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Photographer

hapiemedia

Posts: 51

Venice, California, US

Okay I changed my policy.  I now demand that no escorts allowed and the models must have at least 3 alcoholic beverages prior to shoot and one drink at the shoot supplied by me.   
Cosby approved method !!

Nov 20 15 11:13 pm Link

Photographer

Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 13200

Brooklyn, New York, US

Have many false allegations have been made against you ?

Nov 20 15 11:16 pm Link

Photographer

Iktan

Posts: 879

New York, New York, US

I'm assuming OP has been doing this
https://0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/dev/52/21/cb7efeba6a732f6534ca3b5d88adf631.jpg




https://i.imgur.com/Zjwo4.gif?noredirect

Yeah ok


Nice pics of Shelby mate.

Nov 20 15 11:26 pm Link

Model

Liv Sage

Posts: 431

Seattle, Washington, US

I'd be fine with this - as long as I get to add an addendum to the model release saying that nothing from the GoPro is published.

Otherwise, carry on.

On a more serious note, there are photographers who get taken advantage of, and I think people should be more aware of that. People will contact them and then steal everything once they show up. Or, a model will contact them for a meet and greet only to have a partner rob their vehicle. Photographers need to be guarded as well. There is legitimately terrible stuff that happens to them as well.

Nov 20 15 11:29 pm Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

I have had no false allegations made against me.  I've been alone shooting many nude models.  Sometimes multiple nude models.

Nov 21 15 12:55 am Link

Photographer

Jeffrey M Fletcher

Posts: 4861

Asheville, North Carolina, US

The GoPro sounds fun, I'm glad it's working for you.

Do you think they'd go for me in a Hazmat suit and several off duty police officers attending as witnesses?

Never can be too safe.

Nov 21 15 04:58 am Link

Photographer

DeanLautermilch

Posts: 321

Sebring, Florida, US

ASmallWoman wrote:
On a more serious note, there are photographers who get taken advantage of, and I think people should be more aware of that. People will contact them and then steal everything once they show up. Or, a model will contact them for a meet and greet only to have a partner rob their vehicle. Photographers need to be guarded as well. There is legitimately terrible stuff that happens to them as well.

About once a month I get someone trying get me to do a shoot and have felt I was being set up to be robbed. If they don't have a real MM profile I will ignore them. I've had offers that nude models around a pool would be mine to photograph and all I had to do was show up at a certain address. I had one guy that sounded like he was from India promises me endless models to do a shoot in a garage in downtown Miami. He kept calling for months. Yet when I mention MM or OMP and they have no idea of what I mean I know it is not for real.

Nov 21 15 05:07 am Link

Photographer

Good Egg Productions

Posts: 16713

Orlando, Florida, US

hapiemedia wrote:
I inform all of my models prior to shoots that I wear a chest mounted gopro that records the audio and video of the entire shoot.  I decided on this policy last year to protect against false allegations.  So far no model has had a problem with it.  I feel more comfortable and safe having it.

I think you're being paranoid and silly.  That GoPro stipulation may be a hurdle for some models, but I'm not going to tell you how to conduct your business.  I've had about 1000 shoots with probably 700 or so individuals over the last 12 years, and I haven't had a single situation where video "evidence" would have been necessary or useful. 

Consider if you're doing an implied nude shoot.  The model is counting on you waiting for her to be in position and covered before you take a photo.  If you're filming the entire thing, she may choose not to do that implied work.  But I'm sure that's something you've considered.

Was there an incident that led you to this measure of "protection"?

Nov 21 15 05:14 am Link

Photographer

Good Egg Productions

Posts: 16713

Orlando, Florida, US

ASmallWoman wrote:
I'd be fine with this - as long as I get to add an addendum to the model release saying that nothing from the GoPro is published.

Otherwise, carry on.

On a more serious note, there are photographers who get taken advantage of, and I think people should be more aware of that. People will contact them and then steal everything once they show up. Or, a model will contact them for a meet and greet only to have a partner rob their vehicle. Photographers need to be guarded as well. There is legitimately terrible stuff that happens to them as well.

What the hell?  Seriously?

Do you know a single person that this has happened to?  This probably happens about as often as a model going to a shoot who gets raped or killed.  Meaning, almost never.  A whole string of bad decisions has to be made to end up in a situation where you will be this vulnerable, as a photographer.

Just today, I was offered a video job that sounded a little sketchy.  I bid a price well above what I would normally quote, if it I didn't get a weird vibe from the guy setting it up.  He told me he'd get back to me, but never did.  Bullet dodged.

We've all heard the "stories" of the photographers who get robbed of everything or beaten up by gorilla escorts, but do any of us actually know of anyone who this ACTUALLY happened to?  Maybe one of us knows personally one person.  But you make it sound like it's a widespread epidemic issue. 

It's just simply not.

Nov 21 15 05:20 am Link

Model

Koryn

Posts: 39496

Boston, Massachusetts, US

I'd probably never agree to shoot trade with someone who felt the need to wear a camera. Maybe if they paid me really well.

I'd assume that they were jaded and difficult to work with, and not likely worth my time for anything except cold, hard cash.

Nov 21 15 05:40 am Link

Photographer

Mike Collins

Posts: 2880

Orlando, Florida, US

"Hi model.  I am going to be wearing a body cam and video tape every move you make."

Naa, doesn't sound creepy to me.  (rolls eyes)

Nov 21 15 05:57 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Koryn wrote:
I'd probably never agree to shoot trade with someone who felt the need to wear a camera. Maybe if they paid me really well.

I'd assume that they were jaded and difficult to work with, and not likely worth my time for anything except cold, hard cash.

+1   big_smile

Nov 21 15 05:58 am Link

Photographer

Wheeling Tog

Posts: 159

Wheeling, West Virginia, US

OP...good idea if you have had worries. No different than the cops wearing a body cam.  If you don't want to use a GoPro use a sound recorder. Or a video cam mounted in the studio.  I usually don't have those problems, so never gave it much thought for my work.

Although, I did have a problem in Amsterdam. I was shooting for this project...

nsfw

http://dewallenrld.tumblr.com/

A trans prostitute masquerading as a female agreed to let me shoot her for 5 - 10 minutes for $40. The prostitutes all demand $ upfront. After I paid her she said she now wanted $100 or she would call the police and say I attacked her.

The few prostitutes I hired almost all cheated me. I normally don't hire models I am a street and doc photog. But if you want inside shots to round the book out you gotta pay for access.

BTW, if you think $40 is high for 5 minutes photo access. The vast majority of the 40 to 50 prostitutes I solicited for photo access refused the offer. Some would allow a couple of shots of a body part, photos of their kamer or an interview for $, but no photos of them.

You wont be able to walk around with a GoPro in the Red Light District, you will get your ass kicked if caught. Photography is outlawed. But tourists sneak low quality pix all the time.

OP...just be happy your not a street photog. These are the type of people and problems I deal with...

nsfw

https://danielteolijr.wordpress.com/201 … tographer/

Nov 21 15 06:07 am Link

Photographer

Kent Art Photography

Posts: 3588

Ashford, England, United Kingdom

hapiemedia wrote:
I inform all of my models prior to shoots that I wear a chest mounted gopro that records the audio and video of the entire shoot.  I decided on this policy last year to protect against false allegations.  So far no model has had a problem with it.  I feel more comfortable and safe having it.

Perhaps you should only shoot with models who have Verified Credits on MM.

Nov 21 15 06:17 am Link

Photographer

Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13564

Washington, Utah, US

I used to be against escorts, but now when a model brings an escort, I bring Guido, my escort/bodyguard.   I find a 6-5 muscle bound brute with a kevlar jacket, helmet with go-pro mounted on it and semi-automatic weapon, provides a nice, safe environment for everyone so we can relax and get on with the shoot with no worries of anyone doing anything inappropriate.

Nov 21 15 07:09 am Link

Model

Model MoRina

Posts: 6639

MacMurdo - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by New Zealand, Antarctica

hapiemedia wrote:
I inform all of my models prior to shoots that I wear a chest mounted gopro that records the audio and video of the entire shoot.  I decided on this policy last year to protect against false allegations.  So far no model has had a problem with it.  I feel more comfortable and safe having it.

Yeah, well, I have special breast implants with spy cameras attached with the lenses in my nipples. So while you are filming me, I'll be filming you.

Here's looking at you!

Nov 21 15 11:01 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

MoRina wrote:

Yeah, well, I have special breast implants with spy cameras attached with the lenses in my nipples. So while you are filming me, I'll be filming you.

Here's looking at you!

lol

Nov 21 15 11:24 am Link

Photographer

hapiemedia

Posts: 51

Venice, California, US

MoRina wrote:

Yeah, well, I have special breast implants with spy cameras attached with the lenses in my nipples. So while you are filming me, I'll be filming you.

Here's looking at you!

I assume you do all of your shoots without an escort ?

Nov 21 15 11:25 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

hapiemedia wrote:

I assume you do all of your shoots without an escort ?

She never had an escort when I photographed her.

Nov 21 15 11:27 am Link

Photographer

hapiemedia

Posts: 51

Venice, California, US

Jerry Nemeth wrote:

She never had an escort when I photographed her.

post wasn't for you.

Nov 21 15 11:28 am Link

Photographer

hapiemedia

Posts: 51

Venice, California, US

Gerardo Martinez wrote:
Nice pics of Shelby mate.

lol, you looked up my pictures to find out who the model was.  not, that's not creepy or anything.

Nov 21 15 11:29 am Link

Model

Laura UnBound

Posts: 28745

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

It's easy to avoid false allegations when people aren't showing up at all.

Nov 21 15 12:04 pm Link

Photographer

Arizona Shoots

Posts: 28657

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
I have had no false allegations made against me.  I've been alone shooting many nude models.  Sometimes multiple nude models.

Most models could out-run you.

Nov 21 15 12:20 pm Link

Photographer

Arizona Shoots

Posts: 28657

Phoenix, Arizona, US

I make it easy on myself.. I just tell every model during the booking process that I intend to put my finger in their butt..

Nov 21 15 12:23 pm Link

Photographer

Light and Lens Studio

Posts: 3450

Sisters, Oregon, US

MoRina wrote:

Yeah, well, I have special breast implants with spy cameras attached with the lenses in my nipples. So while you are filming me, I'll be filming you.

Here's looking at you!

Binocular vision already big_smile

Nov 21 15 12:31 pm Link

Photographer

PhotographybyT

Posts: 7947

Monterey, California, US

MoRina wrote:

Yeah, well, I have special breast implants with spy cameras attached with the lenses in my nipples. So while you are filming me, I'll be filming you.

Let me know if you ever need your "gear" serviced. big_smile

Nov 21 15 12:49 pm Link

Photographer

AgX

Posts: 2851

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

MoRina wrote:
Yeah, well, I have special breast implants with spy cameras attached with the lenses in my nipples. So while you are filming me, I'll be filming you.

Here's looking at you!

Canon or Nikon or one of each? I suppose you're shooting in the RAW files, right?

Nov 21 15 01:09 pm Link

Photographer

LightDreams

Posts: 4440

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

MoRina wrote:
Yeah, well, I have special breast implants with spy cameras attached with the lenses in my nipples. So while you are filming me, I'll be filming you.

Focus! Focus!

P.S.  I think this one's got you beat!

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meffj … o1_500.gif

Nov 21 15 01:23 pm Link

Photographer

Frank Lewis Photography

Posts: 14492

Winter Park, Florida, US

Thanks for promoting unwarranted fear and paranoia.

Nov 21 15 01:36 pm Link

Photographer

Light and Lens Studio

Posts: 3450

Sisters, Oregon, US

hapiemedia wrote:
Okay I changed my policy.  I now demand that no escorts allowed and the models must have at least 3 alcoholic beverages prior to shoot and one drink at the shoot supplied by me.   
Cosby approved method !!

LMAO!!

I spoke to a friend who runs a security service.  He informed me that he had a number of young male security guards (aka "rent-a-cops") that would probably pay me to attend one of my shoots (to protect me, of course).  LOL. 

How much should I charge them?

Nov 21 15 01:45 pm Link

Model

Model MoRina

Posts: 6639

MacMurdo - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by New Zealand, Antarctica

LightDreams wrote:

Focus! Focus!

P.S.  I think this one's got you beat!

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meffj … o1_500.gif

I would never get through TSA with those.

Nov 21 15 02:04 pm Link

Model

Model MoRina

Posts: 6639

MacMurdo - permanent station of the US, Sector claimed by New Zealand, Antarctica

John Jebbia wrote:
I make it easy on myself.. I just tell every model during the booking process that I intend to put my finger in their butt..

And you just asked me this week why we never shot together the year I lived in Phoenix....

Nov 21 15 02:06 pm Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

MoRina wrote:

And you just asked me this week why we never shot together the year I lived in Phoenix....

That's the reason.   lol

Nov 21 15 02:11 pm Link

Photographer

matt-h2

Posts: 876

Oakland, California, US

There are some irony challenged people here. Keep them away from the Onion!

Nov 21 15 02:20 pm Link

Model

Liv Sage

Posts: 431

Seattle, Washington, US

Koryn wrote:
I'd probably never agree to shoot trade with someone who felt the need to wear a camera. Maybe if they paid me really well.

I'd assume that they were jaded and difficult to work with, and not likely worth my time for anything except cold, hard cash.

I'd assume they were silly, and I certainly wouldn't shoot with them for a small sum. Because, the implication would be that they are very paranoid. But, a good cash payment, and I'd overlook a bit of paranoia.

I'd especially think it's funny considering my size and demeanor. Also, the more I'm thinking about this, the go-pro wearer is joking right? Who would do that for a shoot with a model?

Nov 21 15 05:29 pm Link

Photographer

Herman Surkis

Posts: 10856

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

hapiemedia wrote:
Okay I changed my policy.  I now demand that no escorts allowed and the models must have at least 3 alcoholic beverages prior to shoot and one drink at the shoot supplied by me.   
Cosby approved method !!

If you have to go this far for people to get it, that the OP was a tongue in cheek response to all the 'model safety' posts, we are in deep trouble.

Nov 21 15 05:33 pm Link

Photographer

Arizona Shoots

Posts: 28657

Phoenix, Arizona, US

I think the OP may be onto something. However, why stop at a video camera strapped to your chest? Don't forget to place cameras in the dressing room to prevent wardrobe theft too? This serves a double purpose too in that it gives you great content to post to Redtube..

Nov 21 15 05:54 pm Link

Photographer

Arizona Shoots

Posts: 28657

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Gerardo Martinez wrote:
I'm assuming OP has been doing this
https://0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/dev/52/21/cb7efeba6a732f6534ca3b5d88adf631.jpg

I friggin hate this image. That dude looks a lot like me.

Nov 21 15 05:57 pm Link

Photographer

Skydancer Photos

Posts: 22196

Santa Cruz, California, US

It's deja vu all over again..


wink

Nov 21 15 06:05 pm Link

Model

Isis22

Posts: 3557

Muncie, Indiana, US

FYI:Body cameras that cops wear are not filming the whole time. They have to push a button and then it goes back 30 seconds.

Nov 21 15 06:15 pm Link