John Photography wrote:
I'm sad..... So many people I loved growing up are total dicks in real life.


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He's been convicted already, then?

Kent Art Photography wrote:

He's been convicted already, then?

Only in the court of public opinion. 

But 13 accusations doesn't bode well for him.

Kent Art Photography wrote:
He's been convicted already, then?

aspergianLens wrote:
Only in the court of public opinion. 

But 13 accusations doesn't bode well for him.

Innocent until proven guilty.

That's supposed to be the way it works around here.

Click Hamilton wrote:
Innocent until proven guilty.

That's supposed to be the way it works around here.

these stories of him have been rehashed before. either he's really good at keeping these things silent, or it's a witch hunt.

YOU MAKE THE CALL! 

looking for moral high ground out of celebrities/politicians/athletes is about as futile as finding moral high ground with most regular joes. some are moral, some aren't. the problem is, most celebs, etc, have pr machinery that can spin them towards whatever light they'd like you to see them in. regular joe can't.

all the media types seemed to have stood behind him before (and in his paternity case), but they appear to be cutting bait this time around.

John Photography wrote:
I'm sad..... So many people I loved growing up are total dicks in real life.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery … -my-story/

I've read a discussion of a social critic, forgot the name and context, but that person said America has loves to build heroes, and is obsessed with tearing them down.

Now, he's already convicted in Public Court of Opinion and to be presumed innocent until proven guilty (that's just a figure of speech anyway)... however... I've read a few descriptions by alleged victims and I have to say that, despite some appearing outrageous, I wouldn't be surprised if a few of those allegations might have some truth to it.

People in power and with influence...

udor wrote:
I've read a discussion of a social critic, forgot the name and context, but that person said America has loves to build heroes, and is obsessed with tearing them down.

so this conspiray lasted 77 years?

hey (hey hey), he has had this shit brought up before. not to mention his other moral shortcomings. one could say "where there's smoke", too. i could see that if we were discussing a guy in his 20's, 30's, maybe even 40's. this could all be a comeuppance. who knows?

GDS Photos wrote:
Accused is the word we should be focusing on here.  In the UK, we have had a plethora of cases against celebrities from the 70's and 80's.   Most are tosh and worryingly, some of the convictions are insane in my opinion.  Historic claims are difficult to defend agains.  The police look for patterns of behaviour and then they decide it is evidence.  Ultimately in most cases, it is one person's word against that of another.  Balance of probability now seems to be where the bar is set in these cases rather than beyond reasonable doubt.

these tales always seem to hinge on the players. i could take person a, and say that person b (the accuser) waited years to come forth with their specific claims. now, depending on whom person a, vs person b is, the court of public opinion usually sways to the side of the known entity.

sad, but simple human behavior, at its most base elements.

GDS Photos wrote:
Accused is the word we should be focusing on here.  In the UK, we have had a plethora of cases against celebrities from the 70's and 80's.   Most are tosh and worryingly, some of the convictions are insane in my opinion.  Historic claims are difficult to defend agains.  The police look for patterns of behaviour and then they decide it is evidence.  Ultimately in most cases, it is one person's word against that of another.  Balance of probability now seems to be where the bar is set in these cases rather than beyond reasonable doubt.

The UK seems to have gone crazy on this stuff... What started it?

John Photography wrote:
The UK seems to have gone crazy on this stuff... What started it?

If I remember right, an investigation found that the BBC heads officially hushed up child rape & sex abuses charges from one of their long-time, popular hosts over a matter of 20+ years.

Click Hamilton wrote:
Innocent until proven guilty only in a court of law.

That's supposed to be the way it works around here.

Corrected.

Farenell Photography wrote:

If I remember right, an investigation found that the BBC heads officially hushed up child rape & sex abuses charges from one of their long-time, popular hosts over a matter of 20+ years.

Oh you mean Operation Yewtree ah yeah..

But now it seems they are going after any and all celebrities with any hint of an allegation in the UK...  Some of those old rock bands better watch out.

John Photography wrote:
I'm sad..... So many people I loved growing up are total dicks in real life.


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So, after this allegedly happened, Bowman tells her agent, her friends, and even goes to a lawyer. Seems like she was telling a bunch of people that she was raped and no one believed her.

Of course, she didn't tell the police so we don't know if they would have listened to her or not.

Evan Hiltunen wrote:
So, after this allegedly happened, Bowman tells her agent, her friends, and even goes to a lawyer. Seems like she was telling a bunch of people that she was raped and no one believed her.

Of course, she didn't tell the police so we don't know if they would have listened to her or not.

It's like the "hey dad scandal" victims ran to the TV tabloids, womens magazines, and anyone else other then the police. In fact the police were the last port of call...

But in the case of Robert Hughes the star of Hey Dad an aussie TV show accused of this kind of crime I think they did try the police but they were not taken seriously, and that is why they did it the long roundabout way they did.

GDS Photos wrote:
Accused is the word we should be focusing on here.  In the UK, we have had a plethora of cases against celebrities from the 70's and 80's.   Most are tosh and worryingly, some of the convictions are insane in my opinion.  Historic claims are difficult to defend agains.  The police look for patterns of behaviour and then they decide it is evidence.  Ultimately in most cases, it is one person's word against that of another.  Balance of probability now seems to be where the bar is set in these cases rather than beyond reasonable doubt.

One persons word against another is one thing. 57 peoples word all saying the same thing against another is something else entirely.

Rolf, DLT, Saville, all seem like deeply unpleasant characters - you really think they weren't abusers and child sex offenders? Gary Glitter is up for charges AGAIN - after being thrown out of Vietnam for fucking 11 year olds (and paying their family compensatin) and serving time for possession of child pron.  Far from being frivolous they are long overdue! How can you have sympathy for a man who fucks a 11 year old while in the same bed as her 10 year old sister ?

John Photography wrote:

Oh you mean Operation Yewtree ah yeah..

But now it seems they are going after any and all celebrities with any hint of an allegation in the UK...  Some of those old rock bands better watch out.

And rightly so - if you look at some of the misogynistic shit those guys used to perpetrate (making a girl insert a live fish into her vagina??) then it's good to see them being held accountable.

John Photography wrote:
The UK seems to have gone crazy on this stuff... What started it?

Jimmy Saville - a very well know TV and Radio celebrity used to collect money for kids with spinal injuries, basically he built a hospital wing for them. Sadly of a night he would roam the hospital and fuck those same helpless crippled kids while staff turned a blind eye.

Kinda served as a wake up call that there was a huge problem with men in power fucking children. So the UK started doing something about it.

I suspect that (same as BSE) the UK sees a problem and does something - so it's seen as a UK problem - while the rest of the world ignores that they have the self same huge problem (academy awards to convicted child rapist and sodomizer Roman Polanski for example?).

John Photography wrote:
I'm sad..... So many people I loved growing up are total dicks in real life.


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I refuse to convict someone without real proof.

John Photography wrote:
I'm sad..... So many people I loved growing up are total dicks in real life.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery … -my-story/

Not sure if the is true or not.  But this happened a lot more than you think in the rich and famous especially in the entertainment industry.  When the little head takes over for the lust, nothing matters.

udor wrote:
People in power and with influence...

Like Terry Richardson ??

Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:

Like Terry Richardson ??

But isn't the shit he does consensual?

John Photography wrote:

But isn't the shit he does consensual?

Not forceable, from the accounts I have read
But Coerced is questionable ?
and the issue of Power and Influence over people is a valid point

John Photography wrote:
But isn't the shit he does consensual?

Farenell Photography wrote:

Corrected.

Drop the "only" and you'd have the correction right...

ontherocks wrote:
based on what i've read i think some models would argue that they were coerced. maybe the law needs to better define the point at which talking someone into something becomes illegal use of force.

There is a pretty good test already.

If you consented of your own free will at the time of the event then it's not rape.

Regrets it afterwards not rape.
Was talked into it not rape.
Was paid for it not rape.

If at any point during the act it becomes "I dont want to do this (anymore...) and it carries on" then it's rape.

While I'm all for protecting the vulnerable in society i'm also in favor of people taking responsibility for their own actions. If everyone who had ever talked (or manipulated) someone else into bed were a criminal then this entire site (and all of all of out friends family and neighbors) would be in gaol.

John Photography wrote:
I'm sad..... So many people I loved growing up are total dicks in real life.


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I've hated Bill Cosby for some time now. From his internalized racism to his respectability politics. And now these rape accusations just further that hatred. He's garbage.

Shon D.- Femme wrote:

I've hated Bill Cosby for some time now. From his internalized racism to his respectability politics. And now these rape accusations just further that hatred. He's garbage.

All rightee then.