Forums > Photography Talk > Terry Richardson - thoughts?

Photographer

Erick Prince

Posts: 3457

Austin, Texas, US

Shot By Adam wrote:

Andrew Attah wrote:
What exactly makes him a pervert?  I've heard some stories but I've only ever heard one side of the argument/they seem to be from aspiring models that never made it.

He has a very long history of getting naked on the set, playing with himself on the set, etc., etc., etc.


Actually, many of the photos I've seen of his were composed poorly, exposed poorly, and looked like high-school level vacation snapshots, not professional work. My bet is, if you took his name off of his photos and posted many of his average shots in the Critique section, most decent photographers would rip his images to shreds. I, personally, do not find him a talented photographer even on a good day.

That said, anyone who is of average competence in their craft and is able to get away with the lewd stunts he can and still receive such public praise means he's a great marketer and, in that respect, I believe he deserves some respect. No doubt about that.

As a photographer who do you try to impress? Other photographers or your clients? Personally didn't start making money in this until I realized that my clients are who I need to impress as opposed to "decent photographers". There is no universally accepted standard of "professional work". Sure some "rules" exist but they only exist until someone breaks them and is accepted because of it. Why try and shoot like Adam when I can shoot like Erick?  This is art. Everything you mentioned as a knock to him you can see all over the place. EVERY photographers work has "flaws" because everyone has differing opinions. Terry has learned and demonstrated that a happy paying client is far more important than a happy non paying "community".

May 16 12 04:10 am Link

Photographer

Andrew Attah

Posts: 1699

London, England, United Kingdom

Well.  There are many allegations flying around but not much other than first hand, one-sided alleged conduct or "my mate was once on a shoot with Terry, and..." kind of stuff, but nothing in the way of solid evidence/a conviction.  Either he's hated by a few disgruntled models or he's the teflon photographer.

If a model sucks some guy's cock because she "felt pressurised into it", well that's her problem - she should have more self respect and quite frankly needs to aim higher in life; there are plenty of other professions she could pursue if she ruins her modelling career by saying "no" to sucking Terry's dick.

Also, the Suicide Girls party story...  Correct me if I'm wrong but Suicide Girls is a porn site, no?  So at what point did she think going into "the back room" of a Suicide Girls party was going to feature anything but lewd behaviour?  It wasn't going to a bunch of gents in top hats smoking pipes, swilling brandy and discussing cheese.

I'm not saying what Richardson does in some of his work isn't seedy - some of it is not to my liking, but what I'm saying is that there are two sides to every story, sucking a guy's cock requires *you* to put *your* lips around *his* cock and...  A party at a porn site will likely feature porn.

On the subject of his work...  Nobody has yet put forward a convincing argument that his work is no good; it's technically spot on, it has such incredible energy, it's contemporary, it's immediate, there's an amazing connection between him and the people he shoots etc etc.  His shots of Rihanna for Supreme are fantastic (Matt Irwin's images of her for Esquire UK are close to as good, though).

Jun 06 12 01:18 pm Link

Photographer

Andrew Attah

Posts: 1699

London, England, United Kingdom

Shot By Adam wrote:

He has a very long history of getting naked on the set, playing with himself on the set, etc., etc., etc.


Actually, many of the photos I've seen of his were composed poorly, exposed poorly, and looked like high-school level vacation snapshots, not professional work. My bet is, if you took his name off of his photos and posted many of his average shots in the Critique section, most decent photographers would rip his images to shreds. I, personally, do not find him a talented photographer even on a good day.

That said, anyone who is of average competence in their craft and is able to get away with the lewd stunts he can and still receive such public praise means he's a great marketer and, in that respect, I believe he deserves some respect. No doubt about that.

Can you please show me a consistent run of poorly composed and exposed shots of his, from his commercial/editorial work?  If you took his name off a lot of his images and post them in the critique section then yes, his work would get "ripped to shreds" because most people here don't like him.  Chris Heads is a similar photographer and when I saw his work, I was instantly drawn to it, much the same as I am Terry's - because it's bloody brilliant.

Jun 06 12 01:31 pm Link

Model

Dawn-Marie94

Posts: 453

Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada

Jerk all the way.

Jun 06 12 01:33 pm Link

Photographer

Andrew Attah

Posts: 1699

London, England, United Kingdom

Quite on topic:

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/Celebri … story.html

This guy used to have a profile here and shot for a few magazines I shoot for.  I literally just found out after trying look up his work as a photographer whose work I really liked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1dnqKGuezo

Jun 06 12 01:35 pm Link

Photographer

Pixel Peeper

Posts: 397

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Terry Richardson is the photography equivalent of Kim Kardashian for me.  I don't appreciate it, but I acknowledge his success.  Maybe I'm just too old.

Maybe MM has a "no unsolicited critique" for a reason?  Beauty is in the eyes of him who has the deepest pockets.

Jun 15 12 12:27 pm Link

Model

Taryn Sarvas

Posts: 3

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Is this the same guy who shot pics of Jared Leto and 30 Seconds to Mars??
If so, this guy is the most talented man in the world! I want to work with him!!

Jun 15 12 12:34 pm Link

Photographer

Retro Dolly Photography

Posts: 19

Dublin, Dublin, Ireland

Taryn Sarvas wrote:
Is this the same guy who shot pics of Jared Leto and 30 Seconds to Mars??
If so, this guy is the most talented man in the world! I want to work with him!!

Yep that's him. Anyone who get's to shoot the beautiful face of Jared Leto on a regular basis is damn lucky in my opinion.. they're close friends apparently.

Jun 15 12 01:39 pm Link

Photographer

Tim Little Photography

Posts: 11771

Wilmington, Delaware, US

He is a pig. A pig that has talent when it comes to making photographs. Is that the full measure of a person? How good they are at their job?

And when I say he is a pig, I'm just agreeing with him as he is said it himself in interviews. He doesn't make excuses for being who he is. That's OK, but it still leaves him being a self-proclaimed pig with a camera.

Jun 15 12 02:10 pm Link

Photographer

Chris Hayden Photo

Posts: 56

Totowa, New Jersey, US

Mediocre photographers have strong opinions on Terry Richardson.

Jun 15 12 04:05 pm Link

Photographer

MMDesign

Posts: 18647

Louisville, Kentucky, US

Chris Hayden wrote:
Mediocre photographers have strong opinions on Terry Richardson.

Is that your opinion? 





smile

Jun 15 12 04:30 pm Link

Photographer

Mike Stewart 247 Foto

Posts: 287

Houston, Texas, US

Some of Terry's recent work below. He can take photos as well as most imo, and this set is a good example of that. Don't understand the pedantry regarding his technical skill. You might not like his style, but he can shoot.

http://www.gq.com/women/photos/201207/k … -july-2012

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/ninetytonothing/kate-upton-01.jpg

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/ninetytonothing/kate-upton-02.jpg

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/ninetytonothing/kate-upton-04.jpg

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/ninetytonothing/kate-upton-06.jpg

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/ninetytonothing/kate-upton-03.jpg

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/ninetytonothing/kate-upton-05.jpg

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/ninetytonothing/kate-upton-cover.jpg

Jun 19 12 04:34 pm Link

Photographer

Malloch

Posts: 2566

Hastings, England, United Kingdom

He uses the hype, some believe it, he makes money, he takes pictures. Is he the best the jury will be out on that for the next 20 years, personally his fathers work was better. The end.

Jun 19 12 04:46 pm Link

Photographer

Mike Stewart 247 Foto

Posts: 287

Houston, Texas, US

I don't think he's the best, but he's certainly not lacking photographic skill & talent.

Jun 19 12 05:07 pm Link

Photographer

Tim Schapker

Posts: 21

Chicago, Illinois, US

No one is "the best" photographer. There's room in the world for more than one style. Vogue isn't the only magazine on the planet. He's found his groove. Good for him. Hope you all do the same.

Jun 19 12 08:41 pm Link

Photographer

GER Photography

Posts: 8463

Imperial, California, US

Where's the guy with the beating a dead horse GIF when you need him??

Jun 19 12 08:49 pm Link

Photographer

Oscar Partida

Posts: 732

Palm Springs, California, US

i like his Style ,it has great energy and the guy might be a clown.but im glad hes doing great at his age

Jun 19 12 08:54 pm Link

Photographer

Revenge Photography

Posts: 1905

Horsham, Victoria, Australia

I've never met the man, until I do I can't really form a valid opinion of him.

Some of his work I like, some of it I don't like so much.

Whats it really matter, opinions are like assholes, we all have one smile

Jun 19 12 08:57 pm Link

Photographer

MC Grain

Posts: 1647

New York, New York, US

Mike Stewart 247 Foto wrote:
Some of Terry's recent work below. He can take photos as well as most imo, and this set is a good example of that. Don't understand the pedantry regarding his technical skill. You might not like his style, but he can shoot.

http://www.gq.com/women/photos/201207/k … -july-2012

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/ninetytonothing/kate-upton-01.jpg

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/ninetytonothing/kate-upton-02.jpg

The lack of specular highlights on these is truly amazing for a PnS, if that's what it was. If not it's still uncommon results for head-on lighting.

Jun 19 12 09:34 pm Link

Photographer

Nathan Appel

Posts: 614

Pismo Beach, California, US

Andrew Attah wrote:
Well.  There are many allegations flying around but not much other than first hand, one-sided alleged conduct or "my mate was once on a shoot with Terry, and..." kind of stuff, but nothing in the way of solid evidence/a conviction.  Either he's hated by a few disgruntled models or he's the teflon photographer.

If a model sucks some guy's cock because she "felt pressurised into it", well that's her problem - she should have more self respect and quite frankly needs to aim higher in life; there are plenty of other professions she could pursue if she ruins her modelling career by saying "no" to sucking Terry's dick.

Also, the Suicide Girls party story...  Correct me if I'm wrong but Suicide Girls is a porn site, no?  So at what point did she think going into "the back room" of a Suicide Girls party was going to feature anything but lewd behaviour?  It wasn't going to a bunch of gents in top hats smoking pipes, swilling brandy and discussing cheese.

I'm not saying what Richardson does in some of his work isn't seedy - some of it is not to my liking, but what I'm saying is that there are two sides to every story, sucking a guy's cock requires *you* to put *your* lips around *his* cock and...  A party at a porn site will likely feature porn.

On the subject of his work...  Nobody has yet put forward a convincing argument that his work is no good; it's technically spot on, it has such incredible energy, it's contemporary, it's immediate, there's an amazing connection between him and the people he shoots etc etc.  His shots of Rihanna for Supreme are fantastic (Matt Irwin's images of her for Esquire UK are close to as good, though).

this is one of my favorite posts, I love your sense of humor!

Jun 19 12 11:13 pm Link

Retoucher

Jostein Roalkvam

Posts: 282

Trondheim, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway

Nathan Appel wrote:

this is one of my favorite posts, I love your sense of humor!

+1

Jun 20 12 09:08 am Link

Photographer

Laubenheimer

Posts: 9317

New York, New York, US

Mike Stewart 247 Foto wrote:
I don't think he's the best, but he's certainly not lacking photographic skill & talent.

possible.

Jul 15 12 12:02 pm Link

Photographer

Niche Photography

Posts: 231

Conway, Arkansas, US

I like him, and he knows how to market himself.  He has his own style, and like it or not, it works.

Jul 15 12 12:06 pm Link

Photographer

Sobe

Posts: 405

Miami Beach, Florida, US

Neil Snape wrote:
Keep tailing about him and he'll stay at the top where you want him.

Very True,True.

Jul 17 12 12:30 pm Link

Photographer

New Art Photo

Posts: 701

Los Angeles, California, US

I'm not going to write another word about Terry Richardson till he sends me a check (!)
-- I've spent way too much time reading and writing about  him in the last month...

Jul 17 12 12:39 pm Link

Photographer

I M N Photography

Posts: 2350

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Andrew Attah wrote:
Okay so I don't post here much, but I'm interested to see how opinions fluctuate over time...  Last time I started this thread, about 3 years ago (at a guess), most people loathed him, however, I wonder if there's been a change in the popular opinion here.
....

I don't follow your opening question.

Like most people that don't know him personally, all views (strong or aloof) are based on either his work or unproven rumors about his personal and professional behavior.

Unlike Guy Bourdin and other fashion celebrities, TR is promoted by his enemies as the poster child for the type of person that ingenue amateur models are supposed to avoid.

Other than outright forcing himself or assaulting tmodels, everything said about him appears to remain at the level of rumor. Whether he is protected or not, is a different matter, but keep in mind that it seems that the people involved appear to be adults and sober...

Now, if the question is regarding changing taste in art. I do not see the benefit of asking people if they are "accepting" something they didn't like in the past.

If you are talking about liking him as an individual, then you are, in essence, asking people if theit scruples, values, or standards of decency have declined to the point where they will now accept and/or even like him.

Terry Richardson is a hard topic to discuss, because the arguments arise from his behavior.

The more civil discourse should be about his art, and others' opinions about it, but I am afraid your thread is not going to maintain that narrative.

Jul 17 12 01:00 pm Link

Photographer

Darkroomist

Posts: 2097

Saginaw, Michigan, US

My opinion is that Terry must be on heck of a personality to be around.  A while back I read what was supposed to be an interview with him, but turned out to be as much about the experience of meeting Terry as Terry himself.  From hundreds of miles away, and only seeing a part of his work, I'd say his most refined talent is making anyone, even the president of the United States glow with a sort of 70's porn sheen and energy.  He definitely follows the "rule" that if you want to take better pictures, stand in front of more interesting stuff.  I think he has a technique that, while it may not be difficult, produces interesting results.  He applies this technique to already interesting subjects and we're mesmerized.  The other truly admirable aspect of Terry as an artist is the volume of his work.  One thing I've started to aspire to, to a certain degree is the amount of work artists that I admire produce, and Terry is very busy doing what he does.  Another is Ed Templeton or Scott Church.  These guys churn out copious amounts of stuff that's fun to look at and that impresses me.

Jul 17 12 01:06 pm Link

Photographer

Laubenheimer

Posts: 9317

New York, New York, US

Photoholic wrote:

Very True,True.

yup.

Jul 18 12 12:02 pm Link

Photographer

MKPhoto

Posts: 5665

Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

George Ruge wrote:
Where's the guy with the beating a dead horse GIF when you need him??

https://cdn.theatermania.com/article/14531/1.jpg

will this do?

Jul 18 12 12:07 pm Link

Photographer

REMOVED

Posts: 1546

Atlanta, Georgia, US

It would be a positive development for this site if people would just quit obsessing about a person with an active sex life, and an enviable client base.

There are far more constructive topics, and far greater talents than Richardson.

Jul 18 12 12:12 pm Link

Photographer

DREW PLUTA

Posts: 17

Los Angeles, California, US

I think that given enough high profile work and resources, any decent photographer could do the best of what he does and many of us would never produce his worst.  I call his style "bad photography" and at his best I think he just comes off as an unimaginative and simplistic David Lachapelle wanna be.

Jul 18 12 12:18 pm Link

Photographer

PhotoSeven

Posts: 1194

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

MMDesign wrote:
Thoughts? I think he has been discussed here ad nauseam.

forum search is your friend...

Jul 18 12 01:58 pm Link

Photographer

Herman Surkis

Posts: 10856

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Robert Jewett wrote:
Brilliant at marketing and "playing the game". 

Total perv/creeper.

Low talent photographically.

Can't stand him, myself.

+ (the national debt)

Jul 23 12 04:08 pm Link

Photographer

Chris Hayden Photo

Posts: 56

Totowa, New Jersey, US

If you take the long view, any negative criticism of T*Rich (especially by MM forum "professionals") boils down to "I wish I was paid $100k for MY terrible on-board flash photos."

Everyone fixates on his "bad" personal photography, but I guarantee that you've seen his professional, super clean work and not even realized it.  Or you have, and retroactively decided that it's terrible by association.  Dude can use a cell phone camera better than you can use a Hasselblad, and that upsets you.  You bought a $5k Leica, and T*Rich's POLAROIDS get published in Vogue, and that makes you SO MAD!  You can't separate the personality from the photographer.

It's like I can only remember the one time I hit a home run in little league, and now I'm very upset that Jeter hit a dribbler and was thrown out at first one time, and he gets paid $20 million per game.  He's in a completely different stratosphere.

Jul 23 12 11:41 pm Link

Photographer

Caitlin Bellah

Posts: 28

Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain

Chris Hayden wrote:
Mediocre photographers have strong opinions on Terry Richardson.

Pot calling the kettle black much? Look at your "photography." Jesus.

Feb 11 13 12:34 pm Link

Photographer

kitty_empire

Posts: 864

Brighton, England, United Kingdom

Chris Hayden wrote:
If you take the long view, any negative criticism of T*Rich (especially by MM forum "professionals") boils down to "I wish I was paid $100k for MY terrible on-board flash photos."

You bought a $5k Leica, and T*Rich's POLAROIDS get published in Vogue, and that makes you SO MAD!  You can't separate the personality from the photographer.

Agreed. Some people are crazy jelly.

Feb 11 13 12:51 pm Link

Photographer

kitty_empire

Posts: 864

Brighton, England, United Kingdom

Caitlin Bellah  wrote:

Pot calling the kettle black much? Look at your "photography." Jesus.

Please ban this user for an unsolicited critique.

Thank you.

Feb 11 13 12:51 pm Link

Photographer

MMDesign

Posts: 18647

Louisville, Kentucky, US

Feb 11 13 02:34 pm Link

Photographer

MMDesign

Posts: 18647

Louisville, Kentucky, US

PhotoSeven wrote:

forum search is your friend...

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

Feb 11 13 02:36 pm Link

Photographer

L o n d o n F o g

Posts: 7497

London, England, United Kingdom

Creepy looking, lucked out dude...that's how I see him!

Oh, and very, very, very average skills!

I guess in LA you just need the right luck!

Feb 11 13 02:38 pm Link