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Feeling used and humiliated
I think you look amazing and were you not on the other side of the country, I'd shoot with you in a heartbeat. Your port is great. Some people are just terrible people and like to make others feel responsible for their own mistakes. It's on the photographer to select the best of the photos. Anyone, absolutely ANYONE can be caught at a moment that makes them look bad (see any gossip mag for celebrity photos for proof) and a decent photographer just discards those moments. It's sad that this industry attracts the worse in egos. But you don't have to care about them. Move on! Oct 05 14 08:46 am Link KitLizzadro wrote: Don't let his attempt to "blame the model" for his own inadequacies get you down. By doing so, you are empowering him in his dealings with you. You by no means qualify as a "plus sized" model. A lame excuse at best. I'd work with you in a heartbeat, and consider myself fortunate to get the opportunity. Oct 05 14 09:18 am Link One bad experience behind you...you should have come to me instead  Oct 05 14 09:30 am Link Abbitt Photography wrote: Nobody does that. He cocked it up and can't admit it. Some of us are so full of hot air it's a wonder we don't wind up in orbit. Oct 05 14 12:59 pm Link We all deal with people who disappoint us. On both sides of the camera. It goes with the territory. People are.......less than perfect. Deal with it, and get over it. Oct 05 14 02:37 pm Link KitLizzadro wrote: Sorry to hear that, did you say it was a plus size shoot to begin with? Oct 05 14 02:44 pm Link You might have been used but no need on your part to feel humiliated. Do you have any idea how many jerks there are in this world? 10 to the 97th power I think. Oct 05 14 03:48 pm Link Sandra Vixen wrote: You mention "meat" often. Is this what you mean for models? Oct 05 14 03:59 pm Link He's a dipshit Oct 05 14 04:48 pm Link Your plus is my perfect... for painting! Oct 05 14 05:11 pm Link You are a plus size model? I must have missed the definition of plus size in photography class that day. That photographer was nothing short of being rude and a complete JERK! I would not give his comments another thought at all. Come to the San Francisco Bay Area and I would be happy to work with you! Oct 05 14 05:17 pm Link The photographer can only make you feel bad if you let him. It sounds like he purposely setup the shoot just to critique you-a true asshole. Block him permanently, move on, and don't let him win. There will be other photographers who love you just the way you are. Feed your positive soul and create with them. Oct 05 14 05:39 pm Link Koryn wrote: Ms Katie Blair wrote: yes, this, although whoever gets the cash has the cash. Oct 06 14 08:23 am Link We all have an occasional disappointing performance or failure. He should have manned up and owned it. I looked at your portfolio. Since when did womanly perfection become plus size? Now I just need to decide whether I should toss all my (hopefully not crusty) white socks. Oct 06 14 08:44 am Link If anyone should be embarrassed it should be him. To not turn over any decent pictures makes him look bad not you -- he's a jerk. No need to be humiliated. Don't let someone like that hold that kind of power over you. Oct 06 14 09:19 am Link The TF* shooting, regardless if all the parties meant well or not, is kinda a complete crapshoot. Some will pan out, some won't. Use this as a learning experience. Yes, there are going to be some complete douchebags out there. But you'll find there are A LOT of great people. Grow a thick skin (if you haven't already) & reevaluate whether the "why" you're doing whatever you're doing is worth it & then reevaluate whether the "how" you're doing is is either the most effective way or even if it can be done a different way. Oct 06 14 09:26 am Link KitLizzadro wrote: Bizarre. Imagine these statements: Oct 06 14 12:07 pm Link I think that one of the hardest things about attempting to create art is learning how to deal with criticism. Speaking for myself, I know that I have a lot to learn - indeed that's one of the things that makes photography interesting to me, the chance to improve my skills and vision. But I have to admit that a harsh judgement of my work has been known to depress me. You need to be able to separate out constructive criticism and learn from it and ignore destructive criticism or (what seems to be the case here) excuse making. Photography involves at its minimum a photographer and a subject. It may also involve others - MUAs, costume designers, set builders, etc. Sometimes all the people involved in a shoot click and the result is amazing. Sometimes the opposite happens. And there is also more of an element of luck involved than most of us like to admit. At the end of the day, the shoot is over and the results were poor. At this point you can't do anything to improve it, so learn what you can from the experience and move on. Oct 06 14 12:27 pm Link Grady Richardson wrote: +1 Oct 06 14 05:36 pm Link What an ass. Never recommend him. Note to self: Change socks before tomorrows shoot. Oct 06 14 05:47 pm Link Sandra Vixen wrote: Test and TF are the same so no, that's wrong. Oct 06 14 05:51 pm Link When I do a portfolio shoot with a client, whether is for pay or TFCD there are a couple of things I do to minimize the after-shoot regrets. 1. We meet ahead of time whenever possible, share portfolios and set levels of expectations as regard to quantity, size of images, wardrobe, make up, etc 2. We shoot either tethered via a cable or wirelessly using a CamRanger set up so that the images from the camera, all of the images are displayed on a 24" hi-res, calibrated monitor. Before we move onto the next look, we both have to decide that we're both satisfied with the results. 3. After the shoot, I send the client two CDs. One contains thumbnails of ALL of the images, good or bad so that a model can see what poses do and don't work for her. The second CD contains both high and medium res versions of the selected, retouched images. Oct 06 14 05:54 pm Link OP I am in no way critiquing your look, however I will say, I did look at your portfolio, and if a photographer doesn't get good images of you, that's on him, it's in no way your fault. It's entirely possible that you just ran into a poor shooter. I know from my own experience that what looks good on the camera back can look terrible when you go to edit it. Again, that's not the models fault. Also and it's unfortunate, some people are just ass hats. Sounds like you ran into one. Oct 06 14 05:56 pm Link Who in their right mind intentionally throws in bad photos? LOL...Bullshit! I've heard it all now..I can go! LOL Oct 06 14 06:03 pm Link mental note: wear nice socks before I photograph a person. Oct 06 14 06:14 pm Link Here's a thought - do some modeling for group shoots in your area (check out Meetup.com, depending on where you live there are a ton of photography groups), and use this as an opportunity to 'audition' potential TF photographers. Could be one way to separate the good eggs from the bad, and at a minimum, get a feel for the photographer's character. You should never, ever be subjected to critical comments about your physique from any photographer. I give tremendous credit to any model who puts herself (or himself) in front of a camera...it's an exercise in vulnerability for sure. Putting yourself out there for the world to see is an act of courage and should be applauded. Oct 08 14 09:45 pm Link DCurtis wrote: Please do seriously it's great karma! That really is the main point of the entire post Oct 08 14 09:58 pm Link KitLizzadro wrote: Actually you don't. Most likely those were the best ones. You can blame yourself, you can blame the photographer, but don't for a second believe that there are better images that are being "hidden" from you KitLizzadro wrote: Yes photographers use testing to test out new ideas or to try something before the paying client shoot. KitLizzadro wrote: actually you started it be saying he sent you terrible images KitLizzadro wrote: who approached whom? If it was him approaching you you have a right to feel upset. If it was you approaching him then maybe he decided to take a chance and it didn't work out for either of you. In the end we can't comment any more specifically because it would be an unsolicited critique. KitLizzadro wrote: as would anyone KitLizzadro wrote: He probably feels the same KitLizzadro wrote: How did he misrepresent? Are there girls who look like you in his book? Did he come to you or you to him? TF- used to be called testing. Sounds like he did just that. KitLizzadro wrote: You should pay for images or accept that the people you do tests with might not shoot something you like. Insulting his appearance doesn't help in any way. Honestly, if painfully, if you were a fashion model, which you are too short to be, you would be plus sized. You need to remeasure your waist, it is most likely 27 inches. I know this because i am your height, with a small waist for my weight and I have a 32 inch waist at 20 pounds heavier. I would lose about an inch per 10 pounds, so 29-30in is most likely your correct measurements. Having bad measurements on your profile will hurt you when you go in for a shoot because you are advertising something you can't deliver. Oct 08 14 09:59 pm Link KitLizzadro wrote: This is why I shoot barefoot and I don't own socks. Oct 08 14 10:02 pm Link Grady Richardson wrote: This is one of the most valuable lessons I am learning here. Oct 08 14 10:02 pm Link Star wrote: Before I read your post I actually just updated my profile I agree to some extent that it was a bit hostile. Oct 08 14 10:19 pm Link KitLizzadro wrote: You are amazingly gorgeous and is he cannot get good shots with a model like you, then I doubt he can get any good shots at all! And.....BTW.......I kinda like my crusty white socks...... ;-) Oct 08 14 10:27 pm Link Any photography who blames a model's body size as the reason for the shoot not turning out well isn't willing to admit that he did a shit job and it's to blame for the crappy photos. He is a cry baby that rather blame others than himself. I hope he sees this thread.... YOU SUCK, you aren't a real photographer!! Now, lets get back to you feeling used & humiliated. First off, you are a pretty girl and you shouldn't feel bad that some douche bag tried to put the blame on you cause they aint man enough to take the heat. Second you weren't used. The whole point of TFP/testing for most photographers is to make their crazy ideas reality as well as trying out new lighting/cameras/lens etc I do a lot of test shoot with models. I have an idea, I will shoot that model hopefully get some wicked shots for her/him and shoot it again and better with the next model. It's how us artist work to perfect something and when we have gotten close enough to perfection we move on to testing other crazy ideas with many other models. Don't feel used, it's not meant for that, it's how we create and it's how models also learn and get better at modelling.  Good luck and make sure to let people know about that douche bag.... Oct 09 14 08:20 am Link Geeeeeeeezzzzz, luckily, I don't wear socks . . . so, how kin ya tell . . .  Sorry to hear you had such a bad experience . . . sometimes people forget simple things like basic manners . . . SOS Oct 09 14 08:26 am Link |
