AdrienneEichner wrote:
If she 'turns me into mm', what does that mean?! How do I fight?

The same results as turning you in to the US Attorney General's office. If you are worried, have the other members of the team turn in sworn depositions or affidavits.

Never setup a complex and large team shoot with an untested, unknown, new model.

AdrienneEichner wrote:
Now, she wants full pay and is threatening to turn me in to mm! I don't deserve this.

That maybe, technically, defined as extortion. You could probably report the model to MM - especially if the threats were on MM messages.

Cap Hayes wrote:
... And, maybe put a note in your profile that you do not recommend working with her MM#.

+1, yes, it's a public service announcement to help others avoid flakes in the future.

AdrienneEichner wrote:
If she 'turns me into mm', what does that mean?! How do I fight?

Since Model Mayhem doesn't get involved in this type of situation, there is nothing to worry about there.

If she's going to 'turn you in' for being unprofessional, you could always counter it with turning her in for being an idiot.

Just a thought

Deep Visions wrote:
No show, no pay. It's that simple

+1

AdrienneEichner wrote:
Model didn't show Thursday! ............. Now, she wants full pay and is threatening to turn me in to mm! I don't deserve this. ............If she 'turns me into mm', what does that mean?! How do I fight?

I appreciate all advice!

Well, pretty obvious that you are dealing with an immature, irresponsible, self-centered, juvenile that doesn't have any grasp on reality.   The lesson here is that when you set up a future elaborate shoot such as described in your post, you be sure that you schedule it with a model who has rock solid credentials and references and that preferably you've worked with previously.

Her demand for pay for a shoot at which she was a no-show is, of course, outrageous.  Sadly, it's not even shocking to hear stuff like this.  However, there are lots of beautiful, responsible, energetic, and hard working models, on MM and elsewhere.  You just got lined up with a rotten apple in the barrel.

The work in your port is outstanding.  Hope you don't have to go through this again.  Believe me, it has happened to most of us who shoot with MM models.  It is what it is.  Learn and move on.  Keep up the good work.

Amadea T wrote:
... tell her to get bent.

GRMACK wrote:
Send her the bill for your hired help and site rental since she no-showed.

You and the other 7 team members have my sympathy, but you don't need to get yourself worried as MM is quite fair in such situations by not siding or getting involved under these circumstances.  True : we are only hearing your 'one side' of the story, but its not slanted towards slander but of your own reputation and concern over a false report.

For going so far out of your way to assemble such a shoot makes you one of the rare and valuable breed here.

...sigh*  I used to go all out like this too, but so many flakey models later can crush your soul ~ and I realized using a digital set is much cheaper and to keep a 'Plan B' so as not to entirely waste my time.

"Integrity" is becoming a rare commodity these days...

AdrienneEichner wrote:
Model didn't show Thursday! She texted she was going to be 4 hours late. I said that's okay if you get here with just enough daylight left. She said it would be dark before she would arrive.  Model tried to reschedule for today (Saturday) but the location wasn't available. Wants to shoot in a hotel minutes ago (texting) but I said no, location was key to this photoshoot with her. Now, she wants full pay and is threatening to turn me in to mm! I don't deserve this. Thursday's photoshoot: start at 130pm, 2 videographers, 2 photographers, 3 workers were hired to help with the horses, horses were groomed, horse carriage was arranged, 1 assistant was hired, etc. All ruined because I had high expectations from this model. I didn't schedule another model.  Now...no pictures for me and the others, no videos for my ads and the others, the others were pitching in on costs (of course), etc. If she 'turns me into mm', what does that mean?! How do I fight?

I appreciate all advice!

Send her a bill for all service she was booked for and that she will be paid when her service bill is paid in full... If she doesn't pay with 30 days you will be reporting to MM and start collections paperwork for small claims court. It's business everyones TIME/MONEY AND EFFORT is not worthless. You show up for work, when booked, and paid after you do your job...

Francisco Castro wrote:
There is something missing. What is she expecting to be paid for, and what are you worried that she will tell MM?

I knew that it would come to this one day

Wanna be model signs up with Model Mayhem. Puts up a profile with cell phone pics.

Forget flaking.

Forget non shows.

Forget corresponding with the photographer.

That is such a waste of time.

Why no eliminate all that silly stuff


Now all a model needs to do is respond to a casting call, get a pay pal account and get paid big money while she is out doing her thing with her friends bragging about how she is making it as a model now.

Model:  I made $3000 today.

Friend: Wow. How did you do that?

Model: I do modeling now.

Friend: So, what kind of modeling did you do?

Model:  I didn't do anything. The shoot is today. It is right now.

Friend: But, how did they do a shoot without you.

Model smiles: They have stand in's. You know, doubles.

GRMACK wrote:
Send her the bill for your hired help and site rental since she no-showed.

Breach of contract. Small claims court. OR BETTER YET hope she files and file a counter claim. Judge Judy would tear her a new one.

Studio36

salvatori. wrote:
you could always counter it with turning her in for being an idiot.

You can't fix dumb!

But just one worthless opinion.

Fotographic Aspirations wrote:
Put a half dozen corn flakes in a bubble pack envelope, write her a note saying she must provide her own milk .... :-)

+1000

DOUGLASFOTOS wrote:

Ya gotta love this.

Would this work?
Enter the above artwork (after getting permission from it's creator, of course) in the model of the day contest with a credit to her MM #

Would that be considered outing? 

Or,  just photograph a few cornflakes on a white card and enter it in a bunch of the contests with her MM # as the credit.

Come to think of it, why isn't there a "Flake of the Day" contest, or a "Flake of the Week".  Seems like an OK idea to me.

AdrienneEichner wrote:
Model didn't show Thursday! She texted she was going to be 4 hours late. I said that's okay if you get here with just enough daylight left. She said it would be dark before she would arrive.  Model tried to reschedule for today (Saturday) but the location wasn't available. Wants to shoot in a hotel minutes ago (texting) but I said no, location was key to this photoshoot with her. Now, she wants full pay and is threatening to turn me in to mm! I don't deserve this. Thursday's photoshoot: start at 130pm, 2 videographers, 2 photographers, 3 workers were hired to help with the horses, horses were groomed, horse carriage was arranged, 1 assistant was hired, etc. All ruined because I had high expectations from this model. I didn't schedule another model.  Now...no pictures for me and the others, no videos for my ads and the others, the others were pitching in on costs (of course), etc. If she 'turns me into mm', what does that mean?! How do I fight?

I appreciate all advice!

Don't sweat it, MM's stance in circumstances like this, is that it's a private dispute between two members and we generally don't get involved. If there was a string of such reports, they might take a closer look, but not over a single complaint, particularly given the circumstances described.

AdrienneEichner wrote:
Model didn't show Thursday! She texted she was going to be 4 hours late. I said that's okay if you get here with just enough daylight left. She said it would be dark before she would arrive.  Model tried to reschedule for today (Saturday) but the location wasn't available. Wants to shoot in a hotel minutes ago (texting) but I said no, location was key to this photoshoot with her. Now, she wants full pay and is threatening to turn me in to mm! I don't deserve this. Thursday's photoshoot: start at 130pm, 2 videographers, 2 photographers, 3 workers were hired to help with the horses, horses were groomed, horse carriage was arranged, 1 assistant was hired, etc. All ruined because I had high expectations from this model. I didn't schedule another model.  Now...no pictures for me and the others, no videos for my ads and the others, the others were pitching in on costs (of course), etc. If she 'turns me into mm', what does that mean?! How do I fight?

I appreciate all advice!

From this side of the story, not only do you have nothing to worry about if she "turns you in to MM", it sounds like she's the one doing things that other members should be wary of/protected from.

Should be nothing to fight, and if she thinks you owe her for a shoot she did not show up for, that's insane.

She could even have a "VIP" account on the site, makes no difference.  You did nothing wrong, and have not mentioned anything that would obligate you to any amount of payment.

Don't sweat it... if anyone owes anyone money, sounds like she owes you folks.

AdrienneEichner wrote:
Thursday's photoshoot: start at 130pm, 2 videographers, 2 photographers, 3 workers were hired to help with the horses, horses were groomed, horse carriage was arranged, 1 assistant was hired, etc.

First highly unprofessional of her to not show. Second, this sounds like an AMAZING shoot- who wouldn't make all efforts possible to show up!

MikkiMarvel wrote:
I'd suggest just ignoring any further correspondence from her.

+1