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Model
YenB
Posts: 37
New York, New York, US
I did my first "implied" nudity shoot the other day, and it has opened up Pandora's Box! I quote "implied" because when I got the negatives, I realized that the camera was purposefully aimed at my nipples and crotch! So even though those photos were not published, they were still taken for the photographer's collection!
(I'm not calling this ^ photographer fake, I'm complaining that he photographed my nipples and crotch in an implied shoot. I clearly stated that I do not shoot artistic, glamour, or erotic nudes, only implieds).
Worst of all, the faux-photographers who are only looking for nudes visit one another's pages looking for the next victim.
Suddenly I was bombarded with requests for tf nudes at men's houses. The latest trick is to offer the girl homemade clothes as compensation. A $5 t-shirt is not worth my dignity! These are the same pervs who pick up runaways at bus stops promising to make them models! Im unnerved!
Anyone with similar experiences?
Photographer
Farenell Photography
Posts: 18832
Albany, New York, US
I'm sorry to hear you had a less than ideal shoot but please don't lump many of us "legit" photographers who only shoot or prefer to shoot nudes into people you just described.
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udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Plus Model Yendi Barker wrote:
I did my first "implied" nudity shoot the other day, and it has opened up Pandora's Box! I quote "implied" because when I got the negatives, I realized that the camera was purposefully aimed at my nipples and crotch! So even though those photos were not published, they were still taken for the photographer's collection!
Worst of all, Pandora's box was opened. So... is your name Yendi Barker or Pandora??? :confused:
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JOEL McDONALD
Posts: 608
Portland, Oregon, US
Always check for model references on the photogs' profile page.
If no posted model references then ask for them.
If no references provided at all, then move on.
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Bravo Magic Images
Posts: 765
Temple City, California, US
Yeah it happends always make sure if Pandora is gonna show do a 180 from the cameras view and yes GWC do have a collection of models the look out for. Hope your next shoot is worthy of your beauty.
Photographer
Swank Photography
Posts: 19020
Key West, Florida, US
Plus Model Yendi Barker wrote:
I did my first "implied" nudity shoot the other day, and it has opened up Pandora's Box! I quote "implied" because when I got the negatives, I realized that the camera was purposefully aimed at my nipples and crotch! So even though those photos were not published, they were still taken for the photographer's collection!
Worst of all, Pandora's box was opened. Apparently, all the faux-photographers who are only looking for nudes, visit one another's pages looking for the next victim.
Suddenly I was bombarded with requests for tf nudes at men's houses. The latest trick is to offer the girl homemade clothes. These are the same pervs who pick up runaways at bus stops promising to make them models! Im unnerved!
Anyone with similar experiences? Wait...you got negatives from the shoot? HHmm. Wouldnt happen with me thats for sure.
Rant on.
Photographer
John Horwitz
Posts: 2920
Raleigh, North Carolina, US
well, if you got negatives - he was NOT a fake photographer
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 23575
Salem, Oregon, US
if i need to get my motor running i drop by pornhub (and it's the audio that gets me more than the video). i don't go look at my personal collection. are there really that many photographers who do that?
but on an implied shoot the photographer shouldn't be taking those shots unless they were accidents (nipple slips are common).
regarding photographers contacting you, don't feel under any obligation to shoot with them. and if they are getting out of line report them to a moderator.
what does the thing about handmade clothing have to do with safety? my wife makes stuff for models to use on the shoots.
Photographer
name removed3
Posts: 264
Boston, Massachusetts, US
check refs and bring escort
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2687
Apache Junction, Arizona, US
Yes. Charge for nudes period. I charge the same for implied as I do for nudes because of this situation. Unless I have worked with them and they have shown respect.
TF part comes in only after 2 hours have been paid and I like there work and they have something to offer.
You can get a good feel for what there aim is after 2 hours.
It also cuts back on the strange ones that want a free spank bank.
Taking a escort along is also a good Idea. plus check them out.
Photographer
ForeverFotos
Posts: 6662
Indianapolis, Indiana, US
OP, I'm sorry this happened to you. Did you speak with other models who have worked with this photographer before you agreed to the shoot? And what did they say?
Typically, if you CAREFULLY check references, you will not run into problems like this one. Photographers are creatures of habit, just like models. If a photographer is a creep with other models, he will be a creep with you. Likewise if the photographer is totally professional with other models, he will likely be the same with you. Finally, if you get a creepy vibe from a photographer before the shoot, simply don't shoot with him, period!
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 2687
Apache Junction, Arizona, US
udor wrote:
So... is your name Yendi Barker or Pandora??? :confused: Oh there you are. I thought maybe you were abducted by aliens or something.
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25319
Bath, England, United Kingdom
Caitin wrote:
Charge for nudes period. A great way to end up working only with GWCs who will pay to see you naked but have no interest in the images.
Just my $0.02
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Northern Lights Images wrote:
check refs and bring escort ... and the escort should be armed... heavily... not just pepper spray, but also a gun and a spare magazine for easy reloading.
Hope that the escort is also reacting quickly, as soon as he/she hears the word "Okay... I am going to shoot you know!" to fast draw the gun and unload on the evil photographer...
Model
Kozmina
Posts: 6536
Bakersfield, California, US
-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
A great way to end up working only with GWCs who will pay to see you naked but have no interest in the images.
As for the rest of the post, the usual crock 
Just my $0.02
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com +1
Photographer
Kezins Photography
Posts: 1389
Beckley, West Virginia, US
Plus Model Yendi Barker wrote:
I did my first "implied" nudity shoot the other day, and it has opened up Pandora's Box! I quote "implied" because when I got the negatives, I realized that the camera was purposefully aimed at my nipples and crotch! So even though those photos were not published, they were still taken for the photographer's collection!
Worst of all, Pandora's box was opened. Apparently, all the faux-photographers who are only looking for nudes, visit one another's pages looking for the next victim.
Suddenly I was bombarded with requests for tf nudes at men's houses. The latest trick is to offer the girl homemade clothes. These are the same pervs who pick up runaways at bus stops promising to make them models! Im unnerved!
Anyone with similar experiences? I'm sorry to hear you had to deal with the pervy end of photography. Hope you don't judge all people with cameras for it though. There's a bad side to every art medium and it makes everyone else look like crap. I genuinely hope you find real photographers and people interested in creating art for creative purposes. There are plenty of good ones out there!
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
udor wrote:
So... is your name Yendi Barker or Pandora??? :confused: Caitin wrote:
Oh there you are. I thought maybe you were abducted by aliens or something. Nope... LOL... just super busy during the week...
Caitin wrote:
Yes. Charge for nudes on period. Why does a model on her period costs more than a model not on her period??? 
Photographer
Kezins Photography
Posts: 1389
Beckley, West Virginia, US
I'd also add my advice of never doing nude work on a TF basis but you probably know that now. nude art sells and there are legit people out there who pay art models for that purpose.
Photographer
Cherrystone
Posts: 37171
Columbus, Ohio, US
udor wrote:
Why does a model on her period costs more than a model not on her period??? 
Love it
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Caitin wrote:
Yes. Charge for nudes period. I charge the same for implied as I do for nudes because of this situation. Unless I have worked with them and they have shown respect.
TF part comes in only after 2 hours have been paid and I like there work and they have something to offer.
You can get a good feel for what there aim is after 2 hours.
It also cuts back on the strange ones that want a free spank bank.
Taking a escort along is also a good Idea. plus check them out. I just told her to tuck in the string.
Model
Kozmina
Posts: 6536
Bakersfield, California, US
Will Snizek wrote:
I'd also add my advice of never doing nude work on a TF basis but you probably know that now. nude art sells and there are legit people out there who pay art llamas for that purpose. But if you want to build a great art nude port,so you can get those paying gigs,your BEST OPTION is to TF with experienced people.
Photographer
eybdoog
Posts: 2647
New York, New York, US
to the OP: I think you are making a lot of assumptions there. The fact that you did an implied nudity session and are associating photographers that may want to photograph you nude from it as people that pick up runaways at bus stops is off mark. There are a lot of legit photographers that photograph nudes that are in fine art galleries and such. However, there are a lot of GWC's too that have other intentions. It sounds like your shoot was the later in which the photographer may have had other intentions other than just shooting. In this instance, it is best to open up the lines of communication prior to shooting with whatever photographer that you work with to clarify exactly what they will be shooting. Interpretations of implied nudity can range greatly from person to person, and their ideals vs. yours seem to have differed there.
Second, the fact that people contact you again does not instantly make them people that will pick up runaways from bus stops. You might want to review each request on a case by case basis, do your homework and check references, and if you find that others have had great results with certain photographers (and you are interested in shooting implied with them), then go for it.
but remember also that you are on MM which is full of people who will present various crazy offers from all walks of life. It is best to check references and communicate openly with anyone photographer or otherwise before working with them. Most newer models are shell shocked when they get these offers because they have never heard of such a thing before. A simple no does the trick, and if they harass you, you can always CAM them and contact a MM mod. good luck
Model
Evie Wolfe
Posts: 1201
Nottingham, England, United Kingdom
I'm sorry you had this experience  Since i don't know the ins and outs of your situation, i won't make judgements here, but i will say that the important thing now is to make sure that it doesn't happen again, and more importantly, that it doesn't put you off modelling! Good nude models are hard enough to come by without them being put off by situations like the one you described. If I were you, I would politely refuse the offers you have received that you don't want to participate in (it may be tempting to be rude, but remember that any one of those photographers could be a really nice, genuine person with no ulterior motive that just messaged you at the wrong time -give them the benefit of the doubt) and make friends with some of the established working models in your area. That way you will have a network of people to contact when checking references. It isn't a foolproof system, but it has helped me many times. I hope you feel better soon xx
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DELETED-ACCOUNT_
Posts: 10303
Los Angeles, California, US
-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
A great way to end up working only with GWCs who will pay to see you naked but have no interest in the images.
Just my $0.02
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com +1
If models don't want to worry about crappy images, or weirdos, or people shooting for "the bank" then they should only shoot nudes with photographers whose work they like and would consider using, not just thinking in terms of "Oh, well I can make some quick $$$ so why not?" It's the internet...that shit's forever lol. General rule of thumb I also tell anyone who is considering shooting more racy stuff: Don't half-ass it. If you're only comfortable shooting implieds, then don't bother. Your nips and crotch will be visible at some point. In the rare situation when I specifically need an implied shot, I will only work with models comfortable with nudity...less hassle, and no worrying about if your naughty-bits are going to be showing or any regrets later on. Short story: Don't shoot implieds if you're not comfortable with nudes. Makes life easier for all in the long run and will help you to avoid these problems.
Also, lets not forget the OP has some sort of responsibility here and needs to be a little more cognizant of what's going on around her. Aiming a camera at someones crotch is probably hard to miss. Noticing that every time you change positions and you hear a shutter click or see a flash go off might be another hint you need to remind the photographer of your limits. Basically I find it hard to believe that you weren't at least somewhat aware that something fishy was going on.
And finally, what's wrong with TF nude shoots at my place? Or any other photographers? A $5 tshirt isn't worth your dignity, but (ex.) $100/hr with a shitty photographer is? I don't get the logic. If it's all about "My dignity this, my dignity that, shitty photographers are asking me to shoot" then be more selective and just say "Not interested" to those you don't like. It's really that simple. People who aren't on your level are going to ask you to do things for what you believe is less than your worth...that's a fact of MM. There's no need to rant and complain about it.
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 45198
San Juan Bautista, California, US
There is some confusion of terms here. You were to shoot "implied" and found that the photographer focused on areas you did not expect him to and were not comfortable with? The photographer gave you the "negatives?" I think it's a communication problem here. I don't know what happened, but obviously there has been a misunderstanding of sorts! I'm sorry that the session did not turn out the way you expected. Each and every one of us is different, so please don't consider this incident of miscommunication to reflect on all photographers who shoot nudes.
Photographer
DOUGLASFOTOS
Posts: 10604
Los Angeles, California, US
Round up the Usual Suspects
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 45198
San Juan Bautista, California, US
Evie_Wolfe wrote:
I'm sorry you had this experience
Since i don't know the ins and outs of your situation, i won't make judgements here, but i will say that the important thing now is to make sure that it doesn't happen again, and more importantly, that it doesn't put you off modelling! Good nude models are hard enough to come by without them being put off by situations like the one you described.
If I were you, I would politely refuse the offers you have received that you don't want to participate in (it may be tempting to be rude, but remember that any one of those photographers could be a really nice, genuine person with no ulterior motive that just messaged you at the wrong time -give them the benefit of the doubt) and make friends with some of the established working models in your area. That way you will have a network of people to contact when checking references. It isn't a foolproof system, but it has helped me many times.
I hope you feel better soon xx Yes, it seems like when photographers get the idea that a new models might be open to more than implied, as in starting to do nudes, then the model gets bombarded by requests! I hear about that all the time from new models on here! It's just a part of this website that you all have to deal with or not be here. Best to politely decline ... and eventually the requests will slow down and stop ... perhaps!
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J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 12221
Los Angeles, California, US
Caitin wrote:
Yes. Charge for nudes period. I charge the same for implied as I do for nudes because of this situation. Unless I have worked with them and they have shown respect.
TF part comes in only after 2 hours have been paid and I like there work and they have something to offer.
You can get a good feel for what there aim is after 2 hours.
It also cuts back on the strange ones that want a free spank bank.
Taking a escort along is also a good Idea. plus check them out. Stop Trolling.
Photographer
Garry k
Posts: 30129
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
T-D-L wrote:
+1
If models don't want to worry about crappy images, or weirdos, or people shooting for "the bank" then they should only shoot nudes with photographers whose work they like and would consider using, not just thinking in terms of "Oh, well I can make some quick $$$ so why not?" It's the internet...that shit's forever lol. General rule of thumb I also tell anyone who is considering shooting more racy stuff: Don't half-ass it. If you're only comfortable shooting implieds, then don't bother. Your nips and crotch will be visible at some point. In the rare situation when I specifically need an implied shot, I will only work with models comfortable with nudity...less hassle, and no worrying about if your naughty-bits are going to be showing or any regrets later on. Short story: Don't shoot implieds if you're not comfortable with nudes. Makes life easier for all in the long run and will help you to avoid these problems.
Also, lets not forget the OP has some sort of responsibility here and needs to be a little more cognizant of what's going on around her. Aiming a camera at someones crotch is probably hard to miss. Noticing that every time you change positions and you hear a shutter click or see a flash go off might be another hint you need to remind the photographer of your limits. Basically I find it hard to believe that you weren't at least somewhat aware that something fishy was going on.
And finally, what's wrong with TF nude shoots at my place? Or any other photographers? A $5 tshirt isn't worth your dignity, but (ex.) $100/hr with a shitty photographer is? I don't get the logic. If it's all about "My dignity this, my dignity that, shitty photographers are asking me to shoot" then be more selective and just say "Not interested" to those you don't like. It's really that simple. People who aren't on your level are going to ask you to do things for what you believe is less than your worth...that's a fact of MM. There's no need to rant and complain about it. this
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10747
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:
Round up the Usual Suspects I'm second alternate on the usual suspect list. its a weekend. you deal with me
but I really wanna know about the negatives?
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Know Idea
Posts: 3000
Los Angeles, California, US
-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
A great way to end up working only with GWCs who will pay to see you naked but have no interest in the images.
Just my $0.02
Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com T-D-L wrote:
+1
If models don't want to worry about crappy images, or weirdos, or people shooting for "the bank" then they should only shoot nudes with photographers whose work they like and would consider using, not just thinking in terms of "Oh, well I can make some quick $$$ so why not?" It's the internet...that shit's forever lol. General rule of thumb I also tell anyone who is considering shooting more racy stuff: Don't half-ass it. If you're only comfortable shooting implieds, then don't bother. Your nips and crotch will be visible at some point. In the rare situation when I specifically need an implied shot, I will only work with models comfortable with nudity...less hassle, and no worrying about if your naughty-bits are going to be showing or any regrets later on. Short story: Don't shoot implieds if you're not comfortable with nudes. Makes life easier for all in the long run and will help you to avoid these problems.
Also, lets not forget the OP has some sort of responsibility here and needs to be a little more cognizant of what's going on around her. Aiming a camera at someones crotch is probably hard to miss. Noticing that every time you change positions and you hear a shutter click or see a flash go off might be another hint you need to remind the photographer of your limits. Basically I find it hard to believe that you weren't at least somewhat aware that something fishy was going on.
And finally, what's wrong with TF nude shoots at my place? Or any other photographers? A $5 tshirt isn't worth your dignity, but (ex.) $100/hr with a shitty photographer is? I don't get the logic. If it's all about "My dignity this, my dignity that, shitty photographers are asking me to shoot" then be more selective and just say "Not interested" to those you don't like. It's really that simple. People who aren't on your level are going to ask you to do things for what you believe is less than your worth...that's a fact of MM. There's no need to rant and complain about it. Truth.
Photographer
Cherrystone
Posts: 37171
Columbus, Ohio, US
Caitin wrote:
You can get a good feel for what there aim is after 2 hours. Wait....I missed this. 2 hours to figure out their "aim"?
Most savvy folks are gonna figure that out in about 5 minutes flat, if that.
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Cherrystone wrote:
Wait....I missed this. 2 hours to figure out their "aim"?
Most savvy folks are gonna figure that out in about 5 minutes flat, if that. +100
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Charger Photography
Posts: 1731
San Antonio, Texas, US
If he gave you the negatives... he can't do prints... unless you give them back 
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12117
Tampa, Florida, US
What exactly is a fake photographer? He took photos of you with a Williams Sonoma Toaster?
All that's required to call yourself a photographer, is a camera. Just like all it requires to call yourself a model, is posing for a few photos.
Photographer
BODYSHOP FEETURES
Posts: 654
Clearwater, Florida, US
There is always going to be the occasional nip slip or the dress the rides up while the shutter is triggered.
There is a simple fix to this. I always have a detailed discussion with the model as to what to expect. I shoot fast and I shoot a lot of images I bring my ideas to the shoot and hope the model responds to them.
Before we get started shooting I make sure I know what the model is comfortable with. I have done many implied shoots where we (the model and I) qualify the model release to include "exclusions".......ie: "the photographer may not publish to any kind of media or images that displays my, nipples, aureola, and any part of my vagina, without models express written permission.".............That being said, we put it in writing we proceed with the shoot.
So now we have more than an understanding.......we have a contract and the model can relax knowing that if an image happens to include any of the excluded parts, it will not be used either in print or on the net.
Everyone is happy and the shoot proceeds without any drama.
Ciao,
Mark
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BTHPhoto
Posts: 6985
Fairbanks, Alaska, US
Post hidden on Mar 24, 2013 09:08 pm Reason: violates rules Comments: Don't change people's quotes!
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10747
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
BTHPhoto wrote:
I'm beside myself.
oh...great...now I have an assistant
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Rich Davis
Posts: 3136
Gulf Breeze, Florida, US
udor wrote:
... and the escort should be armed... heavily... not just pepper spray, but also a gun and a spare magazine for easy reloading.
Hope that the escort is also reacting quickly, as soon as he/she hears the word "Okay... I am going to shoot you know!" to fast draw the gun and unload on the evil photographer... The self respecting escort would only do this if he wants the negatives.
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