Forums > Off-Topic Discussion > September 11, 2001 - UdoR's Story & Photos

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udor

Posts: 25255

New York, New York, US

sad

Sep 11 07 10:18 am Link

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SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

Just to remind folks, as horrible as what happened in NYC was there were a lot of people who lost folks elsewhere too.
My uncle Chris is a former fighter pilot & now naval intelligence officer & he works at the Pentagon.
He was out of his office when the plane struck there, which was lucky as his office was right where the plane hit killing his attache & secretary.

It was several hours before we could find out whether he was dead or alive.

(BTW for all you conspiracy types, he was there AND he saw the wreckage and he's a pilot so he knows what plane parts look like...stick it up your ass if you want to start talking "missile").

For the military & civilian workers at the Pentagon & their families it's been just as much of a wrenching event, not to mention for the Flight 93 families.
This isn't to minimize the impact on NYC (and in fact I knew some of the folks from Windows On the World who died) but just to remind folks others were affected too smile

Sep 11 07 11:00 am Link

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uysdf

Posts: 2934

Hickory, Mississippi, US

great work udor..... I lost many friends that day .... i got goose bumps just looking at those images

Sep 11 07 11:06 am Link

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LeDeux Art

Posts: 50123

San Ramon, California, US

udor wrote:
Thank you all for letting me share this rather very intimate experience with you sofar.

do you feel the event traumatized you Udor? living so close and having even documented the disaster gives a certain perspectave

Sep 11 07 11:12 am Link

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Kristen Jeanne

Posts: 5770

Pinardville, New Hampshire, US

I cried sad To think I had almost forgotten the feelings from just a few years ago...

Sep 11 07 11:13 am Link

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udor

Posts: 25255

New York, New York, US

jonathan ledeux wrote:
do you feel the event traumatized you Udor? living so close and having even documented the disaster gives a certain perspectave

Yes... it numbed me... I felt violated. For the years to come, whenever I saw images... or when I had to talk about that day or when I remembered scenes like that woman in the car next to me, who was wheeping... well, my eyes filled up with tears (as it's doing right now).

The WTC was so important for me since 1992 and I had very strong emotional ties to the WTC.

Was one of my favorite locations in all of NYC and that's one of the reason me and my then-wife decided to get married up there, which was 10 weeks earlier (used to have an office up there).

I did lose colleagues and friends on that day, but I lost "my" WTC.

I am not sure how to explain this... many lost their friends and are impacted just by the human tragedy, but for me... a true symbol of internationalism, where people from all over the world worked and had lunch together... that "romantic" idea was a most intimate connection that you could somewhat compare how war veterans feel about the American flag and what it stands for for them.

Sep 11 07 11:23 am Link

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Lindsay J

Posts: 5176

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I remember everything about that day. It seems like just yesterday.

Thanks for posting this.

Sep 11 07 11:29 am Link

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Garry k

Posts: 30129

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Great Contribution .

Sep 11 07 11:30 am Link

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-Jen-

Posts: 46880

Howell, Michigan, US

I'm absolutely speechless. 

Thank you for sharing these Udor.

Sep 11 07 11:30 am Link

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Caspers Creations

Posts: 11409

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Thank you for taking the time to share this with us.

Sep 11 07 11:37 am Link

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HippieChick

Posts: 2281

udor wrote:
You know... we all have different political views about this issue.

George, who posted above, is one of my very best friends, he attended the wedding in the World Trade Center, I have written in my post. He has as strong emotional feelings about the WTC as I do, and he is on the diagonally opposite end of the spectrum in his political views about the WTC than I am.

We all take this event differently. His views are in total support of the administration, because for him, that's the way to go.

I, personally am dissappointed, because I feel that the current administration didn't take the necessary steps to prosecute those who were responsible for violating "me" and instead invaded a country that served their own agenda that had nothing to do with the attack, but was necessary for their own purposes.

BUT, this thread is not about politics... it's about the very personal and documented experience of a member of Model Mayhem, during the exact time of that incredible tragedy.

I really hope that our administration finally brings the PERSON to justice who robbed me of one of the fondest memories of my life and took part of my personal health.

Also, George and I were involved in a scientific dive company and both were involved with an anthropological research entity at that time. He certified my (then) wife in scuba diving on Sunday, September 9, 2001. He taught her how to swim, then how to dive. As much as I disagree with him politically and some of his ways of dealing with people in an interpersonal way... I trust him with my life!

And I think that means and says so much about you BOTH that you can have opposing views and be such good friends!  We need more of this, people having opinions and still being respectful.  You can be passionate, intelligent, opinionated AND respectful. Most people forget that.

It made me smile because one of my best friends ever has different views than I and I would rather talk religion, politics, life with her (for hours) than w/ ANYONE who agreed with me!  If you surround yourself with people who agree w/  you on everything , how will any of us ever learn from each other!

Kudos to you both!


and Udor, thank you so much for this rememberance.  It touched me deeply and gave me the moment of reflection that I hoped to find in this day.

Hope

Sep 11 07 11:51 am Link

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Patrickth

Posts: 10321

Bellingham, Washington, US

udor wrote:

You know... we all have different political views about this issue.


We all take this event differently. His views are in total support of the administration, because for him, that's the way to go.

I, personally am dissappointed, because I feel that the current administration didn't take the necessary steps to prosecute those who were responsible for violating "me" and instead invaded a country that served their own agenda that had nothing to do with the attack, but was necessary for their own purposes.

BUT, this thread is not about politics...

*Selective quotes from Udor's post above.................

Udor, I am glad you posted this for many reasons. I have been honestly trying to figure you out on a different level than just your photography. It is something I do and have been doing for many years.

You are of course right, this is not about politics, but I am a bit confused with not just your, but many peoples attitudes about events leading up to, during and of course after this tragedy. 

The Flag of the WTC was given to my unit (long after I left it), the 26th Marines who took it to the heart of the beast. Yes, it was Afghanistan and I know not a single Marine would think about who exactly was sitting in that White House. It is just not their way.  They go and do what they are told by the person who this country puts there to be the CIC. 

It has been a lot of years since I went tracking someone, or even thousands of someones but it is not an easy thing.  When our bombers fly, people have no conception of how things change on the ground. 

What makes you think he is really and truly alive? I ask an honest question, not some dippy do from MOVEON or some such. No politics, just you.  What makes you think we haven't got him?  Is it DNA, these so called communications we get or what?  I really would like to know.

If you need references about my past at any level, just email me and I will give them to you. I am not attacking you or anyone that believes what you believe.

Sep 11 07 11:51 am Link

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Bob Helm Photography

Posts: 18907

Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US

Thanks for sharing your memories of the day and for your efforst to help in the aftermath

Sep 11 07 12:06 pm Link

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Mr Banner

Posts: 85322

Hayward, California, US

Daniela V wrote:
The pictures of the cars...wow...

x

Sep 11 07 02:58 pm Link

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Fiona L 1125

Posts: 1376

Brooklyn, New York, US

6th grade, it was my friend's birthday...
I was all the way up on the 5th floor, and could see the Manhattan skyline very clearly from Brooklyn where I went to school.
Last few words of happy birthday, and then you hear the crash...afterwards, the teacher try to calm us down...but even herself couldn't believe what was happening. Next thing you know..we saw it go down...all the way down.
I was in pain, I was terrified, worried all mixed up together...I cried so hard, I wanted my mom, and the person I was most worried about was my brother. He worked exactly right across the street from WTC, I didn't know if he was okay, I didn't know anything.
Of course parents came, picked us all up. The day was bright and certainly sunny, but the atmosphere seemed so gloomy and cloudy, just like today.
Thank god, my brother was lucky, he had to take a citizenship test that day, and took a day off from work. I sat there, flipping through channels and channels, watching the towers fall down, over and over and over again.

Now it's 6 years, Senior in High School, even now, looking outside you can see the skyline, but it's still something I can't get used to...not having something that was obviously there.

Sep 11 07 06:58 pm Link

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rectorplacephotograhy

Posts: 64

New York, New York, US

thanks

Sep 11 07 07:21 pm Link

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Mayanlee

Posts: 3560

New City, New York, US

I lost a good friend not on that day, but several months later through depression. He was also a first responder, an HVAC contractor by trade working on a job a block away when the planes hit. He stayed to help out on the site however he could but would tell often afterwards how certain sights stayed with him and couldn't get rid of (like a body part landing a few feet away). I think of him often.

Sep 11 07 07:38 pm Link

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Chill Factor

Posts: 432

New York, New York, US

bump

Sep 11 08 05:54 pm Link

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Caspers Creations

Posts: 11409

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Chill Factor wrote:
bump

I tried to find this earlier but the Plastic Puppet wasnt helping me.
Thanks for bumping it up.

Sep 11 08 05:55 pm Link

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Tanya Weaver

Posts: 7650

Atlanta, Georgia, US

It still as painful.

Sep 11 08 06:02 pm Link

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erodphoto

Posts: 114

Miami, Florida, US

I worked at 5 World trade center in 1989, i wonder how many of the people that i worked with died that day.  I felt bad when learning that someone that i had a fight with in H.S.(over some stupid girl) had died. He was one of the Heroes of FDNY that gave their lives trying to save others......RIP Sergio Villanueva

Sep 11 08 06:03 pm Link

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Jim Ball

Posts: 17632

Frontenac, Kansas, US

Caspers Creations wrote:

I tried to find this earlier but the Plastic Puppet wasnt helping me.
Thanks for bumping it up.

Some old threads need bumped.

After 9/11 everyone was wearing little red, white & blue ribbons in rememberance.  I stuck mine on the side of my computer monitor and swore that it would stay there until those responsible (Bin Laden) were captured or dead.  My ribbon is still there.  It's been moved to it's third monitor and the blue has faded to a funky purple, but it is still there, and shall remain there.

Sep 11 08 06:07 pm Link

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J C ModeFotografie

Posts: 14718

Los Angeles, California, US

Looking at all the dust in the OP pics . . . I remember talking to one of my models and her mother about 9/11 and they were planning to visit there a few weeks after it happened . . . I advised them to wait a few months, because there was sure to be asbestos and other dangerous pollutants in that dust . . . it turns out I was right and there was a serious spike in the incidence of respiratory ailments in New York as well as mesothelioma (lung cancer caused by asbestos).

Sep 11 08 06:07 pm Link

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JR Digital

Posts: 378

Fullerton, California, US

Never forgotten.

Sep 11 08 06:24 pm Link

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Rachelle Kay

Posts: 555

Pasco, Washington, US

I remember exactly where I was. I was also in 6th grade is Mr. Rose's math class. We were all just goofing off and excited because it was one of our classmates birthdays when i heard commotion in the hallways and someone came in and told our teacher some and he had a student turn on the tv. I couldn't believe what I saw. I've seen all the movies that have a came out and it just tears me up inside everytime i do but i cant get away from them. I have no one in my family that lives in NY (i live in WA state) but I had friends who had family there and I just cant imagine the pain people went through, and are still going through.

The only thing that really upsets me is that it usually takes a tragedy to get people to come together as one. Maybe its just me, being young still and only in 6th grade then, did i never notice so much patriotizm until September 11th?

Thank you so much for posting this Udor. It means a great deal to all.

Sep 11 08 06:49 pm Link

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Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

I have some photos of the WTC under construction that I should scan.
I was on the observation deck of one of the towers in the late 80s.  I shot a photo of the base of the antenna on the other tower at that time.
In May of 2002 I visited the site.

Sep 12 08 12:55 pm Link

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Jeffrey Engel

Posts: 22327

Waltham, Massachusetts, US

This is one of the best descriptions of NYC I've ever read. It is so absolutely true the events of 9/11 have never changed it.

Craig Tiffen wrote:
...sometime late at night, I cant remember what time, I was walking around down by Washington Square Park near NYU, and It began raining so much, everything seemed to stop.

Sitting under a covering by one of the buildings that was having construction done, I was surrounded by about 20-30 other people trying to stay out of the rain. You had every type of person under this overhang, businessmen, drug dealers, bums, mom and her kids, the gutter punks, the NYU students, the out-of-towners, all different ethnic backgrounds, all different classes.

I'm not sure why I noticed this so much, but I just found it amazing that everyone just stopped, not many cars were out that night, and it was just very quiet. During this time under the overhang, everyone was talking to each other, bums to the mom and kids, drug dealers to the business men, NYU students to the gutter punks, and so on.

This lasted for a good 20 minutes until the rain let up a bit, and then... the switch was flipped, and the city was turned back on.

Sep 12 08 01:42 pm Link

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Elle A B

Posts: 2703

Brooklyn, New York, US

This post brought back all those emotions from that day. From not knowing what was really going on while in 10th grade classes, hearing people get called over the loud speaker to get picked up from school, to going home and watching everything on tv and crying hysterically while watching footage of people jumping out of their office building windows plummeting to their deaths.

Sep 12 08 03:21 pm Link

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Mayanlee

Posts: 3560

New City, New York, US

I still think of the friends I lost that day (I used to work at American Express) and those subsequently lost to suicide (two of them - rescue workers) who were never able to recover from the trauma of the event itself or the ensuing weeks. I was across the river from NYC at the time, listening to WCBS radio as they reported the second plane hitting and then saw a second plume of smoke emerge from the tower -- it is a combined sensory/visual image that will remain indelibly with me in a way I could never document or describe adequately.

I miss my friends.

Nov 27 08 02:51 am Link

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ImNoOne

Posts: 1422

Abbeville, Alabama, US

Those are beautiful and heart breaking. I want to cry. Good thing both you and your wife were ok. I thankfully didn't lose anyone (of course a part of the city I worked in and love was lost which was/is horrible but I'm very thankful everyone I knew personally was ok) but I had a lot of friends at the time who did, it was really horrible.

Nov 27 08 12:03 pm Link

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UnoMundo

Posts: 47532

Olympia, Washington, US

why ? is there some reason Thanksgiving spurred you to seek an old thread about 9-11

Nov 27 08 12:09 pm Link

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Brian Morris Photography

Posts: 20901

Los Angeles, California, US

Still so powerful! Thanks for sharing

Nov 27 08 12:13 pm Link

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Chris Rifkin

Posts: 25581

Tampa, Florida, US

Daniela V is Retiring wrote:
The pictures of the cars...wow...

Thanks for posting this-

yeah.............

Nov 27 08 04:07 pm Link

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Fergy

Posts: 22436

Fenton, Michigan, US

In memory...yes its an old thread but a powerful one.


Sep 11 10 06:32 am Link

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Sublime Texas

Posts: 1015

Austin, Texas, US

Thank you so very much for sharing.

Sep 11 10 08:49 am Link

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Wicked Photos

Posts: 7699

New York, New York, US

wow, great stuff man. gives me the chills.

i was actually goin to school uptown it all that happened. still remember everything to this day. now i actually work down at the financial building and have to walk by that every day.

Sep 11 10 08:52 am Link

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Steph Clare

Posts: 3447

Argyle, Florida, US

so mad how it really feels like yesterday. every time i see the haunting video footage of the planes / fire / collapsing building i'm left speechless everytime.

Sep 11 10 09:18 am Link

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MerrillMedia

Posts: 8736

New Orleans, Louisiana, US

Its interesting to read this, so many years after the event. Its like a multi-person diary of feelings and observations. I even read a couple of my own comments, written under an old profile name of mine.

For me, there is the added element of being both a former New Yorker, who looked at the WTC almost every day for close to 15 years and a now nearly 20 year resident of New Orleans.

I lived across the Hudson River, in Cliffside Park, NJ. That location is across the river from about 130th Street, in Manhattan. Because of the close proximity to the WTC, it was something that was present in my life everyday, sometimes on a nearly unconcious level and sometimes very much within my frame of mind. I knew people who worked in the complex and had business dealings there, from time to time.

On 9/11, I was in a business meeting in New Orleans. A friend, who knew that I was a former New Yorker, kept trying to get me on my Nextel Direct Connect. After ignoring the beep for awhile, I shut my phone off. When I left the meeting and turned my phone back on, I answered the calls and that is when I found out what had happened.

What I remember the most, is what my friend said - "the World Trade Center buildings are down." That description was one that was totally incomprehensible to me, I just couldn't mentally process what he meant. It wasn't until I got to a television set and saw the horror of it, that the enormity of the event sunk in.

A little less than four years later, I witnessed the near death of my new home. Once again, the enormity of the event was something that couldn't really be comprehended, until seen. One of my most poignant mental images of Katrina, was driving at night, from we call the West Bank (across the Mississippi River from downtown), into the city at night, about a month after the storm. This was the first time since Katrina that I had done this. The CBD and French Quarter had electricity and lights, but the areas outside of them didn't.

As I rounded the Superdome onto Interstate 10, the complete blackness where there always been the lights of a normal city, was devastating. The woman that I was with cried and I couldn't speak for a few minutes. I have always said that the blackness was like a physical metaphor for death.

In both incidents, I was lucky. I had been gone from NY for years and all of the people that I knew there, survived. I did have a few friends who lost people who were important to them, but I didn't have to deal with the emotions of a direct loss. In Katrina, I had a similar situation - I lived in an area that did not flood and aside from having the front porch ripped off of my house and needing a new roof, my home survived. I did loose my job and had to commute to northwestern Louisiana until June of 06 to work at a new job, but I was able to survive pretty well. In terms of losing people, the situation was the same - I didn't lose any direct loved ones, but have have friends who did. I also have many friends and acquaintences who lost everything they owned.

For people here in New Orleans who experienced Katrina, it can be easy to say that our situation was worse, because it wiped out nearly the entire city and much of the surrounding region. My own view of this, is that they are about the same in impact. One was more widespread, but the other killed more people and the circumstances of it are much, much harder on an emotional level. Suffering from the results of a hurricane is something that you can out in its proper perspective, much more easily than being violently attacked.

I like the fact that this thread is being bumped once a year. There is wisdom in understanding the need to move on in many ways, but this is not something that should be forgotten alltogether.

Sep 11 10 10:02 am Link

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EdBPhotography

Posts: 7741

Torrance, California, US

Wow...someone dug deep into the archives here to remind us of this terrible tragedy.  And yeah, September 11th was a pretty sad event too.

Sep 11 10 12:18 pm Link

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Fergy

Posts: 22436

Fenton, Michigan, US

Ed Burns Photography wrote:
Wow...someone dug deep into the archives here to remind us of this terrible tragedy.  And yeah, September 11th was a pretty sad event too.

Udor's story is something I think everyone should read.  I've shared it with my children.  They understand, and we remember.  It has touched my heart.

If you don't like what you see here, please do not post in this thread.  Udor is no longer on MM and I'd like to keep this nice in remembrance.  I will CAM if need be.

Sep 11 10 12:57 pm Link