ontherocks wrote:
what kind of drug makes you want to hack up your boyfriend?

i'm always a bit suspicious when someone blames it on alcohol or drugs. even if the drugs/alcohol contributed did someone force them to take them?

if she did it because he was trying to kill her and it was kill or be killed then more power to her. otherwise i'd pass.

I am only reporting on what i read in the newspaper

I suspect there were other factors involved

I have not spoken with the model about any of this

Koryn wrote:
People engage in violent behaviors for many different reasons, and sometimes you can't really understand why they would act a certain way unless you knew everything about their life at that particular time, the people in it, the nature of their private relationships. Even the circumstances that led up to the violent incident for which they went to jail.

Also, some do become genuinely awful human beings when they are on drugs. A sober mind and a perspective that has been influenced by having a lot of time to sit in a cell, and think and think some more, does change people.

As a result, I think it's best not to judge felons without knowing them first - especially if they have served their time and resumed functional lives in regular society. People change. Even horrible people.

Well stated

Garry k wrote:
Would You shoot with a Model who is a convicted Felon and why or why not ?

Recently I shot with a female model who had just served a 3 year prison sentence for trying to hack her boyfriend to death with a machette

In her defense though - She was /is quite beautiful ( joke )  and well - she reportedly was high on drugs when the crime was committed .Also reportedly she was remorseful in the aftermath of the crime

A couple of my photographer friends were incredulous that I would do a shoot with such a model and questioned my sanity

I would have to agree with your friends.  Why would you want to put yourself at risk.  Prisons are full of people that violated their parole so the fact she was on parole isn't much a guarantee she won't commit another crime.  The drug problem is just another reason not to work with her.  With so many hard working professional models out there why would you want to work with a model that tried to commit murder.

rowanfoto wrote:
Would you photograph a male model who tried to hack his girlfriend to death?

Difficult question for me to answer as I do not shoot males

Peter House wrote:
Why not. Photo journalists have been photographing gang members and criminals for ages.

But they're generally not bringing them into their private space (studio) to do that.

Solas wrote:
I think it would depend on the crime.. violent crime is fairly broad. You can get an assault charge for flicking someone's hat.

What about a sex crime or a rapist? Would you work with them ?

Personally I would draw the line at working with any sex offender esp pedos

Garry k wrote:
Personally I would draw the line at working with any sex offender esp pedos

Agreed, I know that would be my line as well.

Garry k wrote:
Would You shoot with a Model who is a convicted Felon and why or why not ?

I guess that also depends if she is a career criminal or what the nature of her crime and conviction was.

It is easy in the US to be convicted and sentenced of a crime... it's a systemic issue, since incarceration is a very big business in the US. At 2.7 Million US citizens currently incarcerated... 7.2 Million in the system, which included on probation or parole... resulting that 70 Million US citizens have a criminal record... and private prison companies get often up to 90% occupancy GUARANTEE if they build prisons in their rural areas...  it's no surprise that you would encounter a convicted felon who is modeling for you!

For a sexy, comic relief, just watch this Criminal Woman Strips Levi's Ad from 1995   

I have done business with people who were incarcerated... I have a few friends that did time for white collar crimes and are cool as fuck and never screwed me over... always being straight up... so... I judge the individual and his/her actions towards me, and not what a corrupt, greedy system tells me about those people.

udor wrote:

I guess that also depends if she is a career criminal or what the nature of her crime and conviction was.

It is easy in the US to be convicted and sentenced of a crime... it's a systemic issue, since incarceration is a very big business in the US. At 2.7 Million US citizens currently incarcerated... 7.2 Million in the system, which included on probation or parole... resulting that 70 Million US citizens have a criminal record... and private prison companies get often up to 90% occupancy GUARANTEE if they build prisons in their rural areas...  it's no surprise that you would encounter a convicted felon who is modeling for you!

For a sexy, comic relief, just watch this Criminal Woman Strips Levi's Ad from 1995   

I have done business with people who were incarcerated... I have a few friends that did time for white collar crimes and are cool as fuck and never screwed me over... always being straight up... so... I judge the individual and his/her actions towards me, and not what a corrupt, greedy system tells me about those people.

Always appreciate your input Udor

Garry k wrote:
Would You shoot with a Model who is a convicted Felon and why or why not ?

( Edit ) And if so - then where would you draw the line in terms of accepting whatever crime they had committed ?


Recently I shot with a female model who had just served a 3 year prison sentence for trying to hack her boyfriend to death with a machette

In her defense though - She was /is quite beautiful ( joke )  and well - she reportedly was high on drugs when the crime was committed .Also reportedly she was remorseful in the aftermath of the crime

A couple of my photographer friends were incredulous that I would do a shoot with such a model and questioned my sanity
- To which I replied that I believed in giving most people ( models included ) a second chance in life - if they are truelly remorseful over thier previoous crimintal actions , And also I did not expect any problems from her during the shoot cus my guess was that she is still on parole

Anyways the Shoot went well and We had fun



PS - No I will not identify this model (even though she is not an MM member )

I don't like it when people judge me or don't give me a second chance. I try to extend the same grace to others.

J O H N  A L L A N wrote:

But they're generally not bringing them into their private space (studio) to do that.

If you are not comfortable shooting her in the studio you can always shoot them on location.

Hunter  GWPB wrote:
Models shoot with me on a regular basis and I have been found guilty of a traffic violation, once.

You are so hardcore!!! 

Hunter  GWPB wrote:
If you got caught up in something, paid a price; would you want people to give you a chance?  Or shall we just make every sentence life without parole so we don't have to deal ever again?

America is supposed the land of second chances... unfortunately... the realities of the laws after a criminal convictions are so harsh that you will be barred from certain jobs for life, because you screwed up decades ago.

Good example (and excellent article!) is Mark Wahlberg's situation and him being denied restaurant licenses, because he was sentenced to 3 months in prison, 25 years ago:

"But his criminal record has prevented him from getting restaurant licenses in some states, and made him unable to conduct philanthropic work with at-risk youth. This is why Wahlberg is asking the governor of Massachusetts to pardon his convictions,"

Images by MR wrote:
If they're beautiful why the hell not...    whatever they did is in the past doesn't effect me.

Jodi Arias?