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Photographer
A K
Posts: 182
Charleston, South Carolina, US


She should discuss her wants with the photographer when arranging the shoot. Don't try to change the agreement after you arrive at the shoot. At any rate, if the photographer is going to grant her rights to use the photos, that's a different topic than a model release. You're best off with two forms, and of course discuss all of it before setting a time, date, and rate of pay.
Aug 17 11 08:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Keys88 Photo
Posts: 17,646
New York, New York, US


Was it REALLY necessary to bump this thread?

I didn't realize it was an old thread until I read the first page and saw people who haven't even been ON THE SITE in over 2 years! 

SMH
Aug 17 11 10:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
White Lace Studios
Posts: 1,719
Mesa, Arizona, US


Stephanie Castro wrote:
Is it werid, inappropriate or smart for a model to give a photographer a release form. My friend is making her own so she and the photographer both have the right to use the pics from the photo shoot however they want. Is she crazy? lol If a model can give out release forms how should it go? What should it say? What rights does he/she have?

She can ask for anything really. I am sure she'll find someone to agree to it.

I wouldn't. Most I know wouldn't.  I have a standard model release written by my attorney.

Aug 17 11 10:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


A model I use frequently recently raised a query about the release and useage forms I use and as a result I have made a small amendment to include the undertaking that I will not upload her images to porn sites.
It seemed reasonable and I had no problem adjusting my forms to include the additional caveats.

If there's something you don't like about the Forms a photographer uses, instead of making 'demands' or offering your own forms, just try talking to the photographer...you never know...

The day when a pretty girl cannot get a guy to do what she wants (within reason) by using her feminine wiles, guile and subtelty will be the day Hell freezes over...

But if you come across like a demanding harpy, you'll just get the door slammed in your face..
Aug 18 11 12:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Relative State
Posts: 274
Chicago, Illinois, US


QP Doll wrote:

rightly so, and if someone expected that, well, they must think they fart solid gold cupcakes.

that... that was funny...

Aug 18 11 12:23 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Wolfstar Studio
Posts: 861
Cross Roads, Texas, US


Stephanie Castro wrote:
Is it werid, inappropriate or smart for a model to give a photographer a release form. My friend is making her own so she and the photographer both have the right to use the pics from the photo shoot however they want. Is she crazy? lol If a model can give out release forms how should it go? What should it say? What rights does he/she have?

It's weird. It's inappropriate. She's crazy and I'll be handing her MY release that she can sign. I will NOT be signing hers. The models does NOT have the right to use the photos however she wants to. She may use them for self promotion ONLY. I can't imagine any photographer with an ounce of sense doing this any other way.

Aug 18 11 12:45 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
photosbydmp
Posts: 3,808
Shepparton-Mooroopna, Victoria, Australia


ROFLMAO woohoo !!
Aug 18 11 12:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RSM-images
Posts: 4,226
Jacksonville, Florida, US


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Contrary to popular belief, a "Model Release" is legally issued by the model and indicated *how* the images of that model may be used.  That is why it is called a "Model Release" because the model is releasing parametric image utilization.

Photographers getting offended by a model presenting/providing a Model Release simply do not understand what a Model Release happens to be.

A "Usage Agreement" is legally issued by a photographer and indicates *where* the images of the respective model will be used.

All involved parties (including MUA, etc.) should sign and date each agreement and all involved parties should get original copies (signed and dated) of each agreement.

It does not matter who originates either of the agreements, above.

Any party not in agreement with any term or condition is allowed to line through such offending verbage and all parties must initial any such deletions.

More terms and conditions can be added to any agreement and all parties must initial all such additions.

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Aug 18 11 01:02 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Harold Rose
Posts: 2,925
Calhoun, Georgia, US


Stephanie Castro wrote:
Is it werid, inappropriate or smart for a model to give a photographer a release form. My friend is making her own so she and the photographer both have the right to use the pics from the photo shoot however they want. Is she crazy? lol If a model can give out release forms how should it go? What should it say? What rights does he/she have?

Just will not work.     Two people  with rights to one thing.    60+ years in the business  and I say it does not work

Aug 18 11 01:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gary Melton
Posts: 6,382
Dallas, Texas, US


RSM-images wrote:
....Contrary to popular belief, a "Model Release" is legally issued by the model and indicated *how* the images of that model may be used.  That is why it is called a "Model Release" because the model is releasing parametric image utilization....

'Sorry, but you are mistaken.  A "release of liability" - which is what a model release is - is ALWAYS issued by, and is for the benefit of the person wishing to be released from liability.

For example - if you were to go to an amusement park and a ride was so dangerous that you had to sign a "release of liability form" saying you wouldn't sue the amusement park if you got hurt on it - the "release" would be for the sole benefit of the amusement part, not for you in any way. They would set the wording on the release and they would not allow you to ride the ride if you didn't sign it.

In the case of a model release - the photographer is the one asking to be released from liability for his commericial use of the photos he takes of the model.  This is why the MODEL signs it - in fact, it does not need the photographer's signature at all for it to accomplish its purpose should it actually be needed in a court of law as evidence that the model did in fact release the photographer from liability.

To a large degree, when a photographer pays a model, what he is paying for is her signature on the release...as the photos he takes are of no commercial value to him without her signature.  This is why I, and most photographers, do not pay a model until they have signed the model release (in fact, I would not pay a model...nor would most photographers, if the model refused to sign the release that she agreed to sign when the shoot was arranged).

If the model does NOT sign the release, the photographer has absolutely no rights to use the photos commercially, which would ultimately be to the model's benefit (it certainly would not benefit the photographer for her to not sign).  Her signing the release is SOLELY for the benefit of photographer...and her asking for anything that restricts his usage, and/or increases her benefits...reduces his benefits.)

=========================================

This all brings me to the reality of what should be considered in the case of the model asking for restrictions to the model release, and/or for usage rights:

Standard rates are generally predicated on a full commercial release, ie: if the standard market rates for nudes in a given area is $75/hour, that would be the rate for a photoshoot where the model signs a full release for the photos, meaning the photographer can use them for virtually anything he wants to.  Asking for restrictions to the release, and/or for usage rights reduces the value of the shoot to the photographer - any experienced professional photographer will expect (likely demand) that the rate paid be lowered in exchange for the concessions. (Most photographers would not expect a rate reduction for minor changes to the release, eg: adding that her real name cannot be used with the publication of any of the photos.)

As many have said (and I agree) - a photographer and model can negotiate and agree to whatever they want...but models should understand that most photographers WILL expect a rate reduction on your part if you wish to restrict your release and/or ask for usage rights (or they may not hire you if the restrictions would keep them from making money from the photos).

Aug 18 11 01:44 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura Fillisch
Posts: 338
Hobart, Tasmania, Australia


I think it's a little far fetched. Maybe 'Here's a release that outlines what I would like from this. What would you change to make it suit you?' to be open to discussion!
Aug 18 11 02:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
hbutz New York
Posts: 3,182
Ronkonkoma, New York, US


I had one model insist on using her own release.  I canceled the shoot.  My releases are written by my business lawyer; and, for good reason.
Aug 18 11 04:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Matt Schmidt
Posts: 3,680
Greensboro, North Carolina, US


Laura Fillisch wrote:
I think it's a little far fetched. Maybe 'Here's a release that outlines what I would like from this. What would you change to make it suit you?' to be open to discussion!

My lawyer will want $150/hr to look this over.  Please make that check out to:   Mr. Ben Dover . . .

Aug 18 11 04:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Wolfstar Studio
Posts: 861
Cross Roads, Texas, US


Photographers getting offended by a model presenting/providing a Model Release simply do not understand what a Model Release happens to be.

No, we just know that if we don't use our own release we're asking for trouble later on when the model gets a wild hair up her butt.

A "Usage Agreement" is legally issued by a photographer and indicates *where* the images of the respective model will be used.

No, not entirely. A usage agreement can also dictate HOW the images are used and can give the photographer the right to pull that usage if the photos are used in ways he doesn't approve of. For instance, I photographer leased out and image that was later used to promote a political point he didn't agree with. He pulled the rights to the image and threatened to sue. The leases pulled the image. This happens with celebs. Heck, Abercrombe and Fitch are going after Jersey Shore for wearing their stuff because the people on the shore are douchebags that A&F doesn't want to be associated with them. This is technically a trademark thing, but the same basic rules apply.

All involved parties (including MUA, etc.) should sign and date each agreement and all involved parties should get original copies (signed and dated) of each agreement.

LOL... it is physically impossible for EVERYONE to have an "original copy" (which is a contradiction in terms anyway). The photographer keeps the original and gives copies to everyone else.

It does not matter who originates either of the agreements, above.

If you want to open yourself up to future problems, sure.

Any party not in agreement with any term or condition is allowed to line through such offending verbiage and all parties must initial any such deletions.

More terms and conditions can be added to any agreement and all parties must initial all such additions.

.

Or you negotiate it ahead of time and print a clean copy; but honestly, a proper standard release is the way to go.

Aug 18 11 05:06 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Wolfstar Studio
Posts: 861
Cross Roads, Texas, US


Gary Melton wrote:
This is why I, and most photographers, do not pay a model until they have signed the model release (in fact, I would not pay a model...nor would most photographers, if the model refused to sign the release that she agreed to sign when the shoot was arranged).

I'll do you one better. I don't even shoot the first frame until the release is signed.

As many have said (and I agree) - a photographer and model can negotiate and agree to whatever they want...but models should understand that most photographers WILL expect a rate reduction on your part if you wish to restrict your release and/or ask for usage rights (or they may not hire you if the restrictions would keep them from making money from the photos).

If she wants usage other than for self-promotion I'm charging her for it. Likely, it will mean she ends up paying me to shoot her. This is something else models don't consider. We charge for usage depending on how the photos are used and for how long. The usage fees alone are likely enough to offset her modeling fees.

Aug 18 11 05:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
StudioLumina
Posts: 251
Morganton, North Carolina, US


Stephanie Castro wrote:
Is it werid, inappropriate or smart for a model to give a photographer a release form. My friend is making her own so she and the photographer both have the right to use the pics from the photo shoot however they want. Is she crazy? lol If a model can give out release forms how should it go? What should it say? What rights does he/she have?

I have my own and use it for TF shoots.  I won't sign anybody else's.  That being said, it's not a bad idea for a model to have one that he or she uses when the photographer doesn't have one.  It actually makes sense to me.

Aug 18 11 07:06 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
StudioLumina
Posts: 251
Morganton, North Carolina, US


Aug 18 11 07:06 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Illianna
Posts: 155
Niagara Falls, New York, US


Stephanie Castro wrote:
Is it werid, inappropriate or smart for a model to give a photographer a release form. My friend is making her own so she and the photographer both have the right to use the pics from the photo shoot however they want. Is she crazy? lol If a model can give out release forms how should it go? What should it say? What rights does he/she have?

If the photographer doesn't have a release (for whatever reason) I normally have a generic one that lays out that both parties have rights to the images. Just so later on they don't come back and request that I take things off my portfolio site or whatever. It keeps us both safe. But that's just my .2

Aug 18 11 07:15 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Loki Studio
Posts: 2,951
Royal Oak, Michigan, US


My release form was created by a real lawyer to provide me the correct legal protections for my business in my state.  Many other "releases" I see provided by private individuals are usually a haphazard collage of legal language compiled from the internet that is often legally invalid, ignorant of state contract laws, or not applicable to the situation in question.

I would never even consider a contract presented to me for a unpaid gig.  There is no reason I would create risk for my business without payment by a solid client.

-Scott
Aug 18 11 07:19 am  Link  Quote 
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Photographer
GPS Studio Services
Posts: 35,516
San Francisco, California, US


Stephen Markman wrote:
Was it REALLY necessary to bump this thread?

I didn't realize it was an old thread until I read the first page and saw people who haven't even been ON THE SITE in over 2 years! 

SMH

I have been wondering the same thing.  This old thread has been bumped twice.  I guess it is a topic that will not die!

Aug 18 11 07:46 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 11,451
Oakland Acres, Iowa, US


There are several reasons I wouldn't accept a release presented by a model including:

1.  The more variations there are in releases, the harder it is to keep track of what images are released for what purpose.

2.  The release I use has been thought out, tested and used by many.   There's power in that that does not exist with something else.

3.  It may not be accepted by those I provide releases to.  I know mine is.

4.  Not having been reviewed, there may be legal problems, conflicts with usage rights, etc.   

Bottom line - why reinvent the wheel every time?  It makes much more sense to you a consistent, proven release.
Aug 18 11 07:48 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Keys88 Photo
Posts: 17,646
New York, New York, US


ei Total Productions wrote:

I have been wondering the same thing.  This old thread has been bumped twice.  I guess it is a topic that will not die!

It's also been re-started, in about 100000 different forms/variations in other threads since this thread was started.

I can't believe this one, of all threads, was selected for bumping.

I can't believe the Mods haven't locked it yet.

I can't believe how much misinformation is disseminated in these threads.

And, most importantly, I can't believe that someone in this thread, apparently, found (and trusts) an attorney who charges $150/hour!

Aug 18 11 08:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
bmiSTUDIO
Posts: 1,733
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Stephanie Castro wrote:
Is it werid, inappropriate or smart for a model to give a photographer a release form. My friend is making her own so she and the photographer both have the right to use the pics from the photo shoot however they want. Is she crazy? lol If a model can give out release forms how should it go? What should it say? What rights does he/she have?

A (model) release has nothing to do with the model's rights. She needs to create a usage agreement. It would need to spell out where and how she wants to use the images. I don't know any photographers who would sign anything that shares the copyright. They may allow a model to use the images for something other than promotional purposes (online portfolios, book portfolio, comp cards), but then they run the risk of the model making money by selling digital images, prints, posters, etc. Not sure if that is the kind of thing a photographer would give up, especially if the photographer pays the model for the shoot. It would have to be very carefully worded and I can't see a photographer spending time negotiating details. Probably would not fly with the vast majority of photographers she works with. Some photographers may be willing to amend their own usage agreements, but she shouldn't expect too many concessions.

Aug 18 11 08:29 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fred Greissing
Posts: 6,352
Los Angeles, California, US


Alexandra Maddison wrote:
... but I have a friend who found herself on a porn site with a penis aimed at her mouth and no legal recourse to get the picture taken down. Soooo. I had my lawyer draw up a contract that I occasionally use for TFP with photographers I don't know very well.

Your friend does have legal recourse. She just needs a good lawyer. Also she can demand significant damages.... unless she signed a release that included such alterations.

Aug 19 11 01:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
todas_las_caras
Posts: 699
San Francisco, California, US


I would expect Christie Brinkley to do that.
Aug 19 11 01:05 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jac Knight
Posts: 374
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Odd question should a model sign ancontract that states any
And all proceeds made of images are for the photog no amount given to you and if not how do you go about telling a
Photographer on the spot that you will not
Sign something that gives him the right to make
Profit off a tf shoot
Aug 19 11 01:10 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DBIphotography Toronto
Posts: 3,205
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


LinguaDentata wrote:
Yes, she's crazy.

A release is a "release of liability for use of one's likeness" Meaning you won't sue because your face is used somewhere.

A photographer can sign one, but since the model has no pictures of the photographer, it won't be of any use to her.

You're thinking of a contract, with joint copyright ownership. That won't happen either with any photographer who's been around the block, unless the model is paying.

+1

And the only reason "unless the model is paying" applies in Canada, is because that's our copyright laws. You'd be hard-pressed to even get that in America yikes  I used to try to use one when I was modeling myself, before I realized what I was saying or doing. I got a few harsh responses, but the photographers who DID sign my MR had one thing in common: they all sucked, and did as they chose anyways.

From what I understand, she wants to be able to re-edit the photographer's images as you please. Uhmm...GOOD LUCK on THAT one!!!!!!!!! Baaaahahahahaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IMHO alone, as always;

~Danny
http://dbiphotography.co.cc
http://www.modelmayhem.com/1983551

Aug 19 11 01:29 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Virtual Studio
Posts: 5,619
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Tizzy Photography wrote:
Actually.. it is not. She wants the rights.. she can buy them from the photographer.
-Tizzy

If it's a TFP hasn't she done exactly that - assuming the contract says so?

Issue here seems to e that what the model really wants is a "usage contract" - and she's using the phrase "model release" to describe that.

If it's TFP then BOTH parties should benefit - and if the benefit the model sees appropriate in return for her posing is full rights to use the photos then fair enough.

Aug 19 11 04:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Virtual Studio
Posts: 5,619
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


It's amazing that the photographers who bleat the loudest on here about models being "unprofessional" and "childish" are the ones who from their portfolios are pretty clearly amateurs themselves.

Hint: 90% of the photographers on here are NOT qualified to talk about "the industry" other than the knowledge they have got from reading these forums.

To the OP - you're friend can negotiate whatever she likes - and having a usage agreement that she thinks is fair (for TFP) is a good thing. For paid shoots it will be a lot tougher - but then she'd got the $$ to compensate her for her time.
Aug 19 11 04:03 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Virtual Studio
Posts: 5,619
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


duplicate post.
Aug 19 11 04:03 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 11,451
Oakland Acres, Iowa, US


Jac Knight wrote:
Odd question should a model sign ancontract that states any
And all proceeds made of images are for the photog no amount given to you and if not how do you go about telling a
Photographer on the spot that you will not
Sign something that gives him the right to make
Profit off a tf shoot

That depends on how much you value the images you are likely to get from that shoot vs. other opportunities you may have.

A really experienced model with a great portfolio probably has little reason to accept such an offer.  A newer model might find such an agreement a great way to get quality images she otherwise might not be able to get without paying.

Refusing to sign releases will decrease the shoots available to you.  Only you can decide how to trade that off against other options and your priorities.

Aug 19 11 07:23 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Isaiah Brink
Posts: 2,033
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


Stephanie Castro wrote:
Is it werid, inappropriate or smart for a model to give a photographer a release form. My friend is making her own so she and the photographer both have the right to use the pics from the photo shoot however they want. Is she crazy? lol If a model can give out release forms how should it go? What should it say? What rights does he/she have?

Honestly it isn't rude or crazy, a bit presumptuous but I have seen before. You don't go to a perspective land lord and dictate to them your terms for living on their land. You don't go to an employer and dictate the terms of your employment. You don't go to your cell ohms carrier and dictate your terms and conditions. The copyright ownership still is in the hands of te photographer. Myself, in my tfp/cd I do state in writing payment (ok lack there of) and include a usage license.

Aug 19 11 07:38 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Adella M
Posts: 1
Newaygo, Michigan, US


I understand that most photographer's are stating "No I will not sign, but you will sign mine" and that is fine with me.

My question/comment is :

I am not making a waiver, release, or anything like that. I am making a contract of conduct. (basically)

After spending all this time talking with photographers and setting up shoots, you should know the photographer well enough right? Well sometimes they can fool you, as some have done to myself and my friends. You go to the shoot that is supposed to be a "Prom dress shoot" and its all girls and guys half naked on a bed together. Blantantly lied to you basically.

I put together something that basically states that if I feel uncomfortable I leave. Period. The shoot will be over and all my pictures erased because of the way that my views/opinions were ignored. Most know the word "no" but some do not. I also put in there that my photos are not to be used on pornography websites and if they are I will be contacting them and my lawyer. This is just my security to make sure that if anything like that does happen I have a signed document that states that the photographer was not going to do that, when in fact he/she did.
Dec 06 12 02:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


As a model,
I have a release or more aptly titled, "publication authorization" form that everyone signs; photographer, stylist, designer, myself, ect...

I also sign any and all documents that a stylist or photographer may have as well.

Usually, my releases are simple, with the basics covered that anyone involved in the shoot may submit to publication and also use for their portfolio(s).

So far, there have been no complaints other than small revisions made, in pen, by the artist themselves.

I actually had three photographers ask me for a blank copy because they, too, wanted to start making a release/publication form for their work.

Just what I've come across though. Everyone is varied.
Dec 06 12 03:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPierce Photography
Posts: 19,672
Amherst, Massachusetts, US


Adella M wrote:
I understand that most photographer's are stating "No I will not sign, but you will sign mine" and that is fine with me.

My question/comment is :

I am not making a waiver, release, or anything like that. I am making a contract of conduct. (basically)

After spending all this time talking with photographers and setting up shoots, you should know the photographer well enough right? Well sometimes they can fool you, as some have done to myself and my friends. You go to the shoot that is supposed to be a "Prom dress shoot" and its all girls and guys half naked on a bed together. Blantantly lied to you basically.

I put together something that basically states that if I feel uncomfortable I leave. Period. The shoot will be over and all my pictures erased because of the way that my views/opinions were ignored. Most know the word "no" but some do not. I also put in there that my photos are not to be used on pornography websites and if they are I will be contacting them and my lawyer. This is just my security to make sure that if anything like that does happen I have a signed document that states that the photographer was not going to do that, when in fact he/she did.

If the photographers going to be that unprofessional (in the situation you described), then it doesn't matter what they sign- they're going to do whatever they want to do. If you walk into that situation, LEAVE IMMEDIATELY! You don't have to have a contract for that. Also: How in the world are you finding these bookings where people are in bed together ? Are you guys answering nude/porn castings, or...? Contacting on MM? Craigslist? There are shitty people in every industry, photographers included. Are you checking references? Doing research- what do the photographers portfolios look like? Due diligence?

and views/opinions being ignored vary. What are you giving your views and opinions on? The photographer and you should be working together, so talk it out.

Also, you do realize that most times, photographers don't submit things to porn sites unless they ask ahead of time. however, random people will come and steal your photos, and put them up on sites without either if you knowing. If you are concerned with those types of photos getting out and on the internet, it probably isn't a genre you want to pursue.

just sayin!

Also, OLD THREAD!

Dec 06 12 03:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Nyctiphaes
Posts: 159
Athens, Attikí, Greece


Alexandra Maddison wrote:
I've done it. Never had any opposition in situations where I felt it needed, but my release is a bit different. It limits what the photographer may use the images for, ruling out use that would be deemed "explicit", or editing that would make the images explicit. Now, before anyone says it, I know that is a bit paranoid... but I have a friend who found herself on a porn site with a penis aimed at her mouth and no legal recourse to get the picture taken down. Soooo. I had my lawyer draw up a contract that I occasionally use for TFP with photographers I don't know very well.

This is why its is nice to include a field "Shoot description" in any release you sign and fill it accordingly and specifically. So you can avoid situations like that. If in my release the model writes topless portraits, or partial nudity, should i use those images to create pornographic content later on in post production, I am quite sure any judge would see that this is not what the model has agreed to.

Dec 06 12 08:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Broughton
Posts: 2,220
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


march 2008... i'm starting to think threads should be locked if they're inactive for a certain amount of time so people have to start a new thread if they want to discuss a subject rather than resurrecting an old thread and triggering a bunch of new replies to an op who's long gone.
Dec 06 12 11:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dan K Photography
Posts: 5,409
STATEN ISLAND, New York, US


Isaiah Brink wrote:
Honestly it isn't rude or crazy, a bit presumptuous but I have seen before. You don't go to a perspective land lord and dictate to them your terms for living on their land. You don't go to an employer and dictate the terms of your employment. You don't go to your cell ohms carrier and dictate your terms and conditions. The copyright ownership still is in the hands of te photographer. Myself, in my tfp/cd I do state in writing payment (ok lack there of) and include a usage license.

In a tf shoot the Photographer is not the employer both model and tog are at an equal footing. You both trade usage rights. You allow her to use your copyrighted image and she allows you use of her image.

Not that photographers stop from being presumptuous as you put it. Most presume to dictate the terms and expecting there forms to be signed when they are hired by someone. Even expecting copyright to be given over in countries where the tog does not get automatic copyright.

In the end most photographers just want everything in there favor.

Dec 06 12 11:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rik Williams
Posts: 3,378
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


pretty pleads wrote:
thats fair trade

No

Dec 06 12 11:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
JoJo
Contest Queen
Posts: 25,051
Clearwater, Florida, US


Moderator Note!
Did anyone notice the date of the OP's post?

Mar 19 08 08:55 pm

Please do not resurrect old threads.
Dec 07 12 12:29 am  Link  Quote 
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