Makeup Artist
Camera Ready Studios
Posts: 7191
Dallas, Texas, US
Roshar wrote:
So many people are missing the point.
If you are a really good photographer- you will not face a kit fee.
If you are just ok- then kit fees are stated since the MUA feels they may not get useful images.
They are also stated to weed out the GWCs on this site.
If you really like what that artist can bring to your book, but dont want to pay a 400$ day rate then whats the big deal?
It is a security thing for us cause if the photographers pix suck, we have gas money to get home.
Heck- there are so many instances that even without the kit fee we still never get the images or CD.
Or have to hunt photographers down for 6 months to get the CD! You right, some people just dont get it.... so let me scream it for them  .....
IF YOU ARE BEING ASKED FOR A KIT FEE THE ARTIST THINKS SHES BETTER THEN YOU ARE!!!!! and if that insults you take prozac or Xanax or what ever you take to cope with dissapointments in life because the bottom line is...we are not equal and if we were david lachapelle would be calling me to test.
I see some of you consistantly bent out of shape because some of us artists and stylists do not test PERIOD. You say things like "she or he is too good to test" guess what?..... sometimes thats the case, so deal with it.
Everyone is at a differing level in their careers and if you have not proven yourself to be valuable in the industry as in paid work, good tear sheets, dont expect good artists that have proven themselves valuable to the industry to work with you, they are working with photographers at their level. So everyone needs to get over feeling bad that we are all not at the same place and if it bothers you, lift yourself up to a higher level where good artists will work with you free.
Photographer
Chuck Holliday
Posts: 484
New York, New York, US
not surprised at the amount of criticism - this is the same place that complains about tyler's 9.99 a month, especially the people in NY, thats lunch money in this city ya
i dont see anything wrong with it - despite the usual (yawn) rants from photographers about their equipment fees, if you feel as if you should be owed by paying thousands of bucks for the equipment, charge.
MUA charges, and why not? they are important to the shoot - sure you can just shoot without them and photoshop your way out of it, but if you know youre getting quality work from a quality babe, then that kit fee is worth it. i know of a babe who charges $225 a head, but her fee is worth it - she's done publication (and not any of the low end pubs like "yo yo yo" mag or "hot girl yo" mag but quality pubs) and has caked up some known babes and her quality of work is fierce so its worth it in the end.
gotta invest in what you do - you get what you pay for, and if you dont invest in your journey, who else will? i know for me, if a babe is griping about paying the MUA, then thats a problem - i care more about the MUA getting her money than me because imma make my money regardless after the fact, but they need to be compensated and if the babe shooting doesnt even want to pay the MUA to cake her up, then the model should learn on her own how to cake her own self up instead of running around spending $15 on a blue motorcycle or jack-n-coke at the local club
Makeup Artist
Kimberly Steward
Posts: 10
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
I am so glad to see MUA's responding to this thread.
I have a testing fee and a commercial fee. In my expierence, if I have charged a photographer for a shoot that is supposed to be a test or TFP it is because I don't know the photographer, the model(s), what they are going for, or all of the above. I try to make it a point not to do free shoots if I do not totally believe in it.
If you look at my portfolio, the majority of it was TFP or test shoots with no cost to anyone from me. BUT, that was something that was set up and agreed upon by all parties. It was not a shoot were I was the last thought.
But now I have millions of pictures to choose from to update my book at anytime I please, so until I am looking for a totally upgrade or someone just blows me out of the water, there will be a testing fee.
Makeup Artist
Makeup by Courtney
Posts: 1
Auburn Hills, Michigan, US
My thought about is this when I do a TFP shoot I charge a kit fee because I have to supply the makeup that I will use, and as all the MUA's know good quality makeup doesnt come cheap.
I understand what you mean by the images as being the pay but we bring makeup and our skills to the shoot so a kit fee for ME personally is something that I charge for. I dont expect to get $100 for a kit fee (in fact I charge about $40) but i think my point was made.
Photographer
Jack North
Posts: 855
Benicia, California, US
i M a g e ye wrote:
Okay so what is 'A kit fee'? When, MUA's are coming in for TFP/cd work. I'm starting to see this lot. I thought TFP/cd meant = all involved would receive images from the shoot. I understand if you're traveling from another city but isn't everyone traveling from somewhere too? Please someone help me understand. If it's, TFP/cd; how come the MUA receive a kit fee, plus images? I have indulged them.
Makeup Artist
Rayrayrose
Posts: 3510
Los Angeles, California, US
Ashley Elizabeth wrote:
Hmmmm $25,000 sounds a bit exaggerated to me. Even including my airbrush and compressor. And I've got a lot of high end products in my kit. I would love to see this kit.
But then again all my shoes combined total over $25,000 so anything is possible. i think she was quoting it in canadian dollars, i could be wrong though, as i am not good with exchange rates.
$25k for shoes..,. dang girl.... but then again if i could afford it..... if i spent that much i would literally be the little old lady who lived in a shoe.
Photographer
W I L L I A M A N U E L
Posts: 223
Emeryville, California, US
Jack North wrote:
its probably my fault. I think we are dealing with the same people, and I have indulged them. Nah...Jack not you!!! Tell me it isn't so :-) You are falling to the Dark side man.
(Joking)
You have an awesome Portfolio...but in the interest of building a strong port. TFP/CD isn't bad for anyone.
...by the way Jack it couldn't be your fault Sir. Thereâs no money here, everyone wants all of it for free.
I love the forums.
Photographer
ChristerArt
Posts: 2861
Cambridge, England, United Kingdom
Glamour Boulevard wrote:
Quality professional cameras run from 1,000-20,000 bucks, good light sets can run upwards of 500-1000 per light,the laptop I use for editing cost almost 3 grand, often a photographers editing charge can reach 50 bucks an hour or more....
And you were saying?............. 1K - 20K? - what about set ups like these:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/revie … view.shtml
that's like 45K...
Granted, most of use don't use that kind of equipment - myself I stopped using my Hasselblads when I fell in love with the quality of Canon's digital DSLR's and their "L" lenses. After katrina I have a few camera bodies less but right now I have 5 bodies - no Hasselblads any more..=*^)
But, what GB is mentioning her eis just the tip of the iceberg, the studio, the insurance, the rent, the maintenace of the studio, the desktop system in addition to the laptop, the studio furniture, the replacement of all the digital stuff every two to three years - *I* upgrade to the newest digital every two years as does most pros...
How much does a top quality tripod with a good head cost today? I tell you - around $700 - $1,000! Not good news for me who have to replace all mine...
And a top quality strobe system easily runs 10K. Anyone likes continues lights? HMI Lights? - kits run upwards of 5K or more for a good one, like a Mole Richardson kit. The Lowel lighty kit I drag around when I am on the road is $1,500 by itself. The Canon strobes I got are $350 each, the powerpacks is the same - thre's another $1,400... A frigging camera bag runs $200 - $300 hundred if you want a decent one - and you need several, right? My editing charge is $125/hr.
I am fortunate to have met a pro in AZ who has given me a key and an office in his fully equipped studio complete with a MUA at my beck and call - his rent is $3K/month, he's got 4 different light systems - up to 2400 ws powerpacks, light modifiers, 6 pockete wizards, wardrobes, you name it. - and we are supposed to equate this to a mua kit? How much of this kit is used every time - and what does the MUA get in return if the photog is good? Anyone care to figure out the cost/hr for this guy?
Most pros have a CDB - cost of doing business - that's around $350 at the very bottom end to upwards of $1,000/day! That's just what it takes to cover the cost of staying in business - to be able to keep the doors open!
Me thinks something is a little out of whack here...
Photographer
Gary Berger
Posts: 21
Toronto, Iowa, US
Fashion Photography without a Makeup Artist is like a traditional artist painting without paint. The kit fee many MUA's charge is for the replacement of a consumable product. It has nothing to do with travel time, time spent prepping the Model(s), touch ups, advice, or any other time related duty.
If you want to produce a quality fashion image it's important to have a makeup artist included in the shoot. Many models will not shoot without one present.
A "kit fee" payment is a deal. If you are a amateur photographer or model you probably don't care as you are practicing and the image isn't intended for commercial use. The mua is in fact doing a tfp the same as the Photographer, Model, or Stylist with the main difference being when she/he leaves the shoot upon completion her product kit will be lighter and because of the tangable asset loss it's fair to reimburse them for their contribution.
Having said that I'd like to thank the many MUA's I've worked with on a "kit fee" basis and I do appreciate your contribution to the shoots. ANY professional photographer will reply likewise I'm sure.
that's my 2 cents worth.
Photographer
ChristerArt
Posts: 2861
Cambridge, England, United Kingdom
sharpshooter wrote:
ANY professional photographer will reply likewise I'm sure.
that's my 2 cents worth. As you are not a pro, how do you know this?
Photographer
TVC Photography
Posts: 2
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US
This is to cover the cost of Makeup. It could get very costly if you have 5 or more models at a shoot. You would not want them to skimp on the makeup right?
Makeup Artist
ROSHAR
Posts: 3791
Los Angeles, California, US
Photographer
Jack North
Posts: 855
Benicia, California, US
i M a g e ye wrote:
Nah...Jack not you!!! Tell me it isn't so :-) You are falling to the Dark side man.
(Joking)
You have an awesome Portfolio...but in the interest of building a strong port. TFP/CD isn't bad for anyone.
...by the way Jack it couldn't be your fault Sir. Thereâs no money here, everyone wants all of it for free.
I love the forums. I think I know what you mean. and there is no sense in trying to profit from here - only in experience. all parties could justify a fee. for TFP, it should be $0 - but if the model is willing to pay the makeup artist, i say OK.
what is this dark side you speak of?
Photographer
CAP603
Posts: 1438
Niles, Michigan, US
TVC Photographic Studio wrote:
This is to cover the cost of Makeup. It could get very costly if you have 5 or more models at a shoot. You would not want them to skimp on the makeup right? So on a tfp I should charge for my consumables - rolls of film, chemicals to develop, and paper for the prints?
A trade should be a trade , not a trade plus expenses.
Photographer
Bryan Crump
Posts: 562
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, US
i M a g e ye wrote:
Okay so what is 'A kit fee'? When, MUA's are coming in for TFP/cd work. I'm starting to see this lot. I thought TFP/cd meant = all involved would receive images from the shoot. I understand if you're traveling from another city but isn't everyone traveling from somewhere too? Please someone help me understand. If it's, TFP/cd; how come the MUA receive a kit fee, plus images? a kit fee basically covers the cost of the materials, makeup, and accessories that may not be reusable after the shoot. THe makeup artist takes it as a loss, unless they get images or the KIT FEE and images or whatever is agreed upon. The TFP or TFCD is between the model and photographer, but often times the makeup artist is a seperate entity, unless specified in advance.
Photographer
Bryan Crump
Posts: 562
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, US
some places that are businesses like glamourshot and such do sample photoshoots, if you like the images you pay more for them. Other places go even further and charge for the cd, or image transfer costs, editing, upload, various sizes fees, licensing fees, it goes on and on, so if you shoot TFP or TFCD, everyone needs to agree on what the exact terms are.
Photographer
GregBrown
Posts: 784
Atlanta, Georgia, US
bang bang photo wrote:
WHY WHY WHY do so many people want to make hard and fast rules about this stuff? Ever notice how the value and prices of a lot of things in this world fluctuate? There's a reason for this: the simple laws of supply and demand. There are so many variables that go into a business transaction, trying to write unbreakable rules is ridiculous.
Here's an example -- 16 months ago, I was shooting a lot of catalog and commercial product work. I used a lot of models and MUA. When I did a TFP shoot, I used the same MUA I used for the commercial work. I had no difficulty asking my MUA to shoot for TFP, because we both knew that when I got a paying client, I was going to send the MU work to her, and make sure she was paid well by the client.
Today, my work has changed and I'm doing a lot of event and political work. I don't need a MUA for most of my paying work, so when I do a TFP shoot with a model, I have no problem paying the MUA's kit fee if she asks for it. Obviously, I try to find MUA who are willing to do good work in exchange for a CD or prints, but if I can't, I do what I have to do.
Everything is negotiable in this world. We all make business decisions based on our own particular situation and circumstances. I think all of us naturally want to make the most amount of money we can from our work, and pay the least amount of money for the services we receive. From this impulse comes NEGOTIATION. Some of us are just better at it than others. And some of us want to put spin out there to convince the world to do everything in a way that is best for us. Good luck with that!
Paul I am SO SORRY I got into this so late....But here's the answer right on the first page...The original question is "What is a KIT FEE for makeup artists?" It was explained. Whether one wants to use a MUA that demands one or not is up to the individual. Paul is so correct in his statements. If one treats one's peers with respect and regard-there won't be problems. Each situation is different. Tell your fellow artists what you expect from a shoot, and if the terms aren't agreeable or negotiable-work with someone else. I'd love to drive a Lexus, but I'm stuck with my VW. Doesn't mean the higher priced worker (or car) is any better--it's just what I can afford.
Photographer
W I L L I A M A N U E L
Posts: 223
Emeryville, California, US
Jack North wrote:
I think I know what you mean. and there is no sense in trying to profit from here - only in experience. all parties could justify a fee. for TFP, it should be $0 - but if the model is willing to pay the makeup artist, i say OK.
what is this dark side you speak of? Nothing really just being playful...sometimes I can get a little corny. I wish you much success in your future.
Photographer
Mann Made Imagery
Posts: 5281
Lubbock, Texas, US
now i haven't ready anything but maybe the 1st page but a kit fee to me is alright.
MUA's use things that frankly are not reusable. photographers and lights and stuff, hey! they can reuse them. MUAs and their make up... can't quite peel it off of someone else's face and stick it to another's face... now photographers shooting film, will probably have have a testing fee or a lot of really good photographers have a testing fee, just like how MUA's have a kit fee.
All things that are "free" are not always free... there is always fine print.
Photographer
BlindMike
Posts: 9594
San Francisco, California, US
If you don't want to pay, then don't. No one's holding a gun to your head saying you have to. Ranting about it isn't going to change things.
Personally if I think the work is worth it, then I'll have the model pay for it.
Photographer
K. Adam Stockstill
Posts: 338
Austin, Indiana, US
How about making sure everyone involved knows whos getting what before you ever start.
Photographer
Vito
Posts: 4581
Brooklyn, New York, US
Thuy Anh wrote:
now i haven't ready anything but maybe the 1st page but a kit fee to me is alright.
MUA's use things that frankly are not reusable. photographers and lights and stuff, hey! they can reuse them. MUAs and their make up... can't quite peel it off of someone else's face and stick it to another's face... now photographers shooting film, will probably have have a testing fee or a lot of really good photographers have a testing fee, just like how MUA's have a kit fee.
All things that are "free" are not always free... there is always fine print. Well, most of us can't reuse film or developing chemicals (or the cost of pro developing) or studio rental (be it for that day or the monthly rent for a studio).
Model
Andrea Barnett
Posts: 108
Sacramento, California, US
Leonard Gee Photography wrote:
Yes, MUA kits can cost hundreds of dollars that need to be replace - maybe the entire kit by one year ($500?). Say they do 2-3 sessions per month low estimate, 36 sessions divide into $500 comes up to $13.88 per session to replace entire kit.
The photographer's kit is worth maybe $10,000+. Cameras, lenses, lights, batteries.... and maybe replace once every 10 years. At $1,000 a year conservatively - it's 2X the MUA's costs. So if they charge us $50, we can charge them $100 equipment fee. $500??? You guys are completely unaware of how much make up costs... by this post alone. Yes, they will have to completely replenish their supply within a year, but we're talking more along the lines of $5,000 AT LEAST every year. I dont think having a photographer AND model splitting a kit fee an unreasonable request at ALL. Basically... the photos wont turn out the way you want them to unless you have a good MUA. Your chances at developing better photos because of that one person are a lot better. So the 25-50 dollars of make up that the MUA puts on your face? I'd say thats MORE than reasonable. Photographers, yes, have an initial fee when buying their equiptment. But... past a camera, its all optional. MUAs have to have make up for EVERY skin tone, for EVERY look. And their supplies cannot be used over and over and over again.
Makeup Artist
ROSHAR
Posts: 3791
Los Angeles, California, US
Vito wrote:
Well, most of us can't reuse film or developing chemicals (or the cost of pro developing) or studio rental (be it for that day or the monthly rent for a studio). Most photographers shoot digital now- so fitting film and chemicals into the equasion isnt necessary. Also, not many rent studios on tests, the tests Ive done have been on location or in the livingroom.
Besides- Ive NEVER recieved prints only the CD- So I have to get printing done!
So sorry- that was a failed attemt to make a point.
Plus- dont photographers get payed more than MUAs?
Makeup Artist
ROSHAR
Posts: 3791
Los Angeles, California, US
Photographer
SolraK Studios
Posts: 1213
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Mary wrote:
You right, some people just dont get it.... so let me scream it for them .....
IF YOU ARE BEING ASKED FOR A KIT FEE THE ARTIST THINKS SHES BETTER THEN YOU ARE!!!!! and if that insults you take prozac or Xanax or what ever you take to cope with dissapointments in life because the bottom line is...we are not equal and if we were david lachapelle would be calling me to test.
I didn't know you spoke for each and ever MUA in this world mary thanx for the info I'll try to communicate with you before i proceed forward !!!
I see some of you consistantly bent out of shape because some of us artists and stylists do not test PERIOD. You say things like "she or he is too good to test" guess what?..... sometimes thats the case, so deal with it.
simple answer is leave this site, why the hell would you get upset when a person ask you to test!!! Look 99.9 of the ppl here are trying to build a strong portfolio if yours is so strong you don't need to test then please just leave!!! I see strong portfolios of NY/LA best MUA ( and photographers) guess what they are not on MM!!
Everyone is at a differing level in their careers and if you have not proven yourself to be valuable in the industry as in paid work, good tear sheets, dont expect good artists that have proven themselves valuable to the industry to work with you, they are working with photographers at their level. So everyone needs to get over feeling bad that we are all not at the same place and if it bothers you, lift yourself up to a higher level where good artists will work with you free.
well let me see I am a member of MM, OMP and a few others I post on the forums # 1,000 so how far advance can a MUA I be ?? I really don't see the best of the best here posting ranting and condescending other artist get over yourself please!!
Model
Andrea Barnett
Posts: 108
Sacramento, California, US
KARLOS MATTHEWS wrote:
there are maaaaany big names on this site. its not just to develope portfolios... its also here to network. crazy.
Photographer
SolraK Studios
Posts: 1213
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Andrea Barnett wrote:
there are maaaaany big names on this site. its not just to develope portfolios... its also here to network. crazy. network with who other photographers?? that great if you not familiar with who's who in your area
Ok network with MUA great also which was mention earlier. It just upsets me to see ppl here to cop an attitude or act as they are " beyond " reach
Photographer
J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 12221
Los Angeles, California, US
Mary wrote:
You right, some people just dont get it.... so let me scream it for them .....
IF YOU ARE BEING ASKED FOR A KIT FEE THE ARTIST THINKS SHES BETTER THEN YOU ARE!!!!! and if that insults you take prozac or Xanax or what ever you take to cope with dissapointments in life because the bottom line is...we are not equal and if we were david lachapelle would be calling me to test.
I see some of you consistantly bent out of shape because some of us artists and stylists do not test PERIOD. You say things like "she or he is too good to test" guess what?..... sometimes thats the case, so deal with it.
Everyone is at a differing level in their careers and if you have not proven yourself to be valuable in the industry as in paid work, good tear sheets, dont expect good artists that have proven themselves valuable to the industry to work with you, they are working with photographers at their level. So everyone needs to get over feeling bad that we are all not at the same place and if it bothers you, lift yourself up to a higher level where good artists will work with you free. With all due respect Mary - I just don't get why an MUA would exhaust 1/2 day of their lives in return for a "kit fee" of $25 or $50, for images they anticipated as not likely to exhibit quality at an exceptable level for their eventual use to self-promote.
In reciprocol, I wouldn't test with a model or mua or stylist, where I received a nominal consumables fee, where I thought their contribution wouldn't be sufficient to produce images of the quality I required. It would be such a 'time suck'.
John
Photographer
J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 12221
Los Angeles, California, US
Andrea Barnett wrote:
... Photographers, yes, have an initial fee when buying their equiptment. But... past a camera, its all optional. You can't be serious - "Optional"?
I stopped shooting for quite a while, because doing a project that had the potential of producing images that were at the technical level that interested me, was just horribly expensive. Even with primaries testing, the costs to the photographer for portfolio shots (where there is no usage reimbursement), is astronomical.
Film (yes, I know digital now)
Processing (see above)
Location fees
Assistant(s)
Studio
Wardrobe rental
Accessory rental
Any primary that's not testing
prints
additional equipment rental
Set expenses.
Project management crap
on and on and on - $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
John
Photographer
Ivan Aps
Posts: 4996
Miami, Florida, US
LeBrone wrote:
Quality MU is really expensive, so you are helping to cover the cost of the supplies. They are providing the skills in return for images. My MUA's kit is worth thousands, and the mu has a short life span and constantly needs to be replenished. Not to say this is a silly statement, but....... How much is a professional camera? How much are the lenses? Here's one, how much does it cost a photographer to replace a strobes filliment? If still shooting film....guess how much a professional level roll of film runs...the kind kept in a cooler and a manufacture date so you tell if it is at it's peek?
The only person who does not have to invest money in a test shoot is the model (generally). Everyone else invests money for supplies, invest time (the photographer by far ten times more than anyone else.
Honestly, in my opinion, a MUA charging a kit fee for a TFP/CD shoot would be like me then charging them for the CD and the prints. If the shoot will give you great images for your portfolio, is it not worth $20 bucks in make-up?
Makeup Artist
ROSHAR
Posts: 3791
Los Angeles, California, US
Apfel Photography wrote:
If the shoot will give you great images for your portfolio, is it not worth $20 bucks in make-up? You obviously havent been reading the whole thread.
A good photographer will not be quoted a kit fee.
Photographer
J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 12221
Los Angeles, California, US
Roshar wrote:
You obviously havent been reading the whole thread.
A good photographer will not be quoted a kit fee. So Roshar, I'd pose the same question then (that I asked Mary a couple posts above), to you.....
John
Photographer
SolraK Studios
Posts: 1213
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Roshar wrote:
You obviously havent been reading the whole thread.
A good photographer will not be quoted a kit fee. where do you guys get these lame ass rules !
Makeup Artist
ROSHAR
Posts: 3791
Los Angeles, California, US
Ok-
I get contacted by 10 photographers a day that want to test.
Fact is that their work will not benifit my port.
Now instead of saying " I dont test"- I state a kit fee.
Reason being is that I dont want to alienate the photographers that do compliment my work by saying I dont test.
Would you guys rather I say " NO TESTING AT ALL!"
At least if you feel I can compliment your port, but you cant afford my day rate, you can still work with me (like I explained in earleir posts).
If one of those good photographers contact me I waive the fee.
Most MUAs will waive it if they think you do great work- Thats why I said read all of the the thread cause about 4 MUAs have explained this.
Now if there is someone that is just ok- sometimes there work is on spot- othertimes its questionable, I will say the fee. Just cause there is a 50/50 chance that I will get something. Add to the fact that they keep asking me to work with them.
Why do I do this? Cause I have tested with SO MANY photographers and spent- what you guys say is little- money, but I NEVER got the CD!!
Or the pix ended up sucking.
JUst like I said in an earlier post which I thought explained it.
Did that help you understand why some of us think this way?
Makeup Artist
ROSHAR
Posts: 3791
Los Angeles, California, US
Makeup Artist
Ashley Hutchings
Posts: 28
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
I have had this discussion a few times with photographers wondering way artist's ask for a Kit fee when nobody else is getting paid. In my experience when I am asking the photographer to shoot and it's my idea I don't ask for a kit fee. If it is offered of course you are going to say yes I mean who wouldn't. Like it's been said many times in this thread if you don't think the work is going to benifit your book you may also ask for a kit fee.
As for the spending comparason's for photographers and MUA, MUA's spend crazy amounts of money every month to keep updated with the change in the season's new product launches and what not. I am just finishing school and my kit is already worth approx. $5000.00 and I'm only a student. Most artists also have more than one kit such as an FX and a fashion one. I'm not saying the photographers don't spend money though as it has been stated it can cost 20,000 to set up a studio and what not. I think both photographers and the MUA spend money to make money but again like it has been said many times on this forum sometimes it's worth paying the kit fee because if you want quailty images you need a quality MUA.
Makeup Artist
ROSHAR
Posts: 3791
Los Angeles, California, US
Ashley had a point-
If I contact you- I am NOT expecting a kit fee.
Photographer
BrooklynPhoto
Posts: 290
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
AA batteries, $3 for 4,or $20 for 4 rechargeble, flashtubes $30-$60, modelling light bulbs, $14-$40, gels/diffusion $120 a roll, balckwrap, $20-$30 a roll, wardrobe, backdrops, clothespins and other expebdabiles- ???? and that's just the stuff that wears out and needs to be replaced on regular basis. We all do TFP because we need images. Fun with a hot chick? whoever wrote that clearly thinks with the small head. That's not a purpose that's even worth my time. I have a girlfriend for that. It's a symbiotic relationship. We ll need to invest the time etc to get the images. If I pay you, I don't owe you images. Choose which you need more, and I will choose if I am going to work with you. Passing off costs to the model is really not cool. It violates the spirit of TFP. I usually ask models to bring their own make up to supplement the MUA's. This helps even things out.
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