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New Dawn Photography
Posts: 3015
San Ramon, California, US
MelissaLynnette LaDiva wrote:
I disagree.
I don't think it's as dire as some make it out to be, but the average person still thinks Playboy is real porn and that right there is telling. Well, we'll agree to disagree then. In fact, I'd say most people here use playboy as something to campare what may be considered pornography too. As in, "If it's tastefully done, like in Playboy, it's fine."
Photographer
Image K
Posts: 23400
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Miss Santos wrote:
Wow I have a headache. Thank u everyone for your input negative and positive. I have gathered enough information that I need to ease my mind. You're not the only one with a headache around here, honey...
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MsB
Posts: 2603
New York, New York, US
Image K wrote:
Unless you girls make it to the "Hally-Berry-20-million-dollars-per-movie-level", what are the REAL chances these pictures are gonna bite you in the ass? This is true...
Model
K_G
Posts: 2930
Detroit, Michigan, US
MelissaLynnette LaDiva wrote:
And so it begins. Never takes long, does it??? Wow, LOL.
Model
N i c o l e- Alter Ego
Posts: 4857
Miami Beach, Florida, US
Image K wrote:
Unless you girls make it to the "Hally-Berry-20-million-dollars-per-movie-level", what are the REAL chances these pictures are gonna bite you in the ass? if i agree with this, would that be considered negative input in this thread?
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Urban Grace Ms Santos
Posts: 89
Atlanta, Georgia, US
trashy t modelography wrote:
6 of the 19 pictures in your page are nude (implied or otherwise), and all show your face. that is why everyone here is confused.
if the photographer got more than you originally agreed upon, ask him to not to use those images. end of story. Yep
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Kymberly Jane
Posts: 2251
Los Angeles, California, US
N i c o l e- Alter Ego wrote:
if i agree with this, would that be considered negative input in this thread? who knows these days~
Model
Natalie_G
Posts: 501
Los Angeles, California, US
Model
K_G
Posts: 2930
Detroit, Michigan, US
Miss Santos wrote:
Wow I have a headache. Thank u everyone for your input negative and positive. I have gathered enough information that I need to ease my mind. Don't ask the question if you don't want the responses....
Model
Kymberly Jane
Posts: 2251
Los Angeles, California, US
Common Sense... she will get it sooner rather than later in this Mayhem~
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Patrick Shipstad
Posts: 4630
Burbank, California, US
Besides losing her the Miss America crown.. all those full nude/lesbian shots that Vanessa Williams did in her early modeling career, did absolutely nothing to stop her acting career. By bringing it up here, just gives it more power. We probably would have never known about the shots, but you brought it to everyone's attention. The photographer is probably a nobody and the shots will just fall into the sea of the zillion other nude shots out there. Learn from this then don't do it again if you don't want to. If it comes up later when you're a big star.. just own it and it'll get glossed over and everyone will forget about it. Hell, Demi Moore did tons of full nude shots early in her career.. she doesn't seem to be hurting from it.
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Jonathan Hale
Posts: 244
New York, New York, US
Forbidden-Fruit wrote:
wow I have a similar situation.
I know exactly how you feel!
Im almost scared to even go after my dream. I m scared that if i make it that all the nude shots will destroy me. Please give an example of one actress or actor who's career has been ruined by nude photos.
The only example I can think of would be an extreme case like Rob Lowe who's career got put on hold, but even he made a comeback. This country loves a good scandal (even when there is none) :-/ it would only make you more recognized.
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N i c o l e- Alter Ego
Posts: 4857
Miami Beach, Florida, US
Natalia_Marie wrote:
Oh snap!!! Never saw that one. that's (one of) the infamous images that got her crown taken away. she too claimed they were "not that bad".
actually, the pic isn't that bad. but it takes a lot to shock me....
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Rick Dupuis Photography
Posts: 6825
Truro, Nova Scotia, Canada
Image K wrote:
Unless you girls make it to the "Hally-Berry-20-million-dollars-per-movie-level", what are the REAL chances these pictures are gonna bite you in the ass? Halle Berry showed a little bit in Swordfish. Course by then she wsn't a starving actress so nudity can't bite her on the butt can it?
Photographer
WIP
Posts: 15973
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom
now we all want to see the op's open legg pic's just to get this forum on track.
Model
Miss Anna Evans
Posts: 40233
Astoria, New York, US
Miss Santos wrote:
Obviously I am not concerned with the photos already posted in my port if I was they wouldn't be there. I don't care if people thought badly of those in the future. My issue is pictures of my full body with my face and my frontal privates exposed COMPLETELY when I was told my face wouldn't be in them. Trust me, licking someone else's tits is seen as dirtier than art nudes by the average American.
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WillSpringfield
Posts: 3231
Los Angeles, California, US
N i c o l e- Alter Ego wrote:
if i agree with this, would that be considered negative input in this thread? ummmm if you agree to that its quite time for you to BARE it all and stop playing! 
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Jonathan Hale
Posts: 244
New York, New York, US
Kymberly Jane wrote:
you girls are in the WRONG buisness.. Even SUPER HIGH FASHION people.. will have you shoot nude.. the LINE between art and porn is SOOO blurry..it isnt even a Grey area anymore~ this is true, at the end of the day most models are nude and shooting 'art', it's part of fashion and not considered a big deal except online for some reason.
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Emocean Photography
Posts: 173
Bangkok, Bangkok, Thailand
Whenever you shoot nudes, covered, implied or otherwise make sure what you are agreeing to is specifically stated in the terms of the release.
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Zenestra Photography
Posts: 213
Los Angeles, California, US
Kymberly Jane wrote:
.....Artistic nude is Wrong to you.....But you are doing the Squat Porn pose in your Avitar?..... no fashion.. alll lusty implied shots.. My personal Opinion.... you got a better shot making More money NUDE modeling..rather then a Struggling actress..
oh..and Im not even gonna Mention the Lick the Honey off a Titty shot~.... PORN....NOT ART... i for one..should be able to tell the difference.. AS I DO BOTH. I agree with Kymberly Jane. The vibe your port gives off is not an artistic one, but a pornographic one.
Without a signed release the photographer can not publish or sell the images.
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N i c o l e- Alter Ego
Posts: 4857
Miami Beach, Florida, US
Miss Anna Evans wrote:
Trust me, licking someone else's tits is seen as dirtier than art nudes by the average American. yeah....... umm, i don't know how i fell about the op's thread. maybe if i clicked on her port and it was all vanilla and super commercial, maybe i would have more sympathy. but i really don't see much of a big jump from the pics she has in her port to a full nude. and regardless if you can "barely see anything" in that one pic, weren't you nude anyway? photoshopping on flowers only censored the nudity....
idk.........
::shrugs::
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pullins photography
Posts: 5884
Troy, Michigan, US
Kristin IndustrialG wrote:
Don't ask the question if you don't want the responses.... amen...
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Engel Schrei
Posts: 14458
Indianapolis, Indiana, US
Miss Anna Evans wrote:
Trust me, licking someone else's tits is seen as dirtier than art nudes by the average American. But we wouldn't know about that would we? Anna and I would never do anything so crass and dirty...
https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pid=4837745 18+
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Sophistocles
Posts: 21320
Seattle, Washington, US
Zenestra Photography wrote:
Without a signed release the photographer can not publish or sell the images. Wrong. Please delete your Model Mayhem account now.
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Don Garrett
Posts: 4984
Escondido, California, US
Ryan Burleson wrote:
Just tell the photog what you have posted here, I would never want to offend a model with publishing photos like this they did not want. See if he can edit them, hopefully this works out. I like this advice. I may be naive, but I believe that most people are not really mean, and would cooperate to make you comfortable with the results by not making public "certain ones". On the other point, I don't really think a few nude pictures will affect your future at all. If you can't fix the problem, by talking to the photographer, just carry on, I'm sure everything will be OK !
-Don
Model
N i c o l e- Alter Ego
Posts: 4857
Miami Beach, Florida, US
WillSpringfield wrote:
ummmm if you agree to that its quite time for you to BARE it all and stop playing! ummm, didn't we agree to this off line mister?
::goes back to saving up munnies for nekkit pics::
edit: actually, it was your speech that got me to stop thinking like that in the first place
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Gary Blanchette
Posts: 5137
Irvine, California, US
Isn't this one of those - once the clothes come off, hope for the best but expect the worst - situations? Did you tell the photographer your plans on becoming a famous actress? He may have had plans for these images from that moment on.
***I didn't read through the pages of this thread, so if my thoughts were already brought up... Sorry...
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No One of Consequence
Posts: 2980
Winchester, Virginia, US
Patrick Shipstad wrote:
Besides losing her the Miss America crown.. all those full nude/lesbian shots that Vanessa Williams did in her early modeling career, did absolutely nothing to stop her acting career I would go further and say that they MADE her acting career.
Quick, name 3 other Miss America winners who have a successful acting career or name recognition anywhere close to Vanessa Williams'.
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J Cloud
Posts: 567
Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US
Sophistocles wrote:
Wrong. Please delete your Model Mayhem account now. LMAO
Photographer
No One of Consequence
Posts: 2980
Winchester, Virginia, US
Sophistocles wrote:
Wrong. Please delete your Model Mayhem account now. if only it was that easy...
Photographer
MC Nudes
Posts: 116
New York, New York, US
Miss Santos wrote:
Last week for the first time I took nude photographs. The shoot was supposed to be implied but the photographer kept telling me he had to have body shots for his port since he had none and that my identity and face would remain anonymous. We took many artistic and commercial shots in black and white with white sheets. We did several poses and when I got my pictures back there were many were u could see everything genitals and all WITH my face exposed. I know at the time I let him take the photographs but NEVER did I intend on taking full nude pictures, probably my whole career. I plan on going into acting and if I ever make a name for myself I don't want these pictures to come back after me. I regret taking any full nudes. The other ones were cool now I'm uncomfortable and uneasy that there are nude pictures of me out there. What can I do? Yeah yeah I know I agreed at the time but I regret it now and I don't feel right. Is there anything I can do to protect my privacy? Uh oh, the thread's getting nasty.
First off, I think it the long run you'll be fine. Remind the photographer about the agreement and ask him politely if he woulnd't mind avoiding any use of the shots with your face in it.
If you read the forums, you'll see that there are a lot of dumb ass photographers who will get totally distracted by the way a model asks for something as opposed to what they're asking. And then they get all stubborn about not taking down photos because they don't have to and treat the shots as if they're these one of a kind pieces of art that are their sole bread and butter, keeping them alive and feeding their families.
The mistake that you made was not taking responsibility for yourself during the shoot in the form of protecting yourself. Certainly you know that if you can see the lens, it can see your face. I can think of three different shoots I've done where the was supposed to be no nudity. We shot with an unbuttoned shirt and all had nipple slips. All three paid attention however and wen necessary we figured out ways to stop them from repeating or set up each shot an made sure everything was in place.
They didn't just sit there passively and let me shoot whatever I wanted regardless of what they were comfortable with.
Here's a little twist you might find interesting. One had asked for some topless implied and before the nipple slips I'm referring to above, asked me to shoot three topless shots, just so she could see how she looked.
That makes several points. One is that it's ok to have varying standards within a shoot. It also demonstrates the power, benefits and need for good clear communication.
Regret always sucks. In fact, I think that's one of the key components of PTSD. The best way to proceed is to explain that you are feeling some regret at certain shots (it sounds like the issues are only with some of them) and ask him if you two can come up with an agreement not to use them. As he sounds a little GWCish, he's probably not likely to be publishing them anyway.
I think the idea of buying them back or at least the ones in question is a good one.
If you've learned your lesson properly, you could even shoot with him again and be really strict about keeping your face out. In other words do another shoot as a trade to create the images that you are comfortable with as a trade for the ones you're not. Unless you think that the same thing is going to happen again (which is on you now that you've had the cance to learn) this does get everyone what they want for no money.
Photographer
WIP
Posts: 15973
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom
I'm finding the op's posting full of contradictions.
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Engel Schrei
Posts: 14458
Indianapolis, Indiana, US
Mickle Design Werks wrote:
Oh yes! an oldie but goodie.
This was pre-internet y'all so we had to make due with the hard copy in Penthouse. Rodney took nekkid photos of me ... but I liked it 
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WillSpringfield
Posts: 3231
Los Angeles, California, US
my sentiment is.. GET NEKKIT... BE HAPPY ::to the tune of "don't worry, be happy"::
and i dont know how many times i have to say actors and actresses are butt naked all the time in movies, on peoples yachts getting pix snapped by the paps. in photos, in public, in brazil and st tropez(my next destination).
my dick is in photos... somewhere... i'm sure i will be fine. i am a little further along in the game than you as an actor and model... it hasnt bitten me in my ass... and nude women arent as taboo as a commercial male model with his DICK in photos
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HGL
Posts: 2
âThe portrait of a person can not be displayed, reproduced or launched at the trade without her consents (the article depends of the Constitution of each Country).â
Thatâs mean that: the pictures, however, can not be reproduced, displayed or launched in trade, is the fact lead to injury honour, reputation or simple dignity of the person portrayed.
The current laws, specifies that everyone has the right to preserve their image and privacy. We can say that there is not any situation in which someone can take a photograph of another person in which it appears clearly recognizable and then publish it without their consent, without incurring a violation. Similarly, every photographer has the property of their authorship of photographs from the moment they are made, and in legal terms they can not be reproduced in any manner without their consent.
The signing of an agreement of sale of image rights not only protects the model, but at the same photographer: A model can take legal action against a photographer who has published his photograph without his permission, but in the same way a photographer can take action legal proceedings against the model if it had published the photographs in any way he did without his permission.
I donât know what kind of the assignment you have done with the photographer, but the next time, if you will take nude photos try to make the assignment after the photo session, is normal that when you are taking nude picture will be one ore two of them where everything is exposed, so you could ask him to note use them.
I do not know how it works in USA, but I think that if you talk with the photographer everything will be ok.
Anyway, I think that you shouldnât worry much about that, all models and actors have done nudes. That was a job you have done, and you must be proud and happy.
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New Dawn Photography
Posts: 3015
San Ramon, California, US
BareJournal wrote:
I would go further and say that they MADE her acting career.
Quick, name 3 other Miss America winners who have a successful acting career or name recognition anywhere close to Vanessa Williams'. Quite true. In fact it helped make her acting and singing career.
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Doug Lester
Posts: 10591
Atlanta, Georgia, US
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MMDesign
Posts: 18647
Louisville, Kentucky, US
New Dawn Photography wrote:
Quite true. In fact it helped make her acting and singing career. I know I sing much better after doing what she was doing.
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