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devanshukashyap

Posts: 18

Mumbai, Maharashtra, India

Can we have tagging of online resources in thread which are helpful to explain the photography basics a model must be aware of.
Also, some key features of photo editing that must be there for general knowledge of a model,  kindly educate on the same as well.

Warm regards.

Sep 12 15 01:04 am Link

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Natural Means

Posts: 936

Yamba, New South Wales, Australia

Get a feel for the rythym that the photographer likes to shoot at, be ready to hold poses longer for some, and move into next pose without being told for others.

Sep 12 15 01:08 am Link

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Newcomb Photography

Posts: 728

Tampa, Florida, US

Obtain a basic understanding of the lighting (including modifiers) being used and where the shadows will fall ... especially when in studio.  If you are outdoors without reflectors or strobes you have much more leeway.  Once you are told where your "MARK" is (i.e. where you are supposed to stand) and the boundaries of your movement circle or box, then understand lighting of the set/scene and where the "KEY" or "MAIN" light is; which light is used for "FILL" and where or how the hair/back/side or other lighting is being used.

If the lights are really close, then appreciate that a movement of 8 to 12 inches one way or another may ruin the shot.  Big modifiers that are 8 or 12 feet away give you more room to move without over/under exposing the shot, whereas, the closer the light the less movement you have.  This is called the inverse square law.

http://docs.mcneel.com/flamingo/nxt/hel … basics.htm
http://petapixel.com/2013/05/24/dear-mo … otographs/

Sep 12 15 08:47 am Link

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Mark Salo

Posts: 11726

Olney, Maryland, US

Be aware of the main light and try to avoid shadows on your face.  This applies mostly to women: long hair and upraised arms often cast shadows on the face.

Fingers should be relaxed, not tense - again more for women.

Sep 12 15 09:12 am Link

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LeonardG Photography

Posts: 405

San Francisco, California, US

devanshukashyap wrote:
Can we have tagging of online resources in thread which are helpful to explain the photography basics a model must be aware of.
Also, some key features of photo editing that must be there for general knowledge of a model,  kindly educate on the same as well.

foreshortening/perspective
lighting
camera angles

those are the important things.

Sep 12 15 12:38 pm Link

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Colin G Photography

Posts: 94

Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

Don't tell the photographer your edits on your phone make his photos "better".

Do learn a few poses, and try to get better with following direction.

Sep 12 15 05:52 pm Link

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Stephen Fletcher

Posts: 7501

Norman, Oklahoma, US

If I ask you to give me a "bedroom" face don't tell me you already are.

Sep 12 15 08:02 pm Link

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Kjos Photography

Posts: 164

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, US

devanshukashyap wrote:
Also, some key features of photo editing that must be there for general knowledge of a model

I hope you're not asking what edits you should do to a photo....
In my opinion, Most photographers become unhappy if a model is editing photos without asking prior approval.

Sep 12 15 08:28 pm Link

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photoimager

Posts: 5164

Stoke-on-Trent, England, United Kingdom

Able to use / follow the light.
Communicate effectively.
Turn up on time.
Be prepared.
Meet the brief.
Have alternative options ready.

All of which applies to photographers as well.

Sep 13 15 01:50 am Link

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TMA Photo and Training

Posts: 1009

Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US

A model...to be a model... must  know how to look and perform better than average.  So this means for a model to be valuable and worthy of good pay... she should know and have practiced the following 10 deliverables.

During a Photo Shoot For example:

1.)  How to do 15 standard poses and how to modify them in a fluid, slow moving, stop action, sequence.
2.) How to do foundation, eye liner, mascara, eye shadow, false lashes, and lipstick if necessary... She may save the Photographer $75-$200 right off the bat.  A model that can pose and do makeup is heaven sent!
3.) How to put together a wardrobe with accessories that is attractive and fashionable and that complements their color
4.) How to do 3-4 hair styles on themselves.  Straight, wave, pull back, up-do, eliminate frizzies.
5 ) How to produce different facial expressions during the same shoot... smile, serious, sexy, tease, distant, aloof etc.
6 )  How to relate to the camera as a person or the ultimate viewer...and exhibit personality and connection.
7.)  How to synchronize to the shooting style and pace of the photographer and his equipment... Discuss preferred shooting interaction and timing and work out an interactive, coordinated connection for direction.
8.)  Knows how to negotiate and interactively contribute looks and energy to a shoot with the photographer.  Gets into a shoot and becomes a connected actress with the body language, facial expressions and attitude of the subject or theme.
9.)  Knows how to get to the shoot on time and ready to shoot if asked...or how to work with a MUA or be a part of a Team
10.)   Knows how to work at booking and coordinating her shoot, makes billing arrangements according to local practices, has fair rates, works with signing contracts ok, can Flex with changes at the shoot, has a sparkeling attitude.  Friendly, Helpful, Involved, Vibrant. 

What a fun, dynamic, beautiful, professional, skilled, connected, delightful person she was!!   I would love to work with her again!!  She worked WITH me... and made my job so easy... and she produced some gorgeous images!!  WOW!  What was her name again???

Sep 15 15 06:25 pm Link

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Zack Zoll

Posts: 6895

Glens Falls, New York, US

I strongly prefer models that don't have a strong photography background. Sure I want people that are familiar with the act of having their photo taken, but I don't want people that know all about f/stops, lighting ratios, etc.

The reason is that people tend to do what they think is best. That's not negative - it's just human nature. If that weren't the case, we'd all be dead by now.

But it means that if I ask for X and the model thinks Y would make a better image, that model will usually do Y, or something halfway between X and Y. I asked for X. Their knowledge might tell them that X is going to look horrible, but I still asked for X.

Models that are familiar with the process, and are very good at their job, will do X, and then suggest that Y would also make a very good image. And usually they are right. I have used models' suggestions over my own ideas many times. But many timea I do use my own idea, and models with more experience behind the camera than in front of it with just go ahead and do Y, and that annoys me somethin' fierce.

If my idea sucked, I deserve the right to find that out on my own, and to have a learning experience from it.

It's like having a backseat driver, but you occasionally have to pay them for the privilege.

Sep 15 15 06:55 pm Link

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Shei P

Posts: 540

Brooklyn, New York, US

TMA Photo and Retouch wrote:
A model...to be a model... must  know how to look and perform better than average.  So this means for a model to be valuable and worthy of good pay... she should know and have practiced the following 10 deliverables.

During a Photo Shoot For example:

1.)  How to do 15 standard poses and how to modify them in a fluid, slow moving, stop action, sequence.
2.) How to do foundation, eye liner, mascara, eye shadow, false lashes, and lipstick if necessary... She may save the Photographer $75-$200 right off the bat.  A model that can pose and do makeup is heaven sent!
3.) How to put together a wardrobe with accessories that is attractive and fashionable and that complements their color
4.) How to do 3-4 hair styles on themselves.  Straight, wave, pull back, up-do, eliminate frizzies.
5 ) How to produce different facial expressions during the same shoot... smile, serious, sexy, tease, distant, aloof etc.
6 )  How to relate to the camera as a person or the ultimate viewer...and exhibit personality and connection.
7.)  How to synchronize to the shooting style and pace of the photographer and his equipment... Discuss preferred shooting interaction and timing and work out an interactive, coordinated connection for direction.
8.)  Knows how to negotiate and interactively contribute looks and energy to a shoot with the photographer.  Gets into a shoot and becomes a connected actress with the body language, facial expressions and attitude of the subject or theme.
9.)  Knows how to get to the shoot on time and ready to shoot if asked...or how to work with a MUA or be a part of a Team
10.)   Knows how to work at booking and coordinating her shoot, makes billing arrangements according to local practices, has fair rates, works with signing contracts ok, can Flex with changes at the shoot, has a sparkeling attitude.  Friendly, Helpful, Involved, Vibrant. 

What a fun, dynamic, beautiful, professional, skilled, connected, delightful person she was!!   I would love to work with her again!!  She worked WITH me... and made my job so easy... and she produced some gorgeous images!!  WOW!  What was her name again???

https://media.giphy.com/media/10dVnDzdGp6uje/giphy.gif

Sep 15 15 07:09 pm Link

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D a v i d s o n

Posts: 1216

Gig Harbor, Washington, US

Mark Salo wrote:
Be aware of the main light and try to avoid shadows on your face.  This applies mostly to women: long hair and upraised arms often cast shadows on the face.

Fingers should be relaxed, not tense - again more for women.

+1

Sep 15 15 07:31 pm Link

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TEB-Art Photo

Posts: 605

Carrboro, North Carolina, US

1) Show up

2) If you need to cancel, cancel early and TELL the photographer

3) Mention it beforehand if you have cut off all your hair or want all-of-a-sudden to bring an escort

4) practice smiling in front of a mirror. I've worked with "regular models" and artsy models, who don't like to smile. I prefer the latter, most of the time, but being able to smile without looking constipated is a useful skill to be able to have.

5) visit some quality Tumblr's (like Risen Phoenix's, or gravenimagery.tumblr.com) and emulate the poses that look interesting to you.

6) have a stock of standing, seated, and supine poses in your head.

7) Show up

Sep 16 15 06:20 pm Link

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JenniferMaria

Posts: 1780

Miami Beach, Florida, US

Zack Zoll wrote:
I strongly prefer models that don't have a strong photography background. Sure I want people that are familiar with the act of having their photo taken, but I don't want people that know all about f/stops, lighting ratios, etc.

The reason is that people tend to do what they think is best. That's not negative - it's just human nature. If that weren't the case, we'd all be dead by now.

But it means that if I ask for X and the model thinks Y would make a better image, that model will usually do Y, or something halfway between X and Y. I asked for X. Their knowledge might tell them that X is going to look horrible, but I still asked for X.

Models that are familiar with the process, and are very good at their job, will do X, and then suggest that Y would also make a very good image. And usually they are right. I have used models' suggestions over my own ideas many times. But many timea I do use my own idea, and models with more experience behind the camera than in front of it with just go ahead and do Y, and that annoys me somethin' fierce.

If my idea sucked, I deserve the right to find that out on my own, and to have a learning experience from it.

It's like having a backseat driver, but you occasionally have to pay them for the privilege.

Then it would seem you're working with the wrong people. If someone is on your set, they are to work under your direction unless you deem otherwise.

I've been fortunate to have photographed other photographers as well as modeled for other photographers with pleasant experiences and no backseat driving. I hope you also get to.

Sep 16 15 10:01 pm Link

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Mike Collins

Posts: 2880

Orlando, Florida, US

A few of the things posted hear sound more like things the photographer should be aware of more than the model.  A model can only give a photographer what is asked of them.  Never assume the photographer wants you to pose however you feel like. 

So my advice?  Listen.  Follow directions.  Never assume anything.  Bring your A game.  Have fun!

Sep 17 15 05:01 am Link

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Laura Elizabeth Photo

Posts: 2253

Rochester, New York, US

TMA Photo and Retouch wrote:
A model...to be a model... must  know how to look and perform better than average.  So this means for a model to be valuable and worthy of good pay... she should know and have practiced the following 10 deliverables.

During a Photo Shoot For example:


2.) How to do foundation, eye liner, mascara, eye shadow, false lashes, and lipstick if necessary... She may save the Photographer $75-$200 right off the bat.  A model that can pose and do makeup is heaven sent!
3.) How to put together a wardrobe with accessories that is attractive and fashionable and that complements their color
4.) How to do 3-4 hair styles on themselves.  Straight, wave, pull back, up-do, eliminate frizzies.

Most models shouldn't be expected to do any of those things.  That's what MUAs, wardrobe stylists and hair stylists are for or hell I take care of it myself but I never put that responsibility on the model.

Sep 17 15 06:16 am Link

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Laubenheimer

Posts: 9317

New York, New York, US

Zack Zoll wrote:
I strongly prefer models that don't have a strong photography background. Sure I want people that are familiar with the act of having their photo taken, but I don't want people that know all about f/stops, lighting ratios, etc.

The reason is that people tend to do what they think is best. That's not negative - it's just human nature. If that weren't the case, we'd all be dead by now.

But it means that if I ask for X and the model thinks Y would make a better image, that model will usually do Y, or something halfway between X and Y. I asked for X. Their knowledge might tell them that X is going to look horrible, but I still asked for X.

Models that are familiar with the process, and are very good at their job, will do X, and then suggest that Y would also make a very good image. And usually they are right. I have used models' suggestions over my own ideas many times. But many timea I do use my own idea, and models with more experience behind the camera than in front of it with just go ahead and do Y, and that annoys me somethin' fierce.

If my idea sucked, I deserve the right to find that out on my own, and to have a learning experience from it.

It's like having a backseat driver, but you occasionally have to pay them for the privilege.

+1

Sep 17 15 12:57 pm Link

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roger alan

Posts: 1192

Anderson, Indiana, US

For me, with only a hand full of shoots and at hobbyist level (but with aspirations to improve) it is a good thing if a model is cognizant of images being created by other models and photographers, both at upper levels of the industry and also at the local/amateur/hobbyist level.

If I am communicating with a model about a possible shoot, I consider it a plus if she has a MM list. To me that means she has enough genuine interest to have looked around,  is more likely to have realistic expectations, and is more likely be willing to put in effort to learn things that would help to contribute to a successful shoot. It is also a helpful early step in the communication process as it may indicate the types of images she is interested in shooting (which is exactly what my list does).

A list is not a "must have". I am surprised by the numbers of less experienced models who do not have a list. When they don't, I tactfully (I hope) suggest that they look through my MM list, asking if they see anything that they like.

Sep 17 15 05:28 pm Link

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Zack Zoll

Posts: 6895

Glens Falls, New York, US

JenniferMaria  wrote:

Then it would seem you're working with the wrong people. If someone is on your set, they are to work under your direction unless you deem otherwise.

I've been fortunate to have photographed other photographers as well as modeled for other photographers with pleasant experiences and no backseat driving. I hope you also get to.

People can be 'the wrong people' for a variety of reasons. But at the end of the day, does it matter what those reasons are? You can't explain away a bad photo. A bad photo of someone with a gripping, tragic back story is still a bad photo.

I have photographed other shooters without backseat driving. But I've never had a backseat driver that didn't know how to drive. If you don't believe me, try pointing your lights at your model's knees, and see how many people with zero photo experience even notice - let alone say something.

I've been out of school for a while now - crits are over. Unless you're looking to buy one of my prints, or I'm delivering a speech at an opening, I don't want to have a conversation about my methods. You're here to shoot - not because I need a friend to talk to. If the photos suck, that's my problem - not yours.

Sep 17 15 06:12 pm Link

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REMOVED

Posts: 1546

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Aspiring models need to research the basics, and fully understand just what the job description of a model means.

One is not a model by virtue of merely being "pretty", or because of expensive surgical enhancements.

One must be facially, and bodily expressive, be knowledgeable about contemporary style, model releases, copyright, reproduction rights, and usage agreements.

Know the technical, and creative standards for quality photography to recognize good work when you see it.

Model hopefuls must learn the most effective methods of vetting those that contact them to separate the true working professionals from the outright liars.


So many in my market are unable to turn their interests in to meaningfull work, or viable income not because of their looks,  but because of their self-defeating behavior.

Know the qualities expected with the term "professional.

Sep 21 15 07:53 am Link

Photographer

Michael Alestra

Posts: 539

MOUNT ROYAL, New Jersey, US

its not enough to be attractive. you have to know how to convey a certain emotion with your facial expressions.

the number one thing i look for in a model is if they can you make the person looking at the picture feel a certain way. i can only control the composition and exposure...

Sep 21 15 09:15 am Link

Photographer

Laubenheimer

Posts: 9317

New York, New York, US

TMA Photo and Retouch wrote:
A model...to be a model... must  know how to look and perform better than average.  So this means for a model to be valuable and worthy of good pay... she should know and have practiced the following 10 deliverables.

During a Photo Shoot For example:

1.)  How to do 15 standard poses and how to modify them in a fluid, slow moving, stop action, sequence.
2.) How to do foundation, eye liner, mascara, eye shadow, false lashes, and lipstick if necessary... She may save the Photographer $75-$200 right off the bat.  A model that can pose and do makeup is heaven sent!
3.) How to put together a wardrobe with accessories that is attractive and fashionable and that complements their color
4.) How to do 3-4 hair styles on themselves.  Straight, wave, pull back, up-do, eliminate frizzies.
5 ) How to produce different facial expressions during the same shoot... smile, serious, sexy, tease, distant, aloof etc.
6 )  How to relate to the camera as a person or the ultimate viewer...and exhibit personality and connection.
7.)  How to synchronize to the shooting style and pace of the photographer and his equipment... Discuss preferred shooting interaction and timing and work out an interactive, coordinated connection for direction.
8.)  Knows how to negotiate and interactively contribute looks and energy to a shoot with the photographer.  Gets into a shoot and becomes a connected actress with the body language, facial expressions and attitude of the subject or theme.
9.)  Knows how to get to the shoot on time and ready to shoot if asked...or how to work with a MUA or be a part of a Team
10.)   Knows how to work at booking and coordinating her shoot, makes billing arrangements according to local practices, has fair rates, works with signing contracts ok, can Flex with changes at the shoot, has a sparkeling attitude.  Friendly, Helpful, Involved, Vibrant. 

What a fun, dynamic, beautiful, professional, skilled, connected, delightful person she was!!   I would love to work with her again!!  She worked WITH me... and made my job so easy... and she produced some gorgeous images!!  WOW!  What was her name again???

and what about male models?

roll

Sep 21 15 09:50 am Link

Photographer

Zack Zoll

Posts: 6895

Glens Falls, New York, US

What about male models, Mark? wink

Sep 21 15 10:02 am Link

Photographer

Laubenheimer

Posts: 9317

New York, New York, US

Zack Zoll wrote:
What about male models, Mark? wink

here is a male model i photographed. notice the foundation, eye liner, mascara, eye shadow, false lashes, and lipstick. He saved me $200 right off the bat.

https://archives.marklaubenheimer.com/image.php?image=/james.jpg&width=600&quality=90

Sep 21 15 10:24 am Link

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REMOVED

Posts: 1546

Atlanta, Georgia, US

new models.com is a good starting point for factual industry information for novice models, Google can surely lead to other resources.

In the online world, there are thousands of modeling hopefuls for each legitimate opportunity, this should be a consideration in how talents conduct themselves.

Beginners with long lists of demands are unlikely to find much success.

Sep 22 15 07:05 am Link