AgathaDelicious wrote:

Yes And that makes you a professional.

I am speaking of people who will text a model hours and hours into the night after a shoot telling them 'we had a connection', and then, when they do not get the response that they want, they will insult the model personally.

Again, a rare case but it happens.

+1

Revenge Photography wrote:

Let me spell it out

You pushed your opinion where it was specifically requested you not do so.
(So it appears you don't respect boundaries.)

You state that the models will not give an honest reply and won't show up at shoots.
(That part is why I called your post a troll)

When called out on it rather than bow out or stay on topic you chose to argue and further disrupt the thread.

When I refused to be drawn and ignored your off topic posts, you decided the best course of action was to spit the dummy and disable your account.

Then after a few days you come back with the announcement what you turned to alcohol to deal with your hurt feelings.

I ask you what single part of your behavior will lead models to trust you will respect their boundaries at a shoot or them for that matter?  What single action on your part in a public forum will inspire a model to trust you and want to work with you?

Models will be left to guess at how you conduct yourself away fropm the public spotlight.

Do you still wonder why models are not tripping over each other to shoot with you?

Stick to the thread. You accused me of threadjacking, arguing, etc... stick to the fucking thread.

DON'T lecture me on the way I live my life. You have ZERO right. I consider it a personal attack.

Repeat, DON'T tell me how to live my life. Wanna comment on my replies in the thread? Go ahead, but DON'T tell me how to live. Ever.

Koryn wrote:
If I was on my computer, rather than my phone, I'd post the forum guide llama to get your attention. Unfortunately, I'm on my phone and can't bust out a good ol' c&p

But, kids, can we please not turn this into a photographer shouting match, k?

That's one of the things that tends to alienate models and other, and deter a more diverse array of voices from posting here.

Please. Thanks.

Here you go

Alabaster Crowley wrote:
I've gotten a weird offer, borderline creepy, but not really any others. Am I doing something wrong?

I have "Caution" tape.

BlueMoonPics wrote:

I have "Caution" tape.

Huh?

CHAD ALAN wrote:
Here you go

Thanks, Chad!

I really needed the llama, but wasn't home and can't use it from the phone!

AgathaDelicious wrote:
Yes And that makes you a professional.

I am speaking of people who will text a model hours and hours into the night after a shoot telling them 'we had a connection', and then, when they do not get the response that they want, they will insult the model personally.

Again, a rare case but it happens.

Eliza C  new portfolio wrote:
+1

K I C K H A M wrote:
I've been here a long time and gotten a lot of weird offers.

Some start off normal:
"Would you be willing to do a nude/ fetish shoot?"

"Sorry, I don't shoot that."

"Please. You have a price. What if I offered you $3,000. No one will know it's you..."

Some start off creepy:
"I want you to do a foot fetish session with me. But there won't be any photos taken. I will just touch and tickle your feet for 45 minutes."

Quite a few porn offers and getting asked out.

Overall, this is a VERY small percentage of the messages I get, but they definitely exist.

A response from a creeper, (same one mentioned before...who was not creepy at first but turned creepy fast), who refused to credit me as Agatha Delicious in his work because I 'insulted' by telling him he needed to get help when he kept texting me while drunk at inappropriate times:

"Ok...typical woman , you don't address any of the original issues.  As long as you get your way"
(I had asked him very nicely to please credit my stage name and did not bring up the weird things he did. There were no 'original issues', other than I had told him to get help because I am not a therapist)

This creep's b.s. and all the stress and harassment he inflicted was NOT worth what he paid to shoot with him.

How silly of me to think someone like that could put personal issues, that he created in his own head, aside and be a professional.

Creepers are out there, kids! Watch out and try and catch it early! Wish I had in that case lol.

P.S: That was the only time I ever met a person from MM as insane as that. Most experiences have been great! Most photogs here are wonderful. It is good to be very careful though because you never know if you are going to come across a looney tune model or photographer.

Alabaster Crowley wrote:
I've gotten a weird offer, borderline creepy, but not really any others. Am I doing something wrong?

I think they are scared of the alt image. One guy who was borderline creepy with me just in messaging, said when I did some work for an alt designer:

"I don't love you anymore....you used to be so soft and feminine....now  you've gone like a  witch"

That was on Flickr though not MM.

K I C K H A M wrote:
I've been here a long time and gotten a lot of weird offers.

Some start off normal:
"Would you be willing to do a nude/ fetish shoot?"

"Sorry, I don't shoot that."

"Please. You have a price. What if I offered you $3,000. No one will know it's you..."

Some start off creepy:
"I want you to do a foot fetish session with me. But there won't be any photos taken. I will just touch and tickle your feet for 45 minutes."

Quite a few porn offers and getting asked out.

Overall, this is a VERY small percentage of the messages I get, but they definitely exist.

And either the foot guys are very common or maybe the same ones are doing it to lots of models. That foot one is sooooooo familiar. UK guy?

I wouldn't be able to stand it. I nearly killed my boyfriend once when he was tickling my feet it's like torture.

It's rare on MM though far more common on UK sites and starting to be a problem on FB.

BlueMoonPics wrote:
I have "Caution" tape.

Alabaster Crowley wrote:
Huh?

I'm trying to make a creepy offer.
I suck at it.

Eliza C  new portfolio wrote:
I think they are scared of the alt image. One guy who was borderline creepy with me just in messaging, said when I did some work for an alt designer:

"I don't love you anymore....you used to be so soft and feminine....now  you've gone like a  witch"

That was on Flickr though not MM.

OMG, this is hilarious!!

Revenge Photography wrote:
I agree that what sounds creepy to some may sound perfectly fine to another.

Unfortunately models that leave make their decision on their perception of the offers. So when you bundle 3 or 4 borderline offers with a bunch of other nude offers and maybe one clearly creepy offer, that persons perception is possibly skewed. Particularly if there have been no non nude offers made.

So while 90% of the offers considered in isolation may be fine, I think that perhaps the combination of grouping them and the timing of their arrival paints a completely different picture for many new models.

I don't like your insinuation that all offers for nude photography are  de facto "creepy".

There are a whole bunch of photographers on this site that are top notch who focus on shooting nude glamour or nude art.

I hope models can decide what is legitimate and what is porn offers.
Are you trying to eliminate our ability to shoot nudes?
I am starting to get this vibe from recent threads and I find this disturbing . 

You are jumping to too many conclusions from a very small sample size. Of course you already have your opinion which you hope to get models to corroborate for you.  This is not how social science research should be conducted. You are introducing bias error into your methodology.

I try to stick with models who mark that they shoot nudes.  At least 70% don't shoot nudes and have no intention to even though the mark they shoot nudes. These models waste many photographers time. Also........  There are models, more than a few actually, that state they don't shoot nudes on their profile but in fact do contact me and want to pose nude.

It is very confusing, what is a photographer to do.


So in my mind if a photographer who simply asks a model to pose nude is "creepy", then any model who states they pose nude in their profile but in fact does not is deceitful.

Just a thought

Eliza C  new portfolio wrote:
I think they are scared of the alt image. One guy who was borderline creepy with me just in messaging, said when I did some work for an alt designer:

"I don't love you anymore....you used to be so soft and feminine....now  you've gone like a  witch"

That was on Flickr though not MM.

LOL. It amazed me how sexist some people remain despite the fact that it is 2014. Always amazed me since for me, men and women are people and they are all different, yet sometimes we are expected to act a certain way by certain people since we are female.(I'm sure same goes for males in some cases too)

Had a producer tell me he was shocked that I made my own art and ran my own business because 'women are not normally creative' (his words)...you know the type of person..sad.

Eliza C  new portfolio wrote:

And either the foot guys are very common or maybe the same ones are doing it to lots of models. That foot one is sooooooo familiar. UK guy?

I wouldn't be able to stand it. I nearly killed my boyfriend once when he was tickling my feet it's like torture.

It's rare on MM though far more common on UK sites and starting to be a problem on FB.

I think it was in LA, but I'm often contacted by people visiting from UK for some reason, so definitely possible.

Eliza C  new portfolio wrote:
"I don't love you anymore....you used to be so soft and feminine....now  you've gone like a  witch"

Koryn wrote:

I also wonder what it means to "go like a witch" --is this British English? Or is he just being weird?

AgathaDelicious wrote:
LOL. It amazed me how sexist some people remain despite the fact that it is 2014. Always amazed me since for me, men and women are people and they are all different, yet sometimes we are expected to act a certain way by certain people since we are female.(I'm sure same goes for males in some cases too)

Had a producer tell me he was shocked that I made my own art and ran my own business because 'women are not normally creative' (his words)...you know the type of person..sad.

Eeek, yes, it's horrifying, right? You'd think people in creative fields would be more progressive, but sometimes they really are NOT.

salvatori. wrote:
And I am simply amazed when photographers on this site tell everyone about 'all the models' that share all their personal experiences with them. I consider myself lucky when a model shows up...

salvatori. wrote:
This bullshit of not wanting members to post in certain fora is ridiculous. I mean, if a thread about potential bad behavior by photographers is posted in the MC, and a photographer feels it is ill-suited to rational discussion, are we really just supposed to sit and watch the carnage?

- cake - wrote:
When I first got a MM account about 4 years ago and had no idea what I was doing I did receive a lot of unwanted offers/messages. I can't recall what my profile description was, but I was very inexperienced and assume it was quite vague.

Messages ranged from nudes, to girl-on-girl (implied or not), nothing really explicit from what I recall. None of which I found creepy - however when I declined politely that I wasn't interested I found 8/10 photographers would try to convince we otherwise. This I found uncomfortable because they weren't respecting my boundaries.

"Creepy" messages were the ones that came across as more of a dating inquiry than a shoot. Sometimes photographers would ask me to shoot, and I was reply with interest and inquire if they had a concept or wanted to work out one together. Sometimes they were completely ignore that response and just want to wing the shoot or discuss over coffee/dinner - which was more frustrating than creepy. I've gotten messages that simply say "You're hot/sexy"... Which is pretty creepy considering this is supposed to be a place for professionals. But I've never complained about it - I just don't respond to it.

Now that my profile is more specific and I state what I'm looking for and what I'm not, I get a lot less unwanted messages. Maybe the models getting a lot of creepy messages just aren't being specific in what they're looking for?

8 out of 10 that need to go to "Being a Human 101" - That's alot!

Like you views on having specific yes's and no's in profile.

Jasmine Jordon wrote:
I joined a couple of weeks ago. Since then I've only received 2 messages which I deemed to be scams. However, I have not received any "creep" emails asking for anything.

My profile clearly states I do nudes... Perhaps I should rethink the modeling thing? After all, if I'm not getting these types of messages, what does that say about my sex appeal? Oh my! And I was in the midst of arranging my first full nude shoot! Hmmm...

Too bad we are so far for arranging a shoot...

--Marcio Faustino--

Marciofs wrote:

Too bad we are so far for arranging a shoot...

--Marcio Faustino--

It is a shame! I'd love to shoot with you! Maybe one day our paths will cross!