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What's with the goth look?
Am I out of the loop? When I was shooting a bunch of models for agencies (mid 90s) they weren't really interested in that niche'. It seems that it is everywhere on here- (some cool stuff I might add though not my bag) What's up with that? Is the goth thing opening doors to actual work? I think I'm old. Aug 11 08 12:43 am Link You'll get a much better answer by posting in General Industry or maybe in Model Matters. Aug 11 08 12:47 am Link I don't think the goth look opens doors to agency modeling or even regular modling gigs- but because alternative modeling is becoming more widespread that look is seen more than before. Goth goes back pretty far, but it only recently that the idea of "alternative" modeling is even feasible. Yay! For opening minds! Aug 11 08 12:51 am Link Kids that grew up with the Addams Family movies.... Cute spooky is more hip than cheerleader. Aug 11 08 12:53 am Link its not a look...its a way of living. and there is even more. it has its ways in the industry but not mainstream ofcourse. Aug 11 08 01:04 am Link I'm thinking the "goth" look you are referring to might be what is commonly known as "alt modeling" on this site. A genre that emphasizes body modifications such as tattoos and piercings, unnaturally colored hair, typically pale skin, it generally has a darker, grittier sensibility. Fetish inspired clothing & accessories (gas masks, latex, corsets) are often utilizied. Suicide Girls was one of the first sites to capitalize on this niche (back before it went to crap), and now you see it on Godsgirls, deviantnation, gothic beauty, etc. If this is the look you're thinking of, then yes, it's a thriving market, and it does open doors to some paying gigs, most of which involve some degree of nudity. Aug 11 08 01:22 am Link Slowly but surely, that goth look is spreading and being accepted with a lot more confort... change is always good. Aug 11 08 01:41 am Link beauty is in the eye of the beholder....  Aug 11 08 01:41 am Link I fucking laugh at goths who are older than 18. I mean here I thought people dressed that way to piss off their parents. To see adults doing it because they believe it looks good.. oh how I die laughing  .Aug 11 08 01:43 am Link Orixx wrote: I wonder the same about the GI Jane look if its not because of a health problem. Aug 11 08 01:47 am Link Orixx wrote: Hmmm... I think Sousxie Sue looks pretty damn good. Aug 11 08 01:56 am Link Fashion is fashion, hippie one decade, punk another, then goth, who knows what will come up next? Aug 11 08 02:00 am Link Orixx wrote: AND WHOEVER SAID GOTHS DRESSED THAT WAY ONLY TO PISS OFF THEIR PARENTS??? Aug 11 08 02:00 am Link Image Extreme wrote: relax...she's probably intoxicated or high...she knows better since I see her around all the time. Aug 11 08 02:05 am Link Orixx wrote:
Aug 11 08 02:10 am Link Great Outdoors Studio wrote: This site is somewhat geared towards non-agency models. Some of us are goths, and some goths mistakenly believe that their lifestyle must be everything that they shoot. There really isn't enough of a market for anyone to be strictly a goth market, but bless their black little hearts for trying. Aug 11 08 02:12 am Link Sweet LillyBee wrote: exactly.. because you see more goth models definitely doesn't mean they are working with agencies! most are on suicide girls or doing online work.. nothing wrong with it but it isn't high end agency work. Aug 11 08 02:15 am Link Great Outdoors Studio wrote: Goth is a dead crow on the bathroom floor of fashion. Aug 11 08 02:16 am Link Sweet LillyBee wrote: Yes, Sousxie...nom nom nom... Aug 11 08 02:18 am Link Orixx wrote: i laugh at people who think you're so high & mighty that you may laugh at things you don't understand or agree with. Aug 11 08 02:18 am Link Orixx wrote: Some adult goths were actually there in the 80's when it wasn't "called" goth or ruled by Hot Topic. Aug 11 08 02:19 am Link I always thought Orixx was a cool model...what a TROLL :S Aug 11 08 02:21 am Link Miss Anna Evans wrote: What? No? Awwwweeee....but I ⥠whores... Aug 11 08 02:22 am Link Vault wrote: Or she could be a cool model who happens to not like the goth thing, I'm not too fond of the hippie thing myself Aug 11 08 02:25 am Link If agencies are interested in it. . . it's on it's way out :0) Aug 11 08 02:26 am Link Collin J. Rae wrote: you dont have to like anything at all...but you dont post like she did above disrespecting others who does. Aug 11 08 02:27 am Link Emo children are interesting subjects. Aug 11 08 02:28 am Link Vault wrote: Tis a public forum of free flowing thoughts and opinions the OP did not specify a "love fest". Aug 11 08 02:30 am Link pretty in punk wrote: I'm laughing WITH you, pretty in punk... the nerve of some people...Thank you God for making out of me a very-opened-always-willing-to-try-something-new-free-spirited-curious-mind. Aug 11 08 02:36 am Link Hmmm...a 'love fest'? sounds like fun! Aug 11 08 02:37 am Link mikell wrote: goth was in? Aug 11 08 02:39 am Link awjeeznotthiisshitagain.jpg Sorry. We ancient goths get lazier and more bitter as we go along. Aug 11 08 02:40 am Link That rather depends on what you mean by gothic. Seems to me yes there are a lot of girls, some with low ego, who usw it as a mask to present themselves. A kind of ready-to-wear image they can hide behind; and perhaps an expresion of disatisfaction with cheerleader culture they can't live up to. A kind of aniti-barbie movement rather than an anti christ movement lol. hoever in Europe it is rather darker, deeper, and has great significance a a cultural movement for the best part of a thousand years; longer if you count the original marauding tribes that destroyed the Roman Empire. You see the idea is symbolic. In darkness there is light; and in light there is darkness. Rome was bright and civilised, but morally corrupt. There was something more honest in dark savagery. This idea manifested in the medieval period with gargoyles and amazing dark churches with light flooding in. Essentially it about dark and light; real and metaphorcal. Then came the classical renaissance, then back to Gothic, then back to neo classicism, then back to victorian Gothic romanticism . Great cultural movements that made fantatsic architecture, art and literature. In prague we see many conflicting architectural styles in the same building as it fell to different rulers. The great poets Shelley and Byron; Mary Shelley and her Fankenstein monster; the ultimate expression of good in bad(monster) and bad in enlightenment (science and the small town menality of the mob). Hard to think that in ths period amng the intellctuals cancer was seen as desirable. Those who didn't have consumption craved the look of it. The Hellfire club raised havoc by returning paganism and debauchery. De sade and later von sacher masoch explored dark sexual themes. But there was also light in many of these dark works. Think of yin-yan. The US has had gothic influences in its culture too...Washington Irving, Poe, Earnest hemingay...and even hollyood actresses of the twenties were dark in image and lifestyle. Film Noir is essentially gothic; style and content symbolism wise. And so, in Europe the gothic revival has rather more deeper cultural meaning. Its not about just a look. Not about the trenchcoat mafia or some "model" with daft hair. There is afoot in Europe a New Traditionalism: we seek something in our past because our present is so shallow. There is a Neo Classic movement which has blurred the lines with the Gothic spirit too. This is about a lot more than image. maybe I can illustrate something of this feeling by quoting the great Irish Gothic Poet W.B. Yeats: AT GALWAY RACES by: W. B. Yeats (1865-1939) HERE where the course is, Delight makes all of the one mind, The riders upon the galloping horses, The crowd that closes in behind: We, too, had good attendance once, Hearers and hearteners of the work; Aye, horsemen for companions, Before the merchant and the clerk Breathed on the world with timid breath. Sing on: somewhere at some new moon, We'll learn that sleeping is not death, Hearing the whole earth change its tune, Its flesh being wild, and it again Crying aloud as the racecourse is, And we find hearteners among men That ride upon horses. "Before the merchant and the clerk breathed on the world with timid breath". It is as an alliance of upper class and working class neo feudal allegiance to fight what doesn't belong here: petit burgeois morality; puritanism, corporate mediocrity, health fascism, etc. Ah... another gothic horse quote; this time from Kipling: "The Colonelâs son has taken a horse, and a raw rough dun was he, With the mouth of a bell and the heart of Hell and the head of a gallows tree" We search our roots for a more earthy time and our heritage. And look in dark places to rediscover our spirit; maybe we too can ride then across the plains of civilsation and burn it to the ground as the original Goths. Hah! What is a Goth without a horse? A fraud. "In the full Foam of Wrath and Dread to me the Desert born was led..." (Byron's Mazzeppa) Want a real american goth try Clint Eastwood in High Plains Drifter. I think that is a little different from what you are talking about but essentially it is the real gothic spirit that has inspied me to create a fashion collecton and the art concept behind it. Take a look you may find something here which help you understand what I mean: www.ponygurlcouture.co.uk/index.html For us, gothic is not a fashion mask to hide behind but a movement which liberates us; empowers us; frees us from a morality of hypocrisy and control and mediocrity of aspiration; and makes our blood pump; its a dark romance. "I always flirt with death...I look ill but I don't care about it" (The Only Ones) That only means something if you are prepared to stand live and die like the matador in a hemingway novel. whoops sorry to go on.....its my pet subject  Aug 11 08 02:42 am Link Manzin wrote: Hey cutie. Aug 11 08 02:42 am Link Collin J. Rae wrote: exactly...thats how all the riots start. Aug 11 08 02:43 am Link PonyGurlCouture wrote: Dude, no one's going to read that. It's way too fucking long, edit it to the most relevant information. Aug 11 08 02:44 am Link its for goths we like reading Aug 11 08 02:48 am Link What is this "goth" thing you speak of? Can't people just be chameleons and be able to work multiple sides without being classified? Aug 11 08 02:48 am Link PonyGurlCouture wrote: I was going to say, I already read it. lol Aug 11 08 02:53 am Link PonyGurlCouture wrote: Yes, we do...but mainly books and poetry, not random TLDR posts about shit we already know. When you're writing about goth, you're typically writing to educate nongoths. Aug 11 08 02:55 am Link |
