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Stefano Brunesci wrote: Aug 20 11 03:09 pm Link Stefano Brunesci wrote: /thread. Aug 20 11 03:11 pm Link I shake hands, that's all I'll give directions, move hair or whatever but the model does it. Aug 20 11 03:14 pm Link Doug Lester wrote: This. Aug 20 11 03:15 pm Link InnaDaVida wrote: my policy is to try and avoid working with women like this! Aug 20 11 03:16 pm Link Blue Rose Photos wrote: something different about a man. i'm not sure what it is exactly, but something seems to stick out. Aug 20 11 03:18 pm Link good touch Shaking hands with other models bad touch Touching her with a 10 foot pole :-p Aug 20 11 03:22 pm Link glamourglenn wrote: also note . . . I'm gay! but the not flaming type lol I mostly work with straight guys too. Aug 20 11 03:24 pm Link 
Photographer Posts: 4288 Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica Blue Rose Photos wrote: 10 foot pole... I'd settle for, uh, never mind... Aug 20 11 03:24 pm Link good comeback. i just give them a cold can of coke. saves me some effort. lol. Photo Visions wrote: Aug 20 11 03:27 pm Link And believe it or no but some photographers may not be into the model sexually! SHOCKING!!! Aug 20 11 03:29 pm Link
Photographer Posts: 4288 Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica Blue Rose Photos wrote: Wow, that IS shocking. Maybe it's time for me to change my work ethic. Aug 20 11 03:33 pm Link JSL wrote: Ya you know me... The gay guy always touching the female models to get in their pants. Just like the gay makeup artist and the gay hair stylist! lol Aug 20 11 03:48 pm Link InnaDaVida wrote: Just curious, what makes those job holders different than a photographer in regards to touching you? Aug 20 11 03:57 pm Link JSL wrote: ++++++++++++++100 Aug 20 11 03:58 pm Link I just say "Hey, I'm going to (whatever needs to be done)" and do it. It's a professional environment and all the models I've worked with understand that. We've no time for games and being overly cautious of one's space. If I need to move your hair, I'll say "Hey, there's a weird hair sticking out, lemme move it real quick" and I do it. Used to ask models to fix everything but it was wasted time talking/explaining and 9 out of 10 just tell me to do it myself. Of course, some touching is obviously not gonna happen...like touching breasts, face, butt, etc. But clipping clothing and touching your waist or hips, moving hair, shoulder, etc....all a possibility I'm gonna do it if it's necessary. Aug 20 11 04:02 pm Link yeah, i saw a thread the other day which suggested that pervy lesbians are even more aggressive than pervy hetero males. the sad fact is some photographers do take advantage (at least if you believe the postings in the model forum plus i've heard of some things from models) so i can't say i blame models for being wary. Professor Oni wrote: Aug 20 11 04:04 pm Link
Photographer Posts: 4288 Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica T-D-L wrote: Your approach is way too logical for this place... Aug 20 11 04:05 pm Link Here's something I thought of.... Working with other people is all about compromise, right? No matter what type of business you are in (or hobby) if you work with someone else, someone is going to have to compromise eventually. That's just the nature of human relationships. It really seems reasonable to me, that if a photographer is used to touching a model without asking, and a model is uncomfortable with that, that the photographer compromise and ask before touching. And vice versa. If a model is used to never being touched ever, but the photographer likes to adjust clothing, hair, etc himself, then it seems reasonable to me that the model compromise and let the photographer adjust things/touch in a non-grope-y way. And if the model did her reference checks, she should have at least some level of trust that the photographer in question will not touch her to grope. If a model can't compromise like that...then she/he is probably in the wrong business. I compromise on my shoots all the time. If I'm going to compromise on reasonable things, I expect other people I'm working with to be willing to compromise as well. I'm not talking about serious compromises, but small things. Aug 20 11 04:06 pm Link *palmface* Im sorry, but comedic scenarios, involving a photographer wearing a hazmat suit or a full body condom just came to mind. I wonder, if instead of making up silly criteria, rules, ect, people actually just act professional and get work done? Aug 20 11 04:09 pm Link Yah really, If you can not tell the difference between appropriate or not..who is going to teach you? I go through most shoots without any touching...because it is not needed and I know this is an issue so go with the flow. I know my mind is not into cheep thrills, so I do not ponder this. Working outdoors I offer a hand to help navigate the landscape about half the models like this; about half do not want this. So whatever. In any situation I find understanding another person's boundaries to be the best way to relate to other people. Aug 20 11 04:13 pm Link After reading enough of these threads, I know that touching the model is inappropriate. That's why I just touch myself instead. Aug 20 11 04:20 pm Link liindsay ann wrote:
Aug 20 11 04:21 pm Link I don't often reply to these forums, yet this can be answered very simple if your intentions are honest than don't worry about it. If the model is uncomfortable than why are you shooting together in the first place. It is very rare for good shots to be taken when the photographer and model can't trust each other. Aug 20 11 04:24 pm Link InnaDaVida wrote: I usually ask the model if they mind if I make some adjustments if necessary. Aug 20 11 04:25 pm Link Mark G Bissell wrote: well shoot, that kind of ends the debate, now dosnt it? Aug 20 11 04:26 pm Link InnaDaVida wrote: I have to touch models occasionally to adjust a pose or outfit and I have never had issues. Most of my shoots are with a team of people and there is never any awkwardness... i don't think its a black and white rule, it depends on what is shoot about and the intention of the contact. Aug 20 11 04:29 pm Link
Photographer Posts: 4288 Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica InnaDaVida wrote: OMG, I can't believe it took me this long to come up with the perfect answer... Aug 20 11 04:30 pm Link
Photographer Posts: 4288 Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica Mnemosyne Photography wrote: Sage advice, indeed. Aug 20 11 04:30 pm Link Ironically I let the same people touch me during s shoot to but I am careful to never touch myself. Sometimes I wonder why this site uses the word professional in it's tag line... Aug 20 11 04:40 pm Link If they wanted to move me but couldn't articulate it properly then I wouldn't mind. as long as they didn't try rearrange my facial expression or something then it's ok as long as they ask you Aug 20 11 04:43 pm Link To honest, I'm a very "touchy" person. I hug my people, I pat them on the back, etc. But once the shoot starts I try my damnedest NOT to touch the model. I really don't want her feeling that she's a product to be pushed about and manipulated this way and that. She IS, but that's not something I want to communicated strongly during a shoot. I want to give her some space; enough space to feel comfortable and enough space to give her the feeling that she has some control over her body and her actions. I find, the more of this kind of space I give them the more proactive, the more present, the more responcilble about the shoot they seem to be. And that's just me. ;-) -JULIAN PS. In an effort at full disclosure, I confess I have KISSED my make-up artist in the middle of the shoot because her work was so AWESOME! ;-) Aug 20 11 04:51 pm Link So if a photographer tries to shake your hand, you tell them not to touch you? Sometimes it is okay to be touched. Just as long as they don't slap you. ;P Aug 20 11 04:54 pm Link Julian W I L D E wrote: +1 Aug 20 11 04:56 pm Link Janos - wrote: No Janos you are suppose to run away screaming if the photographer tries to shake your hand. We are in fact highly radio active as some models know. Even close proximity to us can kill kittens several miles away... Aug 20 11 04:57 pm Link AJScalzitti wrote: There's a rather amusing scene playing over in my head right now. Aug 20 11 05:00 pm Link I have no problem with touching a Model. I do cover that in the discussion prior to the actual shoot. I ask if they mind and if they know the difference between a touch to adjust and a cheap feel. Aug 20 11 05:03 pm Link If I see something which needs moving and it's only me and the model I simply ask if they are ok with me udjusting something - which could involve me touching them I'm been shooting pictures for about 50 years and I have NEVER had a model say no They realise that you are looking at the picture and you can see what needs moving and they can't - so what's the sense in asking them to adjust something? Maybe it's because I ask in a profesional way and not some creepy way which makes all the diffence Aug 20 11 05:04 pm Link InnaDaVida wrote: My policy is that I will let a model touch me if it is absolutely neccesary...and only if the model is smoking hot. Aug 20 11 05:08 pm Link If you're a model and don't want to be "Touched" by the person shooting you MALE OR FEMALE you might wanna consider a new hobby. And by "Touched" I mean in a professional way. If you're a guy posing as a photographer just to fondle people that act is gonna get old really quick... People talk. Aug 20 11 05:11 pm Link |
