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Implied, Topless & Nude - Nudity, Erotica, & Porn
I had a model ask me, in a very detailed way, to tell her what I thought was an implied nude shot, and tell her in a detailed and clear way . I started writing, and realized that there was a lot that went into my views and over the years I have had to answer many connecting and similar questions for models. So I decided to write it all down and save it so that it was all available for any model that asked. Here is what I came up with. It is a bit graphic, but only to be clear and precise. I know not everyone will agree with me, after all I was asked what I think because not everyone thinks the same. I'd like to get some model feed back, what you agree with, and what you don't, and possibly why. Thanks Tim Implied, Topless & Nude I donât know how many models I have heard from that think that they can still wear a bra and panties in an implied nude shot. To me the breakdown is simple: NUDE : âwearing no clothesâ, which means no clothing of any kind, and every inch of your body may be photographed . IMPLIED NUDE : âto make wearing no clothes understood without expressing it directlyâ it would require a model to be nude but her genitalia, anus, and nipples would be covered in a photograph . TOPLESS : âwearing no covering over the breasts or upper torsoâ would allow anything but a models genitalia and anus to be photographed . IMPLIED TOPLESS: to make wearing no covering over the breasts or upper torso understood without expressing it directlyâ would allow a model to wear clothing that covers her genitalia and anus, but would require her to be topless. her nipples would be covered in a photograph . For clarification purposes I understand female genitalia to the Vulva which includes the labia majora, clitoral hood, labia minora, and clitoris include basically everything from the top of the labia majora crack or âcreaseâ in front to the back side or base of the vaginal opening. Anus is the rectal opening and immediate surrounding area. Nipples are exactly and only that, although I consider her areola generally off limits too, but I have been known to Photoshop out a little areola if I have to. Although not included technically in the 3 areas listed above I consider the "taint" or perineum, the area between the base of the vaginal opening and the anus to be off limits for non nude shoots. I do not consider butt crack whether partially covered or completely visible to be nudity, just like you can wear a g-string at the beach and not be indecent. In most implied topless or implied nude settings I would assume that the models nipples, anus, or genitalia may occasionally be visible to the photographer but should never be intentionally photographed. I would suspect that during an implied topless or implied nude shoot that it would be all but impossible to keep a models nipples, anus, or genitalia hidden from view at all times. I do also think that any model that is serious and professional about her work understands that there may be times when she is "overexposed" in front of a photographer, but in dealing with a professional photographer that situation should never be taken advantage of. All said there needs to be a certain amount of trust in the connection between model and photographer to create outstanding images. It is entirely possible that model can be completely unclothed in a photo but because of the pose or the angle of the shot her vulva is not visible; I would not consider that shooting nude, but rather Topless with Implied Nudity. I donât not consider models, who only expose only their breasts in photos, to be nude models either. Visible pubic hair does not mean nudity either, in most cases itâs just a little trashy. I look at cleavage, butt crack and front crease similarly, all are for lack of a better word exciting, but do not necessarily constitute nudity. Nudity, Erotica & Pornography I shoot nudity, and the occasional Erotica, but nothing I consider Pornographic. It has nothing to do with morals, religious beliefs, whether or not it has artistic value, It is just an agreement I have made with my fiancé. Here is how I view 18+ photography. NUDITY is the celebration of the unclothed human figure. Photography of this sort has no intention of eliciting any sexual response or feelings in the viewer, but for some it may. EROTICA is the sensual and/or artistic depiction of a nude model in a manner so as to arouse an intense emotional or physical reaction without portrayal explicit sexual acts. PORNOGRAPHY is the depiction of explicit sexual acts for the sole purpose of sexually exciting the viewer. I often use the Magazine names commonly used to describe the specific type of 18+ photography being discussed. MAXIM: essentially clothed or partially clothed Erotica. PLAYBOY: Erotica with no visible vulva, what I like to call almost nude. PENTHOUSE: Nude Erotica with visible vulva, what I call nude. HUSTLER: Pornographic with visible vagina and/or penetration. To help models better understand what type of shots I feel fall into what category without having images to show I will describe some hypothetical shots for you. Any implied shot I would consider Maxim style, along with most Bikini, and Lingerie work. Maxim is the style I shoot most, I like my images to grab the viewers attention with beauty and sensuality, and provoke that emotional or physical response. Most topless shots , shots where the model has her legs closed, or shots where her hips are turned as to not show the pubic area I would consider Playboy style. You may also see the very front of the labia majora or as I call it front âcreaseâ in a Playboy style shot. Penthouse has changed over the last 5 years, I use to consider them hard core pornography, but now they are very similar to playboy with the exception that not every model has to be a fake chestâd blond. Penthouse style shots are ones where most of the parts of the models vulva may be visible, while her legs may or may not be spread. Shots with spread open legs, visible labia minora, (ladyhawk), clitoris or anus are also considered Penthouse style. While some models do, I never use the term âspreadsâ in reference to legs, it refers to the labia minora. If a model has open or spread apart labia minora (lips) and she is not actively spreading her lips in the photo, it is pushing the limits, but I would consider that Penthouse style as well. If a model is actively spreading her labia minora in the photograph, or her vaginal opening is gaping (pink shot) then that is where I consider the image to be pornographic and thus Hustler style. Other Hustler style shots would include any simulated or actual sexual act, simulated or actual masturbation, and penetration by fingers, toy or other item. A shot of a models face, or upper body only while she is masturbating would not be pornographic. Shots that show only the breasts, buttocks, or vulva like partial figure or close ups would also not necessarily be considered pornographic. Context is always a consideration, and these generalizations about style are not absolute. I purposely have not touched on bondage or other types of work that some mage consider fetish. I have no personal experience in that area and choose to let someone more versed than I handle that. Jul 24 09 03:21 am Link I'm sure this thread will become an invaluable reference for models wishing to know your thoughts on these matters  Just my $0.02 Ciao Stefano www.stefanobrunesci.com Jul 24 09 03:23 am Link I can see why you wouldn't want to type that out twenty times a day. Jul 24 09 03:27 am Link Stefano Brunesci wrote: That is not the intent. My intention is to get feedback from models that don't care what my thoughts are and that otherwise I will probably never hear from. I would like to see where my views are aligned with the majority and where they differ. I can't very well do that just waiting for a model to ask me what I think. Jul 24 09 03:31 am Link Aoxomedia wrote: haha ya Jul 24 09 03:35 am Link I've gotta say, I find it interesting that your fiancee is (seemingly) okay with you shooting anything short of pornography, lol. What's in your port is rather tame though, compared to most. I think the way you define everything is pretty accurate. Jul 24 09 03:43 am Link Next Model That Ask Me What Do You Wanna Shoot ? .......... I will send them to read This and After Ask Them What They Have In Mind ? ........ Thank You .......  Jul 24 09 03:56 am Link That was really long!  I skimmed though and read the actual points of what you classify as each one and they were all what I think they are and in line with my thoughts personaly of how I see them aswell, I think it was a good description of each.  XXOOXX Jul 24 09 04:05 am Link Buna Photo wrote: LMAO....Well I hope so!!!... Jul 24 09 04:16 am Link Nicole Noir wrote: My wife totally supports me capturing nude models and solo erotica and I will be getting into couples erotica. She regularly comes home after work to find a nude model sitting around the house. She actually finds it interesting how these models are comfortable with being nude and it's in fact very inspirational. Jul 24 09 04:28 am Link Saffron G wrote: To some people here on MM, 'too long' seems to be anything more than two sentences. Jul 24 09 04:45 am Link This thread title is terribly misleading. I was devastated when I clicked. I wanted and expected to see Nudity, Erotica, & Porn. Jul 24 09 04:49 am Link Bookmarking this thread:) Jul 24 09 04:51 am Link While "nude", "topless" and "implied" are pretty common as concept, and we could agree with your definition, you have to recognize that "erotica" and "porn" are rather in the eye of the beholder: I doubt to have any kind of pornographic pic in my port, but I'm pretty sure that my grandfather opinion would be different...  Jul 24 09 05:06 am Link Paul Bryson Photography wrote: LMAO! +1 Jul 24 09 05:29 am Link :\ Jul 24 09 05:32 am Link Buna Photo wrote: eww Jul 24 09 05:33 am Link SheaLee wrote: +1 Jul 24 09 05:37 am Link much easier to show photographic examples from various publications and websites. 99.99% of nude models on MM will never become Playmates, but a good number of them will shoot for Playboy's special edition magazines and websites, the special edition magazines show a good deal more than a Playmate shows. On the other hand I've seen Playboy Cyber Girls show even less than a Playmate. They are all over the board these days. About the only thing they don't show is 'pink' and you won't see real close up open leg shots. Jul 24 09 05:43 am Link jo rich UK wrote: Really? C'mon act your age, which really doesn't matter so long as its over 5. Be more mature. Its a multi Billion business for a reason. Jul 24 09 05:45 am Link Very technical, and you said anus a lot I just finished corresponding with a model where I said I wanted to do some topless photos of her, and she said ok. Then I get an e-mail that says - "You don't mean full frontal do you?" I responded - No shirt, no bra, boobs hanging out for the world to see. Now she wasn't so keen on "topless". I mean come on! Even before I got into photography I knew what topless meant, and so did most people I know. It's a general term meaning man/woman with no covering on their upper torso! Jul 24 09 05:54 am Link Buna Photo wrote: That would be YOUR opinion on what implied is. It is not everyone's' opinion, however. Some believe the model can have some coverings/clothing on but the photo may make it look like they don't. Jul 24 09 05:57 am Link Vito wrote: +1 - People keep wanting to attach an unambiguous definition to an ambiguous term. Jul 24 09 06:01 am Link xXLaloXx wrote: naah aahh, entitled to own opinion Jul 24 09 06:02 am Link Buna Photo wrote: I'm trying to imagine a situation where a model who "doesn't do nudes" would be OK with "pubic hair" and / or "front crease." It's not happening. Jul 24 09 06:04 am Link EROTICA is the sensual and/or artistic depiction of a nude model in a manner so as to arouse an intense emotional or physical reaction without portrayal explicit sexual acts. Plenty to read and talk about, but I would disagree with your definition of erotica. I have seen plenty of very erotic photos of women who were clothed or partial clothed. Jul 24 09 06:05 am Link Buna Photo wrote:
Jul 24 09 06:07 am Link Bobby G wrote: LMAO Jul 24 09 06:08 am Link Buna Photo wrote: I've never really liked that definition. To me implied nude is something like this: Jul 24 09 06:11 am Link A++ Note to self. Copy and paste to word file for later use. I will give you credit! Jul 24 09 06:12 am Link tl;dr and kinda pointless anyway. Jul 24 09 07:25 am Link If you are on set nude, regardless of what the finished image portrays its a nude shoot. Sienna Jul 24 09 08:19 am Link Sienna Aldridge wrote: I've spoken with several models, and shot with some, for whom the distinction between "nude on set" and "nude" is very important. What I choose not to deal with is shooting "implied" with a model who is afraid that I will see her. Too much hassle. Either I shoot her clothed, or I don't shoot with her at all in such a case. Jul 24 09 08:23 am Link How about sending the model examples of the kinds of images you want to shoot? Jul 24 09 08:26 am Link MikeRobisonPhotos wrote: Yeah, ran into that last Saturday Jul 24 09 08:32 am Link erm. trying to figure out how to put things  Jul 24 09 08:47 am Link Kess M wrote: Being in college with a minor in English should help with that. Jul 24 09 08:49 am Link jo rich UK wrote: Aren't we really comparing porn to drug, are we? Jul 24 09 09:06 am Link Broken Doll wrote: ey? haha Jul 24 09 09:18 am Link Stefano Brunesci wrote: LOL Jul 24 09 09:21 am Link |
