Photographer
T J Yun
Posts: 1138
Los Angeles, California, US
Ed Burns Photography wrote:
Part of the reason I shot so few images though, was because of the papparazzi style shoot out that was going on. This kind of annoyed me later on, because I paid for a couple of releases, yet only shot about 20 photos with those models I paid for. Being my first time at one of these, I assumed the guys that were hogging up...errr...shooting these models were also planning on paying them, so I didn't want to step on their toes. I found out later on though, that some of these guys were taking up well over an hours worth of the model's time, then said they had no intention of paying for either the time spent, or a release. I call bullshit. Actually all the group shoot I've attended is like that. You can arrange something before hand with model that you want to shoot with her after or before the event. It is hard to get great artistic images from group shoots, but it's more network with new models and photographers that you usually don't shoot with. You are like me my first group shoot expectation was too high, but at least Micheal's group shoot is put together very well compare to other group shoot I've attended.
Photographer
Mike D photography
Posts: 230
Carlisle, Pennsylvania, US
JULIE LEIGH BOLENE wrote:
most photographers seemed completely unaware that we werent paid, I for one didn't know there was no pay for models...I figured there was a base pay and then extra for commercial releases.
Ed Burns Photography wrote:
Part of the reason I shot so few images though, was because of the papparazzi style shoot out that was going on. This kind of annoyed me later on, because I paid for a couple of releases, yet only shot about 20 photos with those models I paid for. Being my first time at one of these, I assumed the guys that were hogging up...errr...shooting these models were also planning on paying them, so I didn't want to step on their toes. I found out later on though, that some of these guys were taking up well over an hours worth of the model's time, then said they had no intention of paying for either the time spent, or a release. I call bullshit. Also every group shoot i have been to has also been like that and they have to be unless your at least very close to 1:1 photographer model ratio...
Photographer
Key Productions
Posts: 528
Oceanside, California, US
Bump again...  ![https://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j108/keyturn/Malibu-354-1-1.jpg]()
Photographer
Key Productions
Posts: 528
Oceanside, California, US
V Studio wrote:
man, this pic is awesome......what did you do to get this effect if you dont mind me asking? I had have couple drinks of scotch and I was just messing around with CS4. To be very honest I don't even know which tools I used, that was just a trial and error game... 
Photographer
V Studio
Posts: 1825
La Mirada, California, US
your pic rocks!!!! another contribution ![https://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w150/penskeaudi/seajshower.jpg]()
Photographer
V Studio
Posts: 1825
La Mirada, California, US
![https://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w150/penskeaudi/cassandrasheer.jpg]() she looked soo stunning here
Photographer
Art Silva
Posts: 10064
Santa Barbara, California, US
Looking at these great shots I'm bummed I had to miss out but after reading this debate I'm actually glad I didn't go sorry to say, what a mess. Bottom line guys is that if you shoot a good amount or not alot but like what you shot, pay the 20 bucks and send the model images you edit for good measure and if in the un foreseen future you do use the shots (which has happened) contact the model and discuss it. besides most legit publications will require official standard releases from both model and photographer, so you don't wanna burn any bridges here.... Professionalism, fairness and common courtesy goes a long ways  As far as the paparazzi ambush of a sets, yeah, recognize what's going on before you jump in on someones posed shoot. This is common occurance... no wonder the girls sometimes feel cheated at these events. Just my two cents and personal experience
Photographer
Karl Yamashita
Posts: 3305
Temecula, California, US
Art Silva Photography wrote:
As far as the paparazzi ambush of a sets, yeah, recognize what's going on before you jump in on someones posed shoot. This is common occurance... Yeah, last event i was at the model wanted to shoot with me 1 on 1 so we moved to a remote location. I started to set up my strobe and getting some tests shots in. As i was adjusting my camera settings, some asian guy came up and set up his strobe in FRONT of my light. Then he stood BETWEEN me and my model. He started to take some shots and i was dumbfounded by his actions. WTF?!!
Well after 4 or 5 shots he paused a second to look at his LCD screen. The model looked at me for a few seconds and we both started to laugh. The guy had the nerve to ask the model what was so funny. I'm sure some of you guys may know whom i am talking about. He does that to everybody, lol.
Photographer
EdBPhotography
Posts: 7741
Torrance, California, US
Karl Yamashita wrote:
Yeah, last event i was at the model wanted to shoot with me 1 on 1 so we moved to a remote location. I started to set up my strobe and getting some tests shots in. As i was adjusting my camera settings, some asian guy came up and set up his strobe in FRONT of my light. Then he stood BETWEEN me and my model. He started to take some shots and i was dumbfounded by his actions. WTF?!!
Well after 4 or 5 shots he paused a second to look at his LCD screen. The model looked at me for a few seconds and we both started to laugh. The guy had the nerve to ask the model what was so funny. I'm sure some of you guys may know whom i am talking about. He does that to everybody, lol. ![https://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9G_bF8duhNKdYoAqDejzbkF/SIG=134firjfk/EXP=1242893213/**http%3A//images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1019862/photo_08_hires.jpg]()
KES-LERRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!
Photographer
K E S L E R
Posts: 11574
Los Angeles, California, US
Ed Burns Photography wrote:
![https://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9G_bF8duhNKdYoAqDejzbkF/SIG=134firjfk/EXP=1242893213/**http%3A//images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1019862/photo_08_hires.jpg]()
KES-LERRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! No, it wasn't me. I would have laughed also if it was
Photographer
V Studio
Posts: 1825
La Mirada, California, US
nahhhh Kesler's lenses are long enough he can stand a mile away
Photographer
T J Yun
Posts: 1138
Los Angeles, California, US
Karl Yamashita wrote:
Yeah, last event i was at the model wanted to shoot with me 1 on 1 so we moved to a remote location. I started to set up my strobe and getting some tests shots in. As i was adjusting my camera settings, some asian guy came up and set up his strobe in FRONT of my light. Then he stood BETWEEN me and my model. He started to take some shots and i was dumbfounded by his actions. WTF?!!
Well after 4 or 5 shots he paused a second to look at his LCD screen. The model looked at me for a few seconds and we both started to laugh. The guy had the nerve to ask the model what was so funny. I'm sure some of you guys may know whom i am talking about. He does that to everybody, lol. Are you talking about me!
Photographer
Karl Yamashita
Posts: 3305
Temecula, California, US
Ed Burns Photography wrote:
![https://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9G_bF8duhNKdYoAqDejzbkF/SIG=134firjfk/EXP=1242893213/**http%3A//images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/gallery/1019862/photo_08_hires.jpg]()
KES-LERRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! No it wasn't Kesler. He has his own story.
Photographer
Karl Yamashita
Posts: 3305
Temecula, California, US
Star Studio wrote:
Are you talking about me! No i'm not talking about you. I've never seen you at a group shoot have i?
Photographer
Son Tran
Posts: 18
Gardena, California, US
Karl Yamashita wrote:
Yeah, last event i was at the model wanted to shoot with me 1 on 1 so we moved to a remote location. I started to set up my strobe and getting some tests shots in. As i was adjusting my camera settings, some asian guy came up and set up his strobe in FRONT of my light. Then he stood BETWEEN me and my model. He started to take some shots and i was dumbfounded by his actions. WTF?!!
Well after 4 or 5 shots he paused a second to look at his LCD screen. The model looked at me for a few seconds and we both started to laugh. The guy had the nerve to ask the model what was so funny. I'm sure some of you guys may know whom i am talking about. He does that to everybody, lol. Was it me ?????
Photographer
T J Yun
Posts: 1138
Los Angeles, California, US
Karl Yamashita wrote:
No i'm not talking about you. I've never seen you at a group shoot have i? Weren't you at Micheal's Laguna hill or this shoot? I don't know all Asian guys look alike!
Photographer
Son Tran
Posts: 18
Gardena, California, US
Star Studio wrote:
Weren't you at Micheal's Laguna hill or this shoot? I don't know all Asian guys look alike! HAHAHAA! We all same same
Photographer
V Studio
Posts: 1825
La Mirada, California, US
Karl Yamashita wrote:
Yeah, last event i was at the model wanted to shoot with me 1 on 1 so we moved to a remote location. I started to set up my strobe and getting some tests shots in. As i was adjusting my camera settings, some asian guy came up and set up his strobe in FRONT of my light. Then he stood BETWEEN me and my model. He started to take some shots and i was dumbfounded by his actions. WTF?!!
Well after 4 or 5 shots he paused a second to look at his LCD screen. The model looked at me for a few seconds and we both started to laugh. The guy had the nerve to ask the model what was so funny. I'm sure some of you guys may know whom i am talking about. He does that to everybody, lol. Karl, was it me? I know we all look alike?
Model
Dae Daniels
Posts: 401
Los Angeles, California, US
V Studio wrote:
Karl, was it me? I know we all look alike? Maybe it was ME!!!!? 
Photographer
SNAPSHOT LA
Posts: 7020
Los Angeles, California, US
Im gonna take a wild guess and say................HHMMMMMMM
aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
DREW!!!
Photographer
Karl Yamashita
Posts: 3305
Temecula, California, US
Dae Daniels wrote:
Maybe it was ME!!!!? If it was you i would have been shooting you instead of the other model.
Photographer
Karl Yamashita
Posts: 3305
Temecula, California, US
Star Studio wrote:
Weren't you at Micheal's Laguna hill or this shoot? I don't know all Asian guys look alike! Yeah, probably. God forbid if there is another Karl/Carl at a shoot. I had a couple of models message me and say thanks for a great shoot. I told them they mistaken me for another guy and i never attended. I think they were too embarrassed and never replied back, lol.
Photographer
Karl Yamashita
Posts: 3305
Temecula, California, US
SNAPSHOT LA wrote:
Im gonna take a wild guess and say................HHMMMMMMM
aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
DREW!!! Hell, Drew ends up shooting my model instead of his. He takes my strobe and all.
Photographer
V Studio
Posts: 1825
La Mirada, California, US
Karl Yamashita wrote:
Hell, Drew ends up shooting my model instead of his. He takes my strobe and all. hillllarious
Model
Metalexca
Posts: 2
San Marcos, California, US
that was a waste taking cassandra to that shoot that bitch is beat compared to the rest should have had other girls there instead... fuckin droopy horse face bitch lol
Model
Metalexca
Posts: 2
San Marcos, California, US
shit she has buck ass teeth and no top lip and a beer belly to go with it lol
Photographer
SNAPSHOT LA
Posts: 7020
Los Angeles, California, US
Karl Yamashita wrote:
If it was you i would have been shooting you instead of the other model. What are you trying to say about your model?
You should start a forum about this very topic.
Ummmm nevermind I think you have before.
Model
Miss Amy Ripp
Posts: 960
San Diego, California, US
Metalexca wrote:
that was a waste taking cassandra to that shoot that bitch is beat compared to the rest should have had other girls there instead... fuckin droopy horse face bitch lol Metalexca wrote:
shit she has buck ass teeth and no top lip and a beer belly to go with it lol woah! I've been following the thread just to see the pretty pictures. And here's this straight outta left field! umm .... 
Photographer
EdBPhotography
Posts: 7741
Torrance, California, US
Metalexca wrote:
that was a waste taking cassandra to that shoot that bitch is beat compared to the rest should have had other girls there instead... fuckin droopy horse face bitch lol Wow!...thanks for that observation Blue Steel. But you might want to read the rules about posting in forums first...especially the part about unsolicited critiques. I know, I know...there aren't alot of pictures to go with the text, but if you set aside half your day, or maybe give yourself a weekend, you might be able to get to the bottom of the page and understand what you're reading.
After that, you might want to look up the word "Douchebag" in the dictionary. If you have trouble looking it up, then just flip through the book until you find your picture.
Photographer
V Studio
Posts: 1825
La Mirada, California, US
Photographer
Karl Yamashita
Posts: 3305
Temecula, California, US
SNAPSHOT LA wrote:
What are you trying to say about your model?
You should start a forum about this very topic.
Ummmm nevermind I think you have before.
It was a joke. I would shoot them both.
Model
Iris has pale lips
Posts: 3083
San Diego, California, US
Metalexca wrote:
that was a waste taking cassandra to that shoot that bitch is beat compared to the rest should have had other girls there instead... fuckin droopy horse face bitch lol I hope this is the fastest brig ever
Photographer
K E S L E R
Posts: 11574
Los Angeles, California, US
Karl Yamashita wrote:
No it wasn't Kesler. He has his own story. Indeed I do have stories...
2 years ago I was attended my first group shoot in Vista and brought my own model. This one Asian dood kept trying to steal my model away and was kinda pushy. She kept saying no and so did I.
For the remainder of the shoot he kept shooting over my head with his Nikon telephoto lens. Very annoying.
I later became good friends with this douchebag though so its all good
Photographer
Greg Kolack
Posts: 18392
Elmhurst, Illinois, US
Metalexca wrote:
shit she has buck ass teeth and no top lip and a beer belly to go with it lol Well, that's a hell of a first impression now, isn't it?
Photographer
SNAPSHOT LA
Posts: 7020
Los Angeles, California, US
K E S L E R wrote:
Indeed I do have stories...
2 years ago I was attended my first group shoot in Vista and brought my own model. This one Asian dood kept trying to steal my model away and was kinda pushy. She kept saying no and so did I.
For the remainder of the shoot he kept shooting over my head with his Nikon telephoto lens. Very annoying.
I later became good friends with this douchebag though so its all good AAAAAAAAAAAAwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww karl and K E S E L E R haven't been separated since. lol
Now you guys have some adopted sons.
Photographer
Paul Brecht
Posts: 12232
Colton, California, US
Metalexca wrote:
that was a waste taking cassandra to that shoot that bitch is beat compared to the rest should have had other girls there instead... fuckin droopy horse face bitch lol Metalexca wrote:
shit she has buck ass teeth and no top lip and a beer belly to go with it lol Very uncalled for. Whether or not you like her, that's your business, but to be publicly insulting, well, this just seems so 3rd grad'ish...
Grow up...
Paul
Model
Kayla-Jane Danger
Posts: 303
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Photomezzo wrote:
I agree with Gary, but then I post unauthorized images:
![https://www.pbase.com/photomezzo/image/112511675.jpg]() it would be nice if you sent these to me before you posted ....
especially if you are advertising the fact it is unauthorized - its only polite ...
Model
Kayla-Jane Danger
Posts: 303
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Im sorry ... I am now pretty upset about this whole shoot ... i refuse to go back and read all the bs written about pay ... this shoot was not worked out well in any way i am still owed a gift bag that i havent received ... and people are using images they didnt pay for .... THIS IS BS! if you would like releases for the images you are posting please email me at [email protected] or book a shoot with me through here... otherwise I will go through and call you out individually ... you cannot use a models image without her permission...
Photographer
Michael Barrett
Posts: 1149
Upland, California, US
Kayla Jane Danger wrote:
Im sorry ... I am now pretty upset about this whole shoot ... i refuse to go back and read all the bs written about pay ... this shoot was not worked out well in any way i am still owed a gift bag that i havent received ... and people are using images they didnt pay for ....
THIS IS BS!
if you would like releases for the images you are posting please email me at [email protected] or book a shoot with me through here... otherwise I will go through and call you out individually ...
you cannot use a models image without her permission... As far as your bag, I need your mailing address...I wouldv'e gotten it from you that day, but...you left early.
Photographer
P Ranta Photography
Posts: 9
Los Angeles, California, US
Wow...I haven't checked this thread in a while. I honestly didn't know that the models weren't being paid. My company sent me just for future casting purposes. If I would have known that the models were only being paid through selling releases, I would have picked a different group shoot (though the models were wonderful and I don't regret going!)
If any models want to be "re-paid" for their time by getting some of the images I shot (feel free to use them any way you want... sell them... I don't care) then send me a message titled "Malibu Group Shoot". For those of you I'm casting on paid shoots in the future that I found at this shoot, I'll give you some images from the group shoot when we shoot together next!
And don't worry, I'm not using any unauthorized images.
Hope this helps make up for not purchasing releases!
-Phil
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