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Photographer
TJ Day
Posts: 1,804
Murray, Kentucky, US


Rozetta Marie wrote:
And then when you play them, they go after your close personal friends... but little do they know your close personal friends are even crazier than you. LOL

OK... just had to get that off my chest.

thanks for listening.

I think you are getting hit on because of your obvious lack of professionalism. 

How does the photographer know your "Close personal friends"?
Why are you bringing all your crazy close personal friends to a photoshoot?
Why are you being a "player" instead of being a model?

Feb 02 09 08:34 am  Link  Quote 
Model
You didnt care then
Posts: 1,206
Los Angeles, California, US


Morgan Kennedy wrote:

take out his name, luv..... this is considered outing and the thread will be locked.

oh man theres to many posts i just got this..ok they can contact me for that LOL,  dont worry though this isnt saying all photogrpahers its just bad ones ruin it yah know. tongue

Feb 02 09 08:35 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rozetta Marie
Posts: 79


Brooks Ayola wrote:
I'm still confused about the "my designer" part. Is that a plastic surgeon? :-)

"my designer"
I work with someone who provides wardrobe for just about every job I get whether I'm singing on stage or modeling...
What's so confusing about that?

Feb 02 09 08:40 am  Link  Quote 
Model
You didnt care then
Posts: 1,206
Los Angeles, California, US


ValerieMarie wrote:

Bad choice to try and assault a girl who fights. Too funny.

As for the thread topic. THIS IS WHY YOU CHECK REFERENCES!

yah i do, it was the first and last of that situation i tell you, im more stern now on shoots. but i am cool, im not mean for a fighter.

Feb 02 09 08:41 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rozetta Marie
Posts: 79


Terry Day wrote:

I think you are getting hit on because of your obvious lack of professionalism. 

How does the photographer know your "Close personal friends"?
Why are you bringing all your crazy close personal friends to a photoshoot?
Why are you being a "player" instead of being a model?

Why are you not reading and trying to place blame?
1. I don't bring my friends to shoots.
2. He doesn't even know we're tight like that. When I first worked with him he was good so I referred him to her. It wasn't until after the fact that he came on to me.
3. I'm very professional. Trust! But instead of you reading you're looking for something negative to say.

Don't respond if you don't read the entire thread... oh and out of all the things I want to say to you about your response, my "professionalism" won't allow me to.

Feb 02 09 08:43 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Iona Lynn
Posts: 11,176
Oakland, California, US


Rozetta Marie wrote:

"my designer"
I work with someone who provides wardrobe for just about every job I get whether I'm singing on stage or modeling...
What's so confusing about that?

That is not a designer that is a stylist.

A stylist dresses people a designer designs clothes for people.
A stylist pulls clothes from designers collections.

"My" implies ownership
VS
"I work with" implies a collaborative economic effort

What you are saying is you have a person that designs and creates clothes for every shoot and you have them on retainer and pay them enough income that you are their only client...

I think what you might mean is that you have a friend who dresses you up for shoots.

Feb 02 09 08:45 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
TJ Day
Posts: 1,804
Murray, Kentucky, US


Rozetta Marie wrote:

Why are you not reading and trying to place blame?
1. I don't bring my friends to shoots.
2. He doesn't even know we're tight like that. When I first worked with him he was good so I referred him to her. It wasn't until after the fact that he came on to me.
3. I'm very professional. Trust! But instead of you reading you're looking for something negative to say.

Don't respond if you don't read the entire thread... oh and out of all the things I want to say to you about your response, my "professionalism" won't allow me to.

hummmm.

Not placing blame.  You're just talking about playing a photographer when you should be getting dressed and going home.

He's not the only photographer that will use you, is he?  Why do you have to "play" him.  Send him packing with his Kodamatic and find someone else.

Feb 02 09 08:51 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rozetta Marie
Posts: 79


Iona Lynn wrote:

That is not a designer that is a stylist.

A stylist dresses people a designer designs clothes for people.
A stylist pulls clothes from designers collections.

"My" implies ownership
VS
"I work with" implies a collaborative economic effort

What you are saying is you have a person that designs and creates clothes for every shoot and you have them on retainer and pay them enough income that you are their only client...

I think what you might mean is that you have a friend who dresses you up for shoots.

ok... i hate literal people... but if you say so... I'll explain better this time...
1. yes... she's a friend
2. she designs, and sews garments for most of what I do. before I met her, she already had about 400 original pieces made. So, I loved her collection so much that when I would do an event she would provide the wardrobe for me. I've never paid her. But, I have an agreement with her to promote her line (non-exclusively) and help get her paid work. So far in the 5 years I've been doing this she's gotten a lot of paid jobs from people that saw her designs on my body and wanted to hire her for a job.
3. There's no ownership here. I just say "my" loosely. She's of course free to work with anyone she wants.

Is that clear enough?

Feb 02 09 08:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Another Italian Guy
Posts: 3,279
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Do photographers hit on models? Do male bosses hit on their secretaries? Do guys hit on girls in the street and the supermarket?

It's a part of life. Learn to deal with it or quit modelling.... and then quit being a female too.

Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
Feb 02 09 08:53 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Brooks Ayola
Posts: 9,724
Chatsworth, California, US


Rozetta Marie wrote:

"my designer"
I work with someone who provides wardrobe for just about every job I get whether I'm singing on stage or modeling...
What's so confusing about that?

First of all, I was making a joke. I know you were using the wrong terminology for wardrobe stylist. Well, unless this person is designing just for you and is on your payroll as a designer. I guess that's possible. Sorry.

Feb 02 09 08:53 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jason Haven
Posts: 38,283
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Ok, so it's horrible for a photographer to proposition a model.

But what if a model propositions a photographer?

I mean, I get that on a weekly basis.... I think I'm going to start making rant threads.
Feb 02 09 08:56 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
VisualRamblings
Posts: 1,951
Denver, Colorado, US


Iona Lynn wrote:

Nope, sorry love, I just got a lecture from two men that are friends of mine the drinks and dinner are just window dressing. Just ask upfront, be honest and let us say yes or no. tongue

I guess we now live in a world of absolutes and I guess your friends know the intentions of every person on earth. If they are so good at determining others intentions they should consult for the government.

Sometimes a cigar is just that, a cigar.

Feb 02 09 09:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
The Race Card
Posts: 267
Dallas, Texas, US


http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k295/jrace99/image003.jpg
Feb 02 09 09:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Manuel Rego
Posts: 1,954
Attleboro, Massachusetts, US


Janice Marie Foote wrote:
I'm more annoyed at photographers who contact me to shoot and want to chat beforehand.  When I say I don't chat but we can message here or in e-mail
and then I never hear from them again.  Personally I don't get the relation
of not wanting to chat equaling not wanting to shoot.
Rozetta Marie wrote:
Exactly. I totally agree. But that's just a red flag that they have other motives anyway.

I won't speak for other photographers; just for myself.  In this regard I usually ask to speak to a model before I work with them, especially if I have never worked with them before.  I do this to iron out shoot details and to set expectations on both sides before either of us step into the studio.

Over the years I've found that some models who aren't willing to at least make or accept a phone call to confirm or iron out details of a shoot *usually* aren't serious and flake the day of the shoot.  That's not always true, but in my case, out of 10 models I've booked without having talked to them on the phone prior, 8 of them have flaked.

Other red flags:

-  They insist on emails only.
-  They tlk n txt & u need a cypr rng 2 dcode wht thyr sayn.
-  They don't check up with references when you freely give them the references.
-  They make ridiculous demands, including bringing their sluggo boyfriend with them.
-  They don't bother reading profiles and think you're going to do only what they want.

I'm generalizing here, but in my experience this is usually true.  Thankfully they're in the minority though, and the number of great models on here outnumber the troublemakers.

As for your OP.  Just like how not all models are like how I described above, not all of us photographers are like what you described either.  Again, speaking only for myself here, I joke around a lot during a shoot but I never cross the line into the personal territory.  Hell, once I had a female client *literally* get pissed off at me for not taking her up on her advances too.  big_smile

Only suggestion I can give you is to check references.

Feb 02 09 09:13 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AUTONOMY
Posts: 3,674


ElsaLiimatainen wrote:
You can't bring an escort when you work with me but that's because I plan on raping you with a giant strap on...

Funny thing about that....

Feb 02 09 09:19 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fernon
Posts: 1,544
Annapolis, Maryland, US


Lora Weaver Photography wrote:
I've let the occasional photographer buy me dinner and drinks. I took it as payment for the shoot. I've even taken models out to get drunk afterwards. It's not always about trying to get into your pants. smile

lol...key word "always"

Feb 02 09 09:20 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
coach moon
Posts: 5,522
Pensacola, Florida, US


Rozetta Marie wrote:
What the hell? Why can't someone be able to do a sexy or even nude shoot without the phone call or text msg or email that comes after it... "I was looking at the pics from our shoot and your body is amazing... we should really hang out sometime... go get a drink... I'll even cook you dinner... you know just showing you my gratitude for such a great shoot..."

Oh yeah... and the ones that don't want you to bring an escort only because in the back of their minds they want to try their hand at getting you to sleep with them after or even during the shoot!

And then when you play them, they go after your close personal friends... but little do they know your close personal friends are even crazier than you. LOL

OK... just had to get that off my chest.

thanks for listening.

sorry you had a mildly intrusive experience but this is not the only reason people don't allow escorts. your vaginae, contrary to popular belief, are NOT made of gold & are not the holy grail for all men.

Feb 02 09 09:21 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SI Photography
Posts: 1,894
NORTH HOLLYWOOD, California, US


Rozetta Marie wrote:
What the hell? Why can't someone be able to do a sexy or even nude shoot without the phone call or text msg or email that comes after it... "I was looking at the pics from our shoot and your body is amazing... we should really hang out sometime... go get a drink... I'll even cook you dinner... you know just showing you my gratitude for such a great shoot..."

Oh yeah... and the ones that don't want you to bring an escort only because in the back of their minds they want to try their hand at getting you to sleep with them after or even during the shoot!

And then when you play them, they go after your close personal friends... but little do they know your close personal friends are even crazier than you. LOL

OK... just had to get that off my chest.

thanks for listening.

Feel happy you are loved.  ;-P  lol

Feb 02 09 09:22 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Matthew Terhune
Posts: 757
New York, New York, US


How does anyone have the time to read 3 pages. I'll never understand it.

Anyway. I have met a lot of photographers and a lot of models and had a lot of very brutally honest conversations.

My conclusion is that when you put enough men and women in a room together...professional or not. People will start fucking.

Anyone who says differently is selling something.

Men are as faithful as their options. The End.
Feb 02 09 09:29 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Studio-B
Posts: 1,239
Central, Alaska, US


Edit: Never mind.
Feb 02 09 09:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SME
Posts: 20,829
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US


I went out to dinner with a model on Saturday night.

I didn't try to grope her or anything.
Feb 02 09 09:45 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Somebody from Somewhere
Posts: 6,717
Chicago, Illinois, US


All I want to do with my life is sleep with photographers. It's why I got into nude modeling. borat
Feb 02 09 09:48 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Laura Ann Nudes
Posts: 3,844
Peoria, Illinois, US


Sita Mae wrote:
I went out to dinner with a model on Saturday night.

I didn't try to grope her or anything.

I slept in the same bed as a model on Saturday night.

We stayed on our own sides of the bed.

tongue

Feb 02 09 09:49 am  Link  Quote 
Model
-Jen-
Posts: 46,811
Howell, Michigan, US


Rozetta Marie wrote:
What the hell? Why can't someone be able to do a sexy or even nude shoot without the phone call or text msg or email that comes after it... "I was looking at the pics from our shoot and your body is amazing... we should really hang out sometime... go get a drink... I'll even cook you dinner... you know just showing you my gratitude for such a great shoot..."

Oh yeah... and the ones that don't want you to bring an escort only because in the back of their minds they want to try their hand at getting you to sleep with them after or even during the shoot!

And then when you play them, they go after your close personal friends... but little do they know your close personal friends are even crazier than you. LOL

OK... just had to get that off my chest.

thanks for listening.

I go to shoots ALL the time by myself and I never get propositioned. 

The majority of my shoots are NUDE too...

So, maybe you need to check out who you are shooting with before going?

Feb 02 09 09:50 am  Link  Quote 
Model
N i c o l e- Alter Ego
Posts: 4,857
Miami Beach, Florida, US


Sita Mae wrote:
I went out to dinner with a model on Saturday night.

I didn't try to grope her or anything.

damn it!


::goes back to the drawing board::


sad

Feb 02 09 09:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mike Kelcher
Posts: 12,711
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Mikes Images - Mike #4 wrote:
Hanging out, offering someone a social drink or showing gratitude for a job well done  by offering dinner, means they want to sleep with you? Are you sure?

Even if it were true, that a beautiful model appealed to a photographer in such a way that he offered a drink, dinner, or gratitude and was also interested in banging your headboard into the wall 'till the plaster was all on the floor, isn't offering a drink, dinner and gratitude better than saying, "I'd love to f*ck you like an animal" ???

Aren't we all adults here? Is it so unreasonable to think that males and females don't occasionally find the other attractive? Many photographers and models end up getting married and living happily ever-after, I'm guessing that somewhere somehow, a drink, dinner, or gratitude was involved somewhere. I don't believe that offering such things is unprofessional or inappropriate in any way....and it doesn't necessarily mean they are scumbags, perverts, or want to sleep with you. Heck, they might even know what "No' means.
Iona Lynn wrote:
Nope, sorry love, I just got a lecture from two men that are friends of mine the drinks and dinner are just window dressing. Just ask upfront, be honest and let us say yes or no. tongue

So lemme see if I understand. If a photographer asks a model out for drinks or dinner it isn't because he's hungry or wants to unwind and relax with someone instead of doing that alone, it's just "window dressing" for a deeper ulterior motive of wanting to have sex with her? Are you suggesting that we avoid such things and be upfront and honest and ask a yes or no question like, "Do you want to have sex with me?"

Did I misunderstand you?

Feb 02 09 09:56 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura BrokenDoll
Posts: 3,548
Modena, Emilia-Romagna, Italy


Iona Lynn wrote:
I must be ugly, I have only been propositioned for sex less than 10 times  in over 400 shoots.

Either that or I treat my job as a professional.

This is work, not play.

I must be ugly too.
It's happened just once in my first modeling year hmm

Feb 02 09 09:58 am  Link  Quote 
Model
-Nicole-
Posts: 19,180
Madison, Wisconsin, US


Rozetta Marie wrote:
What the hell? Why can't someone be able to do a sexy or even nude shoot without the phone call or text msg or email that comes after it... "I was looking at the pics from our shoot and your body is amazing... we should really hang out sometime... go get a drink... I'll even cook you dinner... you know just showing you my gratitude for such a great shoot..."

Oh yeah... and the ones that don't want you to bring an escort only because in the back of their minds they want to try their hand at getting you to sleep with them after or even during the shoot!

And then when you play them, they go after your close personal friends... but little do they know your close personal friends are even crazier than you. LOL

OK... just had to get that off my chest.

thanks for listening.

There's so many bold worthy comments in this topic, but I'll just quote the whole thing and add a neutral in addition to a nice "wtf"?

Feb 02 09 09:58 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AMBERCOOL
Posts: 1,407
Springfield, Virginia, US


Well... according to most of my female friends they get approached by these things all the time and they are not models/subjects.  So I think it's pretty common and natural that it happens.  As friends, strangers, business associates, cube-mates, and such.
Feb 02 09 10:05 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura BrokenDoll
Posts: 3,548
Modena, Emilia-Romagna, Italy


Mikes Images - Mike #4 wrote:
So lemme see if I understand. If a photographer asks a model out for drinks or dinner it isn't because he's hungry or wants to unwind and relax with someone instead of doing that alone, it's just "window dressing" for a deeper ulterior motive of wanting to have sex with her? Are you suggesting that we avoid such things and be upfront and honest and ask a yes or no question like, "Do you want to have sex with me?"

Did I misunderstand you?

Well, why would you ask out a beautiful woman without other friends involved?
Just to start a wonderful friendship?! C'mon... I'm not saying that asking politely is a bad thing - we models have the gift of speech too and can say 'yes' or 'no'.

Feb 02 09 10:09 am  Link  Quote 
Model
nexiste plus
Posts: 7,075
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Rozetta Marie wrote:
ok... i hate literal people... but if you say so... I'll explain better this time...

*blinks*

Thats funny, because I hate people who are vague in a way that is intended to mislead others into thinking they are far more important / professional / successful than they actually are...

Feb 02 09 10:10 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Forbidden-Fruit
Posts: 140
Chicago, Illinois, US


Lol babe it come with the territory...
9 photographers that i have worked with have come on to me.
One guy was married and he tried things and said things to me in a sexual manner. Whats sad is his wife was in the same building at the time.

I get messeges from photographers, and other models that hit me up trying to see if they can get me naked.

But you must remember a photographer is human first. But sometimes some people go too far. I have experienced photographers who cutt me off , canceled a shoot, and/or would not give me my images because i wouldnt sleep with him.

You got to be aware that some of these guys pick up a camera for the wrong reasons.

No i am not bashing photographers....only the pervert unprofessional ones.
So if it doesnt apply to you then let it fly.
Only a pervert will take offense to what I've said!
Feb 02 09 10:12 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Forbidden-Fruit
Posts: 140
Chicago, Illinois, US


Citizen Deathwish wrote:

*blinks*

Thats funny, because I hate people who are vague in a way that is intended to mislead others into thinking they are far more important / professional / successful than they actually are...

I agree

Feb 02 09 10:13 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Studio Mark Emile
Posts: 30
Nashua, New Hampshire, US


Maybe the vibe was "let's get it on" but mostly it sounds like your photographer was being nice, though perhaps in an "I'd like to get to know you better" kinda of way. There are plenty of models who enjoy being the center of attention and flirt and emote and act brazenly and wantonly sexual, and it is hardly surprising that occasionally signals get crossed. One of the previous posters mentioned that it is not infrequent that photographers and models do hook up, so certainly at least some of the time there is an actual attraction.

I would say that there are likely as many "head case" models as there are GWACs who are just looking to score with cute models. There are valid concerns on both sides of this equation. To me, the answer is professionalism. I don't do sessions at all with just as model and myself; I always have an assistant present, whether or not she brings an escort. And sometimes we do go out and grab a bite and/or drinks with a model after the session. It's a comfort level thing, plus the dictates of our schedule.
Feb 02 09 10:14 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Iona Lynn
Posts: 11,176
Oakland, California, US


Sita Mae wrote:
I went out to dinner with a model on Saturday night.

I didn't try to grope her or anything.

I just spent a day with
Damon
some other tall black dude with a camera who lives in Vegas
and two other nekked girls..
I can not say who groped who...

Feb 02 09 10:14 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Iona Lynn
Posts: 11,176
Oakland, California, US


Mikes Images - Mike #4 wrote:

Mikes Images - Mike #4 wrote:
Hanging out, offering someone a social drink or showing gratitude for a job well done  by offering dinner, means they want to sleep with you? Are you sure?

Even if it were true, that a beautiful model appealed to a photographer in such a way that he offered a drink, dinner, or gratitude and was also interested in banging your headboard into the wall 'till the plaster was all on the floor, isn't offering a drink, dinner and gratitude better than saying, "I'd love to f*ck you like an animal" ???

Aren't we all adults here? Is it so unreasonable to think that males and females don't occasionally find the other attractive? Many photographers and models end up getting married and living happily ever-after, I'm guessing that somewhere somehow, a drink, dinner, or gratitude was involved somewhere. I don't believe that offering such things is unprofessional or inappropriate in any way....and it doesn't necessarily mean they are scumbags, perverts, or want to sleep with you. Heck, they might even know what "No' means.

So lemme see if I understand. If a photographer asks a model out for drinks or dinner it isn't because he's hungry or wants to unwind and relax with someone instead of doing that alone, it's just "window dressing" for a deeper ulterior motive of wanting to have sex with her? Are you suggesting that we avoid such things and be upfront and honest and ask a yes or no question like, "Do you want to have sex with me?"

Did I misunderstand you?

I dunno, it is just what I was told by one man...

Feb 02 09 10:15 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68,937
Orlando, Florida, US


I was gonna say something, but nah.  neutral
Feb 02 09 10:16 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Forbidden-Fruit
Posts: 140
Chicago, Illinois, US


-Jen- wrote:

I go to shoots ALL the time by myself and I never get propositioned. 

The majority of my shoots are NUDE too...

So, maybe you need to check out who you are shooting with before going?

Yes that helps sometimes but not all the time.
I checked a photographer out and I contacted other models who worked with him.
I even went to meet him first before we actually shoot.

But he became a totally different person once we started shooting....The shoot was implied nude.......Wht he did to me scared me & pissed me off so bad.....That i dont really do implied nude anymore

Feb 02 09 10:16 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel Jay
Posts: 20,333
Hoffman Estates, Illinois, US


Forbidden-Fruit wrote:
Lol babe it come with the territory...I get that all the time.
9 photographers that i have worked with have come on to me.
One guy was married and he tried things and said things to me in a sexual manner. Whats sad is his wife was in the same building at the time.

I get messeges from photographers, and other models that hit me up trying to see if they can get me naked.

But you must remember a photographer is human first. But sometimes some people go too far. I have experienced photographers who cutt me off , canceled a shoot, and/or would not give me my images because i wouldnt sleep with him.

You got to be aware that some of these guys pick up a camera for the wrong reasons.

No i am not bashing photographers....only the pervert unprofessional ones.
So if it doesnt apply to you then let it fly.
Only a pervert will take offense to what I've said!

You're in my area, sort of, and I don't know who you're working with, but I have only ever had one photographer I've worked with come on to me.  I don't work with him any more. 

Sure, I have photographers interested in getting me nude, but the majority of them are either folks I've worked with numerous times, and we joke about it, or once I say, "I'm not interested in that kind of work" I don't hear about it again.

Maybe I'm like Iona, and am "too ugly" to preposition lol

Feb 02 09 10:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Randall
Posts: 13,842
Chicago, Illinois, US


Forbidden-Fruit wrote:
Lol babe it come with the territory...I get that all the time.
9 photographers that i have worked with have come on to me
.
One guy was married and he tried things and said things to me in a sexual manner. Whats sad is his wife was in the same building at the time.

I get messeges from photographers, and other models that hit me up trying to see if they can get me naked.

But you must remember a photographer is human first. But sometimes some people go too far. I have experienced photographers who cutt me off , canceled a shoot, and/or would not give me my images because i wouldnt sleep with him.

You got to be aware that some of these guys pick up a camera for the wrong reasons.

No i am not bashing photographers....only the pervert unprofessional ones.
So if it doesnt apply to you then let it fly.
Only a pervert will take offense to what I've said!

Were you doing some sort of porn/oral POV with them when this happened?

Feb 02 09 10:19 am  Link  Quote 
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