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17 year model 18 year old escort !!!
Doug Swinskey wrote: I hope that was a joke. Feb 18 10 03:26 pm Link SF glamour wrote: It is not about being "better." You are in California. If you want to post them, you need a release. Feb 18 10 03:28 pm Link seriously? you're in SF. look at the number of models available in your area. don't waste your time. Feb 18 10 03:30 pm Link i had a model said the forms got signed by a parent. the signature looked sketchy. so i said i need to have a contact number for her mom just in case i need to talk to her. she started saying how i can't, her mom is not going to like it.. b lah blah blah... i wasn't planning on publishing them anyway, so in the end, it was no big deal, but i hate liars... you sure it is not nudes? cause your other port is full of them... just watch it.. chris hansen is watching.. Feb 18 10 03:30 pm Link dklee studio photo wrote: I think that was uncalled for. Feb 18 10 03:40 pm Link dklee studio photo wrote: Dude, don't even joke about that kind of stuff. Not only was that not funny, but disgusting. Feb 18 10 03:46 pm Link no it's not nudes !!! she is only 17 !! if I wanted to shoot nudes ,I would pay not to get in trouble !!! she won't even shoot anything revealing !! I don't want to end up in jail !! for nothing !! Feb 18 10 03:47 pm Link Scott Aitken wrote: As above. You're asking for trouble on this one if you don't actually see the signing. Also, take a photo of the parent or legal guardian's driver license, check the signature on it to the signature on the release. Having them in a photo with the id is good advice. Don't shoot without a release signed before the shoot!! Feb 18 10 03:54 pm Link MOPP wrote: +1 Shoot on a weekend that mom/dad is not working . Feb 18 10 03:59 pm Link The person who asked why you need a release does have a point. A release is necessary when you want to publish work in connection with goods or services (ie, commercial usage). The publisher requires the release. As to shooting minors, whether commercial or not, check on your state laws. Feb 18 10 04:00 pm Link KKP Retouching wrote: nooooo.. i wasn't saying he was a child molester. it was taken out of badly choice context...and wording. i apologize... Feb 18 10 04:01 pm Link she says her parents are working and that they can't come with her !! I smell something fishy !!! Feb 18 10 04:01 pm Link SF glamour wrote: No. Feb 18 10 04:05 pm Link SF glamour wrote: THIS! Feb 18 10 04:05 pm Link SF glamour wrote: If you smell fish, then just pass. There are many other fish in the sea. Feb 18 10 04:06 pm Link The 18 year old girl can sign her own model release form with out a parent. 17 can not sign a model release form with out there guardian The 18 year old girl can not sign for the 17 year old. She is neither the guardian nor a parent of the 17 year old. Feb 18 10 04:07 pm Link SF glamour wrote: I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Many parents work today. Just pictures? Get them to sign a release when they come in to view the images. Schedule that for a Saturday or an evening. Feb 18 10 04:22 pm Link they should both bring their parents... and their grandparents Feb 18 10 04:30 pm Link you are funny !! Feb 18 10 04:31 pm Link PICAZZO PHOTOGRAPHY wrote: Yes, their place, or yours, meet somewhere! A bit of trouble, but I would not feel good about even notarized! Feb 18 10 04:35 pm Link If the model has a notarized release from the parents designating the friend as a legal guardian with limited power of attorney for purposes of modeling, it's totally kosher... except that you're still in those dangerous "what if they claim I rape them because they're bored" waters. I know someone whose teaching career was ended by two young girls who later claimed their accusations were because they were curious how people would react, not because anything actually happened. Teenage girls are an exceptionally dangerous lot. That aside, given the above (notarized!) documentation it's fine. I had a 25 year old guardian when I was 16 so I could participate in dangerous sports out of state without my parents around. Feb 18 10 05:31 pm Link do you really need a release, for fashion and headshots? are you concerned that you're going to be sued and you need the legal defense? Feb 18 10 06:05 pm Link The key here ... she is seventeen, no mommy , no daddy...NO SHOOT. NOW FOR THE EXCEPTION TO THAT RULE...IF YOU WANT TO SHOOT HER THAT BAD THEN DRIVE OVER TO THEIR HOUSE AND HAVE THEM SIGN THE REALESE IN FRONT OF YOU. I would also type something up and have them sign that the 18 year old would be acting as their eyes and ears...JUST COVER YOUR AZZ Feb 18 10 06:32 pm Link A little common sense goes a long way. First have a parent or legal guardian sign the release in front of a notary and have the seal applied. Second, have the parent sign a paper giving the "escort" (18+, 21+ better) permission to act in "Loco Parentis" (hope I spelled it correctly) for a clearly described shoot. Make sure it is notorized. Third, have the "escort sign the release as "witness". You have now taken "due dilligance" in making sure everything is in order. If this is too much trouble for anyone concerned, move on, QUICKLY!! I am not a lawyer but i do have a bit of experience dealing with problems involving minors. My daughter had a close friend who as a minor spent a lot of time with me (Us) for a variety of reasons. For all intensitive purposes I considered her my "unofficially adopted daughter". Her father was out of the picture and her mom was really relieved she spent a lot of time with us. She had some medicial problems, nothing really serious but enough to cause concerns when she traveled with us to visit faimly or friends hours away from home in case of emergency. Her mom gave me a permission slip authorizing me to act in "loco parentis" any time she was in my "care" or her mother was unavailable. The fact that it was notorized I was told made it bulletproof should it ever have been needed. It simply gave me the right to "act as parent" if the need ever arose. It gave me the permission to act on anything that might require parental consent (such as medicial treatment) should the need arise. Fortunately I never had to use it but it was very comfortable knowing that if something did happen we would not have had to wait hours or longer to contact a parent in an emergency. By having the same type of document giving the "escort" this type of authiority, you should be completely covered for any questions that might arise ( the one issue might revolve around your particular state will reconize 18 or 21 as being able to act in this capacity). My "Gut" feeling would be the escort should be 21+. That could change if everything "felt" Ok and all the paperwork was in order. I would want to have origional documents in my files in any case. Feb 18 10 06:47 pm Link Whenever I have shot with under-18 models I always meet with the parent or guardian, check ID's and proof of relationship/legal guardianship. THEN we set a shoot date and discuss what we will be shooting and who is going ot be present during the shoot. SF glamour wrote: Feb 18 10 06:57 pm Link quote] You don't need a release until you are ready to publish. If she's just a couple months shy of being 18, then just wait until after her birthday and send her a release to sign for herself. Bad advice, really bad advice. Feb 18 10 06:59 pm Link Doug Swinskey wrote: KKP Retouching wrote: Why would you think that was a joke? Call up a real modeling agency and ask to test with one of their under-18 models. Present your release and ask the agency to get the parents to sign it. See if they think that's a joke. Feb 18 10 07:02 pm Link BlackArts - Jenna Black wrote: I'm sorry, do you really think all this is necessary to take a few fashion shots to end up in his portfolio? Feb 18 10 07:03 pm Link Doug Swinskey wrote: KKP Retouching wrote: c_d_s wrote: They would much rather believe that the sky is falling. Feb 18 10 07:05 pm Link c_d_s wrote: Doug Swinskey wrote: Why would you think that was a joke? Call up a real modeling agency and ask to test with one of their under-18 models. Present your release and ask the agency to get the parents to sign it. See if they think that's a joke. MM world = agency-models world... Feb 18 10 07:08 pm Link Doug Swinskey wrote: KKP Retouching wrote: dead serious, most of the photographers i see wanting model releases, don't really know what a model is and what it used for... Feb 18 10 07:21 pm Link Doug Swinskey wrote: Doug Swinskey wrote: dead serious, most of the photographers i see wanting model releases, don't really know what a model is and what it used for... A girl walking into glamour shots is paying them a hefty sum and doesn't want to use the images. Feb 18 10 07:52 pm Link Doug Swinskey wrote: Lumigraphics wrote: That goes to the license granted to her by Glamour Shots, not her giving Glamour Shots the right to use her likeness, which is what a release would be for. Feb 18 10 07:53 pm Link Ideally, you would have the parent or legal guardian sign the release in the presence of a notary, but that's a little impractical. The next best thing and something that I recommend, is to have that person sign the document and then have a witness (your witness, not his/her's) sign the document, as well. Having a second person who will testify on your behalf usually cuts out a lot of crap, if someone decides to get stupid about the situation. Feb 18 10 08:13 pm Link Lumigraphics wrote: the point that you missed so easily is that a model release is not always required.... Feb 18 10 08:41 pm Link Lumigraphics wrote: Doug Swinskey wrote: Doug, for the record, I know of very few photographers who have been sued for displaying images on a site like MM when it is purely for social networking. The distinction really is going to be if it is to solicit work or if it really is social networking. Feb 18 10 08:59 pm Link Doug Swinskey wrote: Lumigraphics wrote: ei Total Productions wrote: I meant that Glamour Shots doesn't want to use the images. They got their compensation in cash, and they can grant usage to a 17yo without needing a parent's approval. Feb 18 10 09:21 pm Link I worked for the Federal Gov't for fifteen years and the lasting lesson was ALWAYS cover your ass. Feb 18 10 09:24 pm Link Mod please delete this post. Feb 18 10 09:54 pm Link SF glamour wrote: Photographers have been thrown in prison for being that dumb. If your business is so broke that you can't pass up a job that smells fishy or your a hobbyist that desperate to get a shoot do us all a favor and quit. Note: I'm choosing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't just some perv who is desperate to shoot a 17 girl without adult supervision or a model agency representative. Feb 18 10 09:57 pm Link |
