to be ashamed of, or must proudly wave the “I got paid” banner to justify it.

While I don't pay models and they don't pay me...the thousands I have spent is part of why I don't pay models. My money is in shooting peoples pets so I do all TF. I am a hobbyist, not a GWC.
If guys want to pay nude models..awesome. Who cares, really. What they do with the pics...who cares. Once the shutter is released and the money paid..the rest means nothing. A paid gig is a paid gig.

Jul 20 13 02:39 pm Link