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I will let a MUA, stylist, wardrobe designer touch me during a shoot but never the photographer. What is your policy on touching? Aug 20 11 09:18 am Link Doesn't matter, as long as it's professional and necessary.. Aug 20 11 09:19 am Link InnaDaVida wrote: Why? Is there a photographer disease going around? Sometimes it is just easier for the photographer to move your hand to the correct spot or move some hair you can't see out of your face. Aug 20 11 09:21 am Link I am a designer so sometimes I have to touch the the model to make sure the fit is right. Otherwise I try to touch the model as little as possible. A photog touching a model....why would they? Aug 20 11 09:23 am Link the wife and i shoot together and models don't seem to mind if she touches them. if i need to touch (like to brush hair away after they're settled into a pose) i ask permission first. Aug 20 11 09:24 am Link InnaDaVida wrote: What if there's nobody else on set and something needs adjusting that you can't do yourself? If the photographer politely asks if he/she can do it will you still refuse? Aug 20 11 09:26 am Link liindsay ann wrote: + 1 !! Aug 20 11 09:28 am Link I will ask first and it has to be for a reason. Moving a draped shoulder material where I want it or something like that. It's not like I'm going purple nurple or anything here. Aug 20 11 09:30 am Link Funny you asked- I always tell the model about her hair being out of place. The other weeks she told me I could touch her hair but only with permission. I see it as an invasion of space but hair being out of place can ruin an otherwise great shot and it has happen before. I now ask the model to at least bring a hair brush. Aug 20 11 09:30 am Link InnaDaVida wrote: You've worked with a MUA, stylistic, wardrobe designer Aug 20 11 09:32 am Link Some models care some don't I respect the wishes of the model . Models who have a force field around them usually have very shot sessions . Just to be clear I ask first . The worst ones to deal with are the ones who bring a girl friend to make adjustments . 1% actually do it right the other 99% get to leave with the model  Aug 20 11 09:32 am Link Image Works 123 wrote: Yeah.... 2 seconds of getting hair out of the way saves 30 minutes of work in photoshop-- per strand! Aug 20 11 09:33 am Link Did you ever think the mua, designer or stylist gets more of a thrill than a photographer might! Just because they can! A photographer on set might have to be the stylist. Did you ever think of that? However, I am lazy..and I love assistance to do the dirty work. After all, I got pictures to take... Bottom line is photographers need better communication skills instead of using the excuse of touching someone to get the shot! J T Aug 20 11 09:36 am Link Maybe you shouldnt be in the business then.. models get touched by everybody in the real world to get the job done. Personally I dont touch anybody without permission as Im sure others would do the same. When youre a model in the real world, you get pushed and pulled in every direction.. Aug 20 11 09:36 am Link Image Works 123 wrote: I have a real problem with hair out of place too and the girls I do not like are the ones who do not let some one else fix it for them . You get them just right and they want to go to the make up mirror or they cringe when you try to do it your self . Aug 20 11 09:37 am Link simply offensive! I would ask any model who brings that kind of attitude to the shoot to leave immediately. My set my rules. That being said, I have never touched any model. its that attitude that I have issues with. Aug 20 11 09:38 am Link Creative Studio One wrote: Yes a good attitude goes a long way toward getting good results. Aug 20 11 09:40 am Link If it's something the model can correct, I'll just tell her. If it's something that's easier for me to correct, I'll ask first and then make the adjustment. I've never once had a model say no when I've asked. Some jobs either require or are easier with some contact. I really don't see why it should be a big deal. I also really don't see why it should matter if the person who touches is there primarily as a MUA or photographer. Either way someone is accomplishing what ever it is that aids the shoot. Aug 20 11 09:41 am Link PANHEAD PHOTOGRAPHY wrote: cuddies, or "cooties"? Aug 20 11 09:41 am Link I touch, hair, hands, face, shift here, shift there and I always ask first . . . we have to do what it takes to get the job done. Beyond this . . . you're fooling yourself. Aug 20 11 09:41 am Link InnaDaVida wrote: My policy on touching is simple: if something needs to be fixed and you can't do it yourself (or try and get it wrong), I will touch you to fix it. There is a big difference between touching appropriately and inappropriately. If you can't understand the difference, you need to find another hobby. Aug 20 11 09:43 am Link well i think some of this comes up with the nude models who are shooting with guys they presume to be GWCs who are really only interested in seeing them naked and may even try to cop a feel or two if they can get away with it. but it's unfortunate if they let that spill over into all their shoots. hair out of place is one of the biggest time sucks in post and something i'm vigilant about. and if i have them brush it away sometimes it wrecks a pose we've put effort into creating. or maybe i need to adjust their hand position in a way they can't do very well on their own. photography is a lot in the details at higher levels. Liquid Projects wrote: Aug 20 11 09:44 am Link InnaDaVida wrote: I never touch the model... never had a need... and when I want a pose that I cannot explain... I do the pose the best I can myself for a "visual" Aug 20 11 09:46 am Link Stefano Brunesci wrote: +$0.01 Aug 20 11 09:48 am Link Dont have a problem as long as they ask so I know theres a reason Aug 20 11 09:49 am Link hartcons wrote: I think for the most part.. if youre a guy.. it automatically screws you into having the model think that you just wanna see their goodies. Ive been doing this for two years now and its getting old quicker than anything. That and the I only do paid shoots but you look at their port and you vomit in your mouth a little or start laughing out loud and have to show whoever is in the same room and ask "is she/he serious??".. but getting back on track... Aug 20 11 09:52 am Link InnaDaVida wrote: I never touch models. They have cooties. Aug 20 11 09:52 am Link  Aug 20 11 09:54 am Link  Aug 20 11 09:54 am Link lol. i accidentally brushed a model's bottom while reaching to adjust a light. it was quite toned. fortunately we were all able to have a good laugh about it. Mnemosyne Photography wrote: Aug 20 11 09:56 am Link PANHEAD PHOTOGRAPHY wrote: +1 Aug 20 11 09:57 am Link I liken it to a visit to the doctor. It's business. If the photographer needs to adjust something on me, or whatever, it's no big deal, as long as he or she says that needs to happen. I have never not had it be otherwise. Aug 20 11 09:59 am Link The great Alfred Stieglitz...I'll wait while you Google him. Anyway, he always made a point of touching his subjects. Removing a piece of lint, moving a strand of hair, because he thought it showed he is interested in making his subject look their best. He cared. There's a bit of good psychology there. I always ask the model if I can touch before doing so and I say which part I plan to touch and why. "Is it ok for me to touch your hair, you have a few loose strands?" "Is it ok for me to touch your shoulder so I can show you where I want it?" etc. As for inappropriate touching, well, it's inappropriate and the model should react from there. If you're not sure but suspect some touching is inappropriate, excessive or unnecessary, speak up. You don't have to fly off the handle, in a nice way, let whoever is touching you know your limits. If it persists you should feel free to walk. Aug 20 11 10:03 am Link My policy is to never ever work with a crazy person, if it can be helped. Crazy people think that everyday kind of personal contact is some sort of sexual assault. It isn't. The model culture as it is reflected on MM is pretty alien to the one I know. Appropriate contact is appropriate and most mature adults understand this. I am just glad that most models are fairly sane happy people who are not waiting for a chance to display senseless histrionics. Aug 20 11 10:04 am Link on professional sets, the crew is not allowed to touch the model/actor. mua or stylist only. there are events where the photographer does come into contact with the talent, but it's usually by consent. Aug 20 11 10:07 am Link If I see a need to touch a model, which rarely happens, I always tell them what I intend to do and why, and I expect they'll tolerate what's necessary to get the shot. After all, that's what we're there for. Aug 20 11 10:07 am Link If I do not have an MUA on set I will do it myself. I always ask first and let them know exactly what I am doing and where I need to touch. If it is in a spot they can do themselves I ask them to do it. Aug 20 11 10:11 am Link liindsay ann wrote: Ditto Aug 20 11 10:13 am Link Would the OP have a problem with a female photographer touching her? Aug 20 11 10:20 am Link Depends...if I'm nude, regardless I have my assistant with me and he or she will usually assist the photographer with that sort of thing, unless I know the photographer outside of shooting. If it's still necessary (which in one case involving the placement of certain liquids/paints, it was), as long as the photographer asks before touching I'm fine as long as they have maintained a professional attitude the entire time. For non nude shoots, again, as long as they maintain a professional attitude the whole time and ask my permission (say, position a prop, wig, wardrobe, foot, hand, whatever) I'm fine with it. Aug 20 11 10:21 am Link |
