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Model

Faith EnFire

Posts: 13514

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

I don't care if a photographer touches...so long as he asks and its appropriate touching
i've been known to brush off a model's butt...but I asked first and they said ti was ok

Aug 23 11 05:42 am Link

Photographer

sultanphotography

Posts: 852

Chicago, Illinois, US

this is just like the real world. if you are comfortable with someone, touching is ok and sometimes encouraged. I always ask to fix hair, a strap etc, Typically if there is a MUA, I usually ask her to do it first. Over time, the model generally tells me to fix it. it's always interesting delimna in an implied shoot where I am trying to move a lock of hair to cover a nipple or move a leg to cover her lower parts. Being polite, professional, etc is the way to do it.

Aug 23 11 06:05 am Link

Model

Gabrielle Heather

Posts: 10064

Middle Island, New York, US

Collin J. Rae wrote:
big_smile
I guess I've touched a few hmm

me includedhttps://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/gabriellea/_MG_5424.jpg

Aug 23 11 06:17 am Link

Photographer

Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13564

Washington, Utah, US

I think it's sad we've reached a point where people consider legitimate touch to adjust something to be sexual harassment.

Aug 23 11 06:46 am Link

Photographer

Jhono Bashian

Posts: 2464

Cleveland, Ohio, US

DanK Photography wrote:

Why? Is there a photographer disease going around? Sometimes it is just easier for the photographer to move your hand to the correct spot or move some hair you can't see out of your face.

exactly!

Aug 23 11 06:48 am Link

Photographer

Vendito

Posts: 149

San Diego, California, US

hartcons wrote:
the wife and i shoot together and models don't seem to mind if she touches them. if i need to touch (like to brush hair away after they're settled into a pose) i ask permission first.

+1 though with the caveat that it would depend on where the hair is. If it's on a sensitive spot, not gonna even go near that. Better to have the model move it even if it changes the pose a little.

Aug 23 11 11:49 am Link

Model

Victoria MHP

Posts: 886

Houston, Texas, US

K E S L E R wrote:
lol @ these threads, another reason to work with professional models and not hobbyist.

You let mua/ stylist touch but the person who is ultimately responsible for carrying out a vision is not allowed to interact?  The irony.  Maybe you should let the MUA/ Stylist bring their camera too.

I'm for sure not a professional model...but I can't help but to agree with this!

Aug 23 11 12:34 pm Link

Photographer

William Beem

Posts: 2158

Sanford, Florida, US

InnaDaVida wrote:
I will let a MUA, stylist, wardrobe designer touch me during a shoot but never the photographer.

What is your policy on touching?

I don't touch the models.  It's their space and I have a simple policy for a photoshoot - never do anything that makes you uncomfortable. 

The model is just like a co-worker in the office.  Same for the MUA.

Aug 23 11 01:12 pm Link

Photographer

TouchofEleganceStudios

Posts: 5480

Vallejo, California, US

As a photographer I am more concerned about models touching me

Models work with lots of other photographers.

They even do shoots with other models.

You can find them in a bathtub that other models have been in.

They wade into dirty water for that shot.

Models get body paint all over them.

They even wear clothing that other models have worn.


I don't know where they ( models) have been. What they have touched.

I have seen models naked but I have never seen a model wash her hands.



Models might have cooties or germs    or       or      or      oh my goodness
I am so afraid to be touched by models


Next time I do a shoot with a model I am going to wear one of those paper suits, paper booties, gloves and a mask         oh my     oh my       
I am so afraid   

Maybe I should start using my wireless remote to trigger my camera from another building, maybe another state



borat

Aug 23 11 05:41 pm Link

Photographer

GNapp Studios

Posts: 6223

Somerville, New Jersey, US

Mr. Whipple says:  "Please don't squeeze the Charmin."

Aug 23 11 05:45 pm Link

Photographer

Paindancer Productions

Posts: 1587

Long Beach, California, US

All  photography sessions must be done by webcam. 

Thats my new rule.

The OP has shown me the light.  I wont even consider being in the same state as a model I might shoot now.

Thank GOD she posted this.  smile

Aug 23 11 05:50 pm Link

Photographer

Spider_Photos

Posts: 61

Oakland, California, US

liindsay ann wrote:
Doesn't matter, as long as it's professional and necessary..

Yep!!!!!!!!!!! Communication & comfort go a long way!! (If the model is so timid that your going to touch her then your shoot is doomed already). If the Model thinks your a perv then she should leave because the shoot is already doomed lol

Aug 23 11 05:51 pm Link

Photographer

Christopher Carter

Posts: 7777

Indianapolis, Indiana, US

https://mnemosyne.smugmug.com/photos/i-LB25fch/1/XL/i-LB25fch-XL.gif

Aug 23 11 05:54 pm Link

Photographer

Kenneth Mitchell

Posts: 211

Edina, Missouri, US

I have a strict no-touch policy. The closest I have ever come is straitening out a dress train on the floor, and I asked the model if it was OK if I did that.

I personally don't like to be touched by people I am not related to, and I am just not into touching others.

Call it a quirk.

Aug 23 11 05:58 pm Link

Photographer

Bill Mason Photography

Posts: 1856

Morristown, Vermont, US

William Beem wrote:

I don't touch the models.  It's their space and I have a simple policy for a photoshoot - never do anything that makes you uncomfortable. 

The model is just like a co-worker in the office.  Same for the MUA.

You can't compare fashion or art photography to an office job. Totally different animal. It's your duty as a photographer to make the model, wardrobe, etc. look its best. And often that requires the photographer make the adjustments. If a model is uncomfortable with that, then they are in the wrong business. If you feel it's inappropriate, then you're in the wrong business.

Aug 23 11 05:59 pm Link

Photographer

Troy Tribble Photo

Posts: 260

Clemson, South Carolina, US

Mnemosyne Photography wrote:
https://mnemosyne.smugmug.com/photos/i-LB25fch/1/XL/i-LB25fch-XL.gif

lol

Aug 23 11 06:01 pm Link

Photographer

Christopher Carter

Posts: 7777

Indianapolis, Indiana, US

Troy Tribble wrote:

lol

I have plenty more. Here is another fave.

https://mnemosyne.smugmug.com/photos/i-NB4HcvF/1/XL/i-NB4HcvF-XL.gif

Aug 23 11 06:07 pm Link

Photographer

FashionPhotographer

Posts: 2521

New York, New York, US

Victoria Herrera wrote:

I'm for sure not a professional model...but I can't help but to agree with this!

As a professional photographer, I actually disagree with this. There is nothing in a photographers job description that requires them to touch a model. For a hair artist, make up artist, wardrobe stylist, it is part of the job. This is not the case with a photographer.

- Phen

Aug 23 11 06:07 pm Link

Photographer

Eric Jackson

Posts: 1290

Dayton, Ohio, US

No way, unless if it's a good friend.

Aug 23 11 06:09 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45206

San Juan Bautista, California, US

InnaDaVida wrote:
I will let a MUA, stylist, wardrobe designer touch me during a shoot but never the photographer.

What is your policy on touching?

My "policy?"  I don't have a "policy" regarding touching because I don't believe it necessary to have a "policy" regarding touching.   I do not touch people I am working with unnecessarily.  There are times when I may touch a model, when it might be warranted.  If a model communicated to me that she or he absolutely must not be touched, I respect that and do not touch!   Howie Mandel of America's Got Talent has a germ phobia and he absolutely will avoid shaking hands and dislikes being touched.  I would not extend my hand or touch someone like that!  But why a "policy" about it?

Aug 23 11 06:20 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45206

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Spider_Photos wrote:
Yep!!!!!!!!!!! Communication & comfort go a long way!! (If the model is so timid that your going to touch her then your shoot is doomed already). If the Model thinks your a perv then she should leave because the shoot is already doomed lol

This!  Unless I am hired to photograph well know germ phobic Howie Mandel for a shoot.  Heck!  If I am getting paid, I wont touch, and Howie can touch me if he wants for all I care!  I'm getting paid! / An aside; Going to watch AGT tonight!  tongue

But it's all about communication!  Communicate with your client, MUA, model, photographer, or what have you.  This does not mean that "inappropriate touching" is acceptable.  Communicate and don't allow for anything you feel is inappropriate or that makes you uncomfortable.  Talk with each other.

Aug 23 11 06:25 pm Link

Model

Nadeshiko Yamato

Posts: 1324

Portland, Oregon, US

Mnemosyne Photography wrote:
https://mnemosyne.smugmug.com/photos/i-LB25fch/1/XL/i-LB25fch-XL.gif

I'm offended....that it took eight pages to get that gif to pop up here! lol

Aug 23 11 08:20 pm Link

Model

Nadeshiko Yamato

Posts: 1324

Portland, Oregon, US

Gabrielle Heather wrote:

me includedhttps://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/gabriellea/_MG_5424.jpg

....Do you have the words hello kitty (or i think your tattoo says kitti) on your hands? That is awesome and I love you.

Aug 23 11 08:21 pm Link

Model

Victoria MHP

Posts: 886

Houston, Texas, US

FashionPhotographer wrote:

As a professional photographer, I actually disagree with this. There is nothing in a photographers job description that requires them to touch a model. For a hair artist, make up artist, wardrobe stylist, it is part of the job. This is not the case with a photographer.

- Phen

Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about caressing me or something. I mean I don't mind if a photographer asked to move a hair, finger, even ask to poke my arm a different way (not that that's happened). The way the OP just came off in her post, I just have to agree with the person I quoted.

BTW I love your name! (sorry back to subject)

Aug 23 11 08:57 pm Link

Photographer

Glenn Hall

Posts: 149

Townsville, Queensland, Australia

Dear me...

Aug 24 11 03:04 am Link

Photographer

Glenn Hall

Posts: 149

Townsville, Queensland, Australia

my two cents...I ask before I touch and explain why before I do.
If your hair or piece of clothing needs adjustment, I will be buggered if I am going to ask the model to move the collar one inch to her left or move that strand of hair 2 inches right.
I will move arms and legs and feet too...but will ask before I do.
If I worked with a model who refused to be touched for the reasons outlined...I can assure you, there will be no second shoot.
...and I do get the occasional model who moves their right arm instead of their left hmm

Aug 24 11 03:04 am Link

Photographer

Herman Surkis

Posts: 10856

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

A photographer should never, ever touch a model. With or without permission.
Even if her hair or clothing catch on fire. Just point it out to her and send her to the shower, or carefully hand her some water. Please make sure the fire does not spread to the set.

(is a sarcasm warning necessary?)

Aug 24 11 10:58 am Link

Photographer

Glenn Hall

Posts: 149

Townsville, Queensland, Australia

lol...yeah...politically correct method for assisting a model with hair on fire...assist but do not touch tongue

...if I followed the advice of NOT touching the model suggested here (excluding the fire-in-the-hair-scenario [my duty of care to assist and touch on this point...or is it?]) by some, my next assignment will be an easy one...I will be the paid for photographer, but I will give the camera to the MUA and hairstylist as I am not responsible for the finished masterpiece.
BTW, I am not the only with this opinion...

K E S L E R wrote:
lol @ these threads, another reason to work with professional models and not hobbyist.

You let mua/ stylist touch but the person who is ultimately responsible for carrying out a vision is not allowed to interact?  The irony.  Maybe you should let the MUA/ Stylist bring their camera too.

Aug 24 11 03:23 pm Link

Photographer

Joel England Photo

Posts: 599

Los Angeles, California, US

pamela mars wrote:
on professional sets, the crew is not allowed to touch the model/actor. mua or stylist only.
there are events where the photographer does come into contact with the talent, but it's usually by consent.

That's all well and good, when you have an MUA, stylist, and so forth. Many of us don't. When the girl brings a friend, I put the friend to work ("put a clothespin here ... brush her hair there ... put her hair back ... straighten the scrunchie") I also have the friend watching for stuff I miss, like stray hairs and wrinkled clothing.

BTW, I have basic supplies around, including cheap disposable hair brushes and some basic makeup.

I avoid touching the model, but tell her if I need to. I've never had a complaint; most models can easily tell the difference between necessary touching and uh...recreational touching.

It's more convenient to have someone else there to do the touching/adjusting. Who wants to have to be going back and forth from camera position to model?

I also agree with some of the other people who really want to get things right when they shoot, and not have to spend endless time in Photoshop later!

Aug 24 11 03:35 pm Link

Photographer

Joel England Photo

Posts: 599

Los Angeles, California, US

I'd be interested in hearing comments from people in different cultures. I know in my own travels its striking how different attitudes toward "touching" are in different places. Italy and much of southern Europe: very casual. England, much less so. So I'm curious about how models and photographers from different places in particular differ on their attitudes from the typical (if there are any!) attitudes here in the USA.

Aug 24 11 03:40 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45206

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Joel England Photo wrote:
That's all well and good, when you have an MUA, stylist, and so forth. Many of us don't. When the girl brings a friend, I put the friend to work ("put a clothespin here ... brush her hair there ... put her hair back ... straighten the scrunchie") I also have the friend watching for stuff I miss, like stray hairs and wrinkled clothing.

BTW, I have basic supplies around, including cheap disposable hair brushes and some basic makeup.

I avoid touching the model, but tell her if I need to. I've never had a complaint; most models can easily tell the difference between necessary touching and uh...recreational touching.

It's more convenient to have someone else there to do the touching/adjusting. Who wants to have to be going back and forth from camera position to model?

I also agree with some of the other people who really want to get things right when they shoot, and not have to spend endless time in Photoshop later!

Thank you for posting.  You reminded me of the fact that there are times when it's just me and the model "one on one" shooting.  That will be different from those times when we have one or more people to assist us.  That is why I made the statement that I "do not have a policy regarding touching!"   I don't even think about it!  Some people just micro-manage their shoots too much.

Aug 24 11 03:46 pm Link

Photographer

Swank Photography

Posts: 19020

Key West, Florida, US

veypurr wrote:
I am a designer so sometimes I have to touch the the model to make sure the fit is right. Otherwise I try to touch the model as little as possible.


A photog touching a model....why would they?

Uh...how about if it is only the photorapher and the model shooting????

As long as the photographer doesn't get grab happy I don't see what the issue is here to be honest with you.

Aug 24 11 03:47 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45206

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Swank Photography wrote:
Uh...how about if it is only the photorapher and the model shooting????

As long as the photographer doesn't get grab happy I don't see what the issue is here to be honest with you.

Must be a case of the OP over thinking, and micro managing her shoots to be so concerned about touching to even consider that photographers should have a "policy" regarding it!  Like I said before, if someone like Howie Mandel is being photographed by me, I will NOT touch him!  Some people don't want to be touched.  If so, they should let those who work with them know this in advance.  Otherwise, it is over thinking and paranoid.  Doesn't matter if it's whom it is shooting.  Communication works wonders!

I am not advocating inappropriate, needless, or excessive touching of anyone!

Aug 24 11 03:55 pm Link

Photographer

Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13564

Washington, Utah, US

Paindancer Productions wrote:
All  photography sessions must be done by webcam. 

Thats my new rule.

The OP has shown me the light.  I wont even consider being in the same state as a model I might shoot now.

Thank GOD she posted this.  smile

I was thinking maybe those booths that have the plexiglass to separate people and you have to feed the machine money to keep the curtain open.   Solves, the touch issue, need for escorts and payment all at the same time.

Aug 24 11 03:57 pm Link

Model

Deadlynightshade

Posts: 4774

Los Angeles, California, US

DanK Photography wrote:

Why? Is there a photographer disease going around? Sometimes it is just easier for the photographer to move your hand to the correct spot or move some hair you can't see out of your face.

That's the hair or MUAs job to move the hair.

Aug 24 11 04:00 pm Link

Photographer

Blue Mini Photography

Posts: 1703

Tempe, Arizona, US

If I didn't touch the models, how would I keep them off me.   You all know how models are, always groping this, squeezing that.  They can't keep their hands to themselves.  I need to touch to push them away.

Really, is this an issue for professionals.  Respect people.

Aug 24 11 04:08 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45206

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Deadlynightshade wrote:
That's the hair or MUAs job to move the hair.

I've been a photographer of people for over 30 years now.  I have been trained by institutional photo studios like Olan Mills and also shot so many thousands of sessions that I don't have a clue as to exactly how many people I've photographed over the decades.  I say that "Photographers should not touch inappropriately, needlessly, or excessively!"

That said, I have not given "touching" much concern.  Most of the time, it is not necessary to touch another person while photographing them, however there are times when it is needed.  It's an unconscious thing with me, but I've been known to physically adjust people.  I've shown new moms or dads how to hold their baby so as for me to get a better image of them with their child.  And of course there are times when it's easier for me to just go in and pick lint off their shoulder, brush hair back, etc ...  and there are times when I have had an excellent assistant who will do these things for me, but not always. 

There is no need for a policy!  I keep hammering on how important communication is!  I must be doing something right!  I've never been accused of anything inappropriate, although I had a model do a very inappropriate thing in that she and her assistant kidnapped me, but that's before digital and it's another story!  People have been giving me positive feedback for the most part on their pictures, and treatment by me.  I must get my intuition of people from my grandfather who was a photographer of American Indians.  He did not have a policy, he just listened to his subjects.

Aug 24 11 04:16 pm Link

Photographer

Swank Photography

Posts: 19020

Key West, Florida, US

Patrick Walberg wrote:
I am not advocating inappropriate, needless, or excessive touching of anyone!

tongue lol Boy stop lying you little freak you lol tongue

Aug 24 11 04:20 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45206

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Orcatek Photography wrote:
If I didn't touch the models, how would I keep them off me.   You all know how models are, always groping this, squeezing that.  They can't keep their hands to themselves.  I need to touch to push them away.

Really, is this an issue for professionals.  Respect people.

Wait until you get kidnapped by one!  She forced me to process the film and give her the proofs and negatives before she'd let me go!

Aug 24 11 04:21 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 45206

San Juan Bautista, California, US

Swank Photography wrote:
tongue lol Boy stop lying you little freak you lol tongue

lol  Yea, I'm trying to give the models an idea " ... yea do ya wanna touch me there!"  Just tye me up and whip me!"  I'd like to have that gorgeous German model who kidnapped me do it again!  It was exciting!  I just don't know if my lil ole heart can take that kinda excitment anymore. 

Bring on Joan Jett!  I'd let her touch me anytime!  tongue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DRCjQNFyQw

Aug 24 11 04:26 pm Link