Forums > Photography Talk > Be Aware of Nikon 24-70 F 2.8 N Lens.

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Mooyo

Posts: 55

Bucharest, Bucharest, Romania

I heard some rumors regarding Nikon 24-70 N lens that light leaking happens through focus finder n tested it by myself...

It was not rumor... it really happened..

I posted my test on youtube.

check it out.
http://bit.ly/cbK3QN

Jul 02 10 11:19 am Link

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Gaze at Photography

Posts: 4371

Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, US

Great video.  Let us know what Nikon does for you

Jul 02 10 11:26 am Link

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D M E C K E R T

Posts: 4786

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

lovely.

*note to self: don't sell 28-70/2.8*

it strikes me as particularly dodgy of nikon to suggest gaff tape to fix their problem. ayayay.

Jul 02 10 11:44 am Link

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William Westerhoff

Posts: 237

Kihei, Hawaii, US

When I shoot at ISO 1600 at 10sec. I do so because I'm shooting in extremely low light, and when shooting in extremely low light I don't have any bright light filtering in through the focus finder. I've been using this lens for a year now and it has become my favorite lens, I'll keep an eye out for the problem but so far have not seen this problem yet in any of my photos.

Jul 02 10 11:54 am Link

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Cliff from NJ

Posts: 1430

Clinton, New Jersey, US

Damn!!!! Mine just failed the test. Luckily I have gaffers tape. Is that really the solution from Nikon so far?

Jul 02 10 12:06 pm Link

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Eduardo Frances

Posts: 3227

Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain

Mooyo wrote:
I heard some rumors regarding Nikon 24-70 N lens that light leaking happens through focus finder n tested it by myself...

It was not rumor... it really happened..

I posted my test on youtube.

check it out.
http://bit.ly/cbK3QN

Well the solution is really easy: just put some gaffer tape over whenever you are going to use it for long exposures at said focal length and done. A mistake from Nikon? sure, Something really dramatic? no... hmm

Jul 02 10 12:06 pm Link

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Sourcelight Photography

Posts: 284

BOISE, Idaho, US

My favorite lens for the past year.  Never had a problem.  I imagine there are a few thousand other Nikon shooters around the world who could say the same thing, but people rarely go on forums to report NON-issues with gear.

Jul 02 10 12:19 pm Link

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o k u t a k e

Posts: 4660

New York, New York, US

William Westerhoff wrote:
When I shoot at ISO 1600 at 10sec. I do so because I'm shooting in extremely low light, and when shooting in extremely low light I don't have any bright light filtering in through the focus finder. I've been using this lens for a year now and it has become my favorite lens, I'll keep an eye out for the problem but so far have not seen this problem yet in any of my photos.

Eduardo Frances wrote:
Well the solution is really easy: just put some gaffer tape over whenever you are going to use it for long exposures at said focal length and done. A mistake from Nikon? sure, Something really dramatic? no... hmm

Watch the whole video.

The problem also occurs when shooting under strobes at ISO400/125. So yeah. I'd consider that something dramatic.

Jul 02 10 12:29 pm Link

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Jag Images

Posts: 129

Tampa, Florida, US

Unfortunate issue yes would it stop me from buying a great lens no if set up under similar rarely used scenerios I would imagine a number of lenses could have this issue.  How many times are you setting up with the focus screen 5 inches from the center of your softbox with the screen perpendicular to the light coming out? And I would imagine if you were worried about it a regrip of your hand would do the same as the gaff tape solution.

Jul 02 10 12:32 pm Link

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William Westerhoff

Posts: 237

Kihei, Hawaii, US

[The problem also occurs when shooting under strobes at ISO400/125. So yeah. I'd consider that something dramatic.]

  I guess using my 2400w Speedotron lighting system I still never found a need to shoot at 400 ISO

Jul 02 10 12:41 pm Link

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S W I N S K E Y

Posts: 24376

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

thats it, i'm selling all my nikon bodies and lenses...i'm switching to canon....

Jul 02 10 12:48 pm Link

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P O T T S

Posts: 5471

Lake City, Florida, US

S W I N S K E Y wrote:
thats it, i'm selling all my nikon bodies and lenses...i'm switching to canon....

You should just give them away if they are that bad. What time should I help you move the boxes out? I'll haul it all off for you without even charging you for gas.

Jul 02 10 12:50 pm Link

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American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

S W I N S K E Y wrote:
thats it, i'm selling all my nikon bodies and lenses...i'm switching to canon....

P O T T S wrote:
You should just give them away if they are that bad. What time should I help you move the boxes out? I'll haul it all off for you without even charging you for gas.

I'll accept any gifts as well.  Seriously, I love my 24-70 and never have any problems.

Jul 02 10 12:51 pm Link

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o k u t a k e

Posts: 4660

New York, New York, US

William Westerhoff wrote:
[The problem also occurs when shooting under strobes at ISO400/125. So yeah. I'd consider that something dramatic.]

  I guess using my 2400w Speedotron lighting system I still never found a need to shoot at 400 ISO

Just because the OP only tested the issue out down to 400, doesn't mean it has no effect on other iso settings. A light leak on your lens is a light leak on your lens. It's still there no matter what iso you use, it just may not have as dramatic an effect.     

Personally I'd put the gaff tape on just to be on the safe side. If I'm going to pay $1700 for a lens, I'd expect it not to have light leaks.

Jul 02 10 12:53 pm Link

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Jay Lee Studios

Posts: 1239

San Diego, California, US

S W I N S K E Y wrote:
thats it, i'm selling all my nikon bodies and lenses...i'm switching to canon....

Why sell them they are crap just give them to me I will take care of disposing of all your gear for you. Bodies Lenses anything Nikon just ship it to me.

Jul 02 10 12:55 pm Link

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Know Idea

Posts: 3000

Los Angeles, California, US

Mooyo wrote:
I heard some rumors regarding Nikon 24-70 N lens that light leaking happens through focus finder n tested it by myself...

It was not rumor... it really happened..

I posted my test on youtube.

check it out.
http://bit.ly/cbK3QN

Interesting! Thank you.

Jul 02 10 12:56 pm Link

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S W I N S K E Y

Posts: 24376

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

S W I N S K E Y wrote:
thats it, i'm selling all my nikon bodies and lenses...i'm switching to canon....

P O T T S wrote:
You should just give them away if they are that bad. What time should I help you move the boxes out? I'll haul it all off for you without even charging you for gas.

ei Total Productions wrote:
I'll accept any gifts as well.  Seriously, I love my 24-70 and never have any problems.

ok, as soon as i get them out of the dishwasher, ill pack en up and send em over....

Jul 02 10 12:58 pm Link

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P O T T S

Posts: 5471

Lake City, Florida, US

S W I N S K E Y wrote:
ok, as soon as i get them out of the dishwasher, ill pack en up and send em over....

Did you at least lock the mirrors up so the sensors got clean?

Jul 02 10 01:54 pm Link

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Vision Images by Jake

Posts: 595

Stockton, California, US

Cliff from NJ wrote:
Damn!!!! Mine just failed the test. Luckily I have gaffers tape. Is that really the solution from Nikon so far?

Hmmm! I am seeing the same as well, it seems to be a sweet spot just like he said between 50-55.  I haven't notice it causing any problems, but it is deffinitely there.

This is where I saw it at:

Lens @ 50-55
A - 5.6
S - 125
ISO 4000

Very Interesting!

Jul 02 10 03:42 pm Link

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Moon Pix Photography

Posts: 3907

Syracuse, New York, US

Gaffers tape as a suggested solution?

Wow...

Jul 02 10 03:45 pm Link

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Albertex Photography

Posts: 18159

Mansfield, Texas, US

I could not make mine do it.  I tried:
ISO 4000
10 sec
f2.8
Cell phone light

ISO 4000
1/125
2.8
WL 800 at full
24mm, 55mm or 70mm

Wonder if it was a bad batch or a grey market.

Jul 02 10 03:53 pm Link

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Rik Austin

Posts: 12164

Austin, Texas, US

Great.  I just ordered one this morning.  I guess I'll find out next Thursday when I get it.  We'll see how good B&H are on returns.

Jul 02 10 04:04 pm Link

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Vision Images by Jake

Posts: 595

Stockton, California, US

Albertex Photography wrote:
I could not make mine do it.  I tried:
ISO 4000
10 sec
f2.8
Cell phone light

ISO 4000
1/125
2.8
WL 800 at full
24mm, 55mm or 70mm

Wonder if it was a bad batch or a grey market.

There is a sweet spot right between 50-55, we are seeing it here. However it is not posing a problem, I luv the lens.  When I am shooting at that high of a ISO, I don't have any backlight to worry about.

Jul 02 10 04:27 pm Link

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Ken Earl

Posts: 522

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Confirmed here. 10s f/2.8 at 200 with an LED mag light pointed directly into the window. I took a light reading on the mag light, and calculated that the phenomena must be about 18 stops below ambient.

Jul 02 10 04:30 pm Link

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rfordphotos

Posts: 8866

Antioch, California, US

for whatever its worth.

at iso 3200, 30seconds exposure, f/22, f/11, f/2.8 @~50,53 and 55 mm using a single speedo head on a 2400w/s pack, using a snoot, focused on the little window.... perfectly black frame, nothing on the histogram.

only did one test at lower iso, of course, nothing.

tried 70mm and 24mm, nothing.

Either I was lucky and got a good copy of a great lens, or you folks were unlucky and got a poor copy.

Seems like a lame response from Nikon, I would insist on a copy that didnt leak.

Jul 02 10 05:52 pm Link

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Mooyo

Posts: 55

Bucharest, Bucharest, Romania

well... it's true that light leaking happens at certain circumstances

but at the same time, it happens... which is supposed to be not...
I personally think it's more of fundamental issue.

and I tested it with iso 200 / ss 1/125 sec... so...

I am talking with other photographer in Korea and try to collect some pics with same issue.

I will let you know when I got more info.

Jul 03 10 12:41 am Link

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DougBPhoto

Posts: 39248

Portland, Oregon, US

Lately, it seems like Nikon is doing their best to boost Canon's sales.

Personally, I'm in the midst of a problem with Nikon, but I'm keeping quiet on it until next week to give them a chance to do right by me.

Needless to say, I am very displeased with the situation I've encountered with their service department, anyone knowing the facts would probably think I'm being incredibly generous with trying to give them a chance to make up for this.

Jul 03 10 12:48 am Link

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photoimager

Posts: 5164

Stoke-on-Trent, England, United Kingdom

Um, this puzzled me as to why people are thinking there is a problem.

If it is a problem with one lens it will be a problem with ALL lenses.

The D700 & other upper end bodies have a viewfinder shutter for when the camera is being used without an eye in place. The "problem" of light coming in throught the viewfinder has existed to some degree ever since the first SLR.

As with the hysteria that some people whipped up on the internet over the molding marks in the 70-200 GII light baffle, I will not be having any concerns or doubts about the quality of the product inflicted on me by this.

Jul 03 10 12:49 am Link

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The Other Place

Posts: 558

Los Angeles, California, US

The D700 & other upper end bodies have a viewfinder shutter for when the camera is being used without an eye in place. The "problem" of light coming in throught the viewfinder has existed to some degree ever since the first SLR.

It sounds like the light leak is coming through the focus "window" on top of the lens -- not through the viewfinder/eyepiece.'

Folks, to avoid lingering adhesive residue, don't use gaffers tape (and especially not duct tape) to cover the focus window.  Instead, use two layers of black, production paper tape or use black, light-tight, paper photo tape.

Jul 03 10 01:12 am Link

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Jon Dawes

Posts: 35

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

This is such a non issue.

For the record, I managed to make this happen @ 50mm shooting on a D300 ISO HI 1.0 (6400 Equiv), f2.8, 30s with a lamp hard against the 'leaky' focus screen.  I then tried to correctly expose that light at the same focal length.  A shot of ISO HI 1.0, f2.8 1/8000 is still over exposed, but that's as fast as I can get and seems plenty to prove the point.  Someone want to work out how many stops there are between 30s and 1/8000s?

If you have a light falling on your lens that many stops above your scene, then frankly the equipment is not the problem.

Jul 03 10 01:15 am Link

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Jon Dawes

Posts: 35

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

The Other Place wrote:
It sounds like the light link is coming through the focus "window" top of the lens -- not through the viewfinder/eyepiece.'

You are correct, as shown in the video posted above the light is coming in via the lens.

Just out of curiosity, I performed the same test holding the same lamp as I used in the test above against the viewfinder instead of the lens again on a D300, ISO HI 1.0, f2.8, 30s.  Whilst it doesn't get the same white corner, half the frame is light grey, half is dark grey.  It affects MORE of the frame than this alleged 'fault'. 

IMO, more to support the notion that this is a non-issue.

Jul 03 10 01:22 am Link

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Kevin Greggain Photography

Posts: 6769

Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada

Nikon can easily fix this solution. All they have to do is include a complimentary roll of some black tape with the lens..

simple fix..

I wonder why anyone would be upset after spending all that money on the lens ? LOL

Eeesh.

I'd be sending that lens back with a jar of Vaseline

Jul 03 10 01:44 am Link

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o k u t a k e

Posts: 4660

New York, New York, US

Jon Dawes wrote:

You are correct, as shown in the video posted above the light is coming in via the lens.

Just out of curiosity, I performed the same test holding the same lamp as I used in the test above against the viewfinder instead of the lens again on a D300, ISO HI 1.0, f2.8, 30s.  Whilst it doesn't get the same white corner, half the frame is light grey, half is dark grey.  It affects MORE of the frame than this alleged 'fault'. 

IMO, more to support the notion that this is a non-issue.

The difference is, is that lenses are not supposed to leak light. Viewfinders on the other hand do leak light, and it's common knowledge amongst experienced photographers that they do. There are viewfinders specifically made with internal shutters that will block out light that leaks in through your cameras regular viewfinder when doing long exposures or shooting in conditions where this may be a problem.

Jul 03 10 02:35 am Link

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Jon Dawes

Posts: 35

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

o k u t a k e wrote:
The difference is, is that lenses are not supposed to leak light. Viewfinders on the other hand do leak light, and it's common knowledge amongst experienced photographers that they do. There are viewfinders specifically made with internal shutters that will block out light that leaks in through your cameras regular viewfinder when doing long exposures or shooting in conditions where this may be a problem.

I'm aware the viewfinder leaking is common knowledge, or should be.  Yes there are methods around to combat it, but lets face it, 99.9% of people take no steps whatsoever to combat it because it isn't an issue.  This lens leak is about the same in terms of effect on images.

Sure, ideally this shouldn't happen but really, I can't see this is ever going to have an effect in real world shooting conditions.

Jul 03 10 02:46 am Link

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Mooyo

Posts: 55

Bucharest, Bucharest, Romania

I also forgot to mention this thing has been only happened at full-frame body

Jul 03 10 03:01 am Link

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nudeXposed

Posts: 1154

Shanghai, Shanghai, China

I use the 24-70mm all the time on my D3 and never had any light leak problems.

Jul 03 10 03:08 am Link

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Strange Babes

Posts: 436

Los Angeles, California, US

Eduardo Frances wrote:

Well the solution is really easy: just put some gaffer tape over whenever you are going to use it for long exposures at said focal length and done. A mistake from Nikon? sure, Something really dramatic? no... hmm

I'd use paper tape myself

Jul 03 10 05:01 am Link

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Monito -- Alan

Posts: 16524

Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

.

Jul 03 10 05:21 am Link

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Ralph Easy

Posts: 6426

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Major issue or not, extreme conditions or not... the bottom line is: IT DOES LEAK!
All other lenses don't do this (anybody tested theirs?)
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." Tommy J.

Jul 03 10 07:16 am Link

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American Glamour

Posts: 38813

Detroit, Michigan, US

I just watched the video.  I had no sound earlier today.  This is almost silly!

I just repeated this same test, with the same methodology on two other Nikon lenses and a Canon 24-105 and they all do the same thing.

I think if you try hard enough, you can force any lens to leak light.

Jul 03 10 04:38 pm Link