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netmodel
Posts: 6,786
Austin, Texas, US


yep, you're done. Computers do better than you models could ever do.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/5-comp … 2012-08-28

;-)
Sep 03 12 09:29 am  Link  Quote 
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Julia Francesca
Posts: 2,357
Maumee, Ohio, US


INSANITY!!! technology is so bitchin'!
Sep 03 12 09:38 am  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 6,064
New York, New York, US


Ah! but how often does your computer give you a hug and a kiss on the cheek after a good shoot!

Some things are priceless, for everything else there's CGI
Sep 03 12 09:56 am  Link  Quote 
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Laura BrokenDoll
Posts: 3,550
Modena, Emilia-Romagna, Italy


Way more beautiful than me, gosh they're perfect.

But I still beat 'em at facial expressions! big_smile
Sep 03 12 12:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
T Brown
Posts: 2,460
Traverse City, Michigan, US


Broken Doll wrote:
Way more beautiful than me, gosh they're perfect.

But I still beat 'em at facial expressions! big_smile

CGI doesn't hold a candle to you..  wink

Sep 03 12 12:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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Venessa Baez
Posts: 616
Tampa, Florida, US


They look dead in the eyes though. Human nature and relativity is one thing a computer will never be able to duplicate. Hopefully.
Sep 03 12 12:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kent Art Photography
Posts: 2,736
Ashford, England, United Kingdom


Venessa M Baez wrote:
They look dead in the eyes though. Human nature and relativity is one thing a computer will never be able to duplicate. Hopefully.

And that odd little thing that a model does on the spur of the moment that just makes a shot.

By the way, the site wanted to download seven cookies to my computer.

Sep 03 12 12:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
ArtistryImage
Posts: 2,731
Washington, District of Columbia, US


the auto makers move to CGI years ago... attended a seminar given by a leading commercial Detroit photog... his solution is simply moving into smaller markets... the future for all in our industry will likely be an endless cycle of finding new untapped clientele to generate a revenue stream...

make technology work for you... embrace change...
Sep 03 12 12:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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Victoria Elle
Posts: 442
New York, New York, US


Venessa M Baez wrote:
They look dead in the eyes though. Human nature and relativity is one thing a computer will never be able to duplicate. Hopefully.

They are real human models from the neck up.

"The real model’s head has been superimposed on the body and the skin tone has been digitally altered to match her complexion."

http://mashable.com/2011/12/08/hm-cg-models/

Sep 03 12 12:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 8,251
Tucson, Arizona, US


Venessa M Baez wrote:
They look dead in the eyes though.

Have you ever seen a high fashion runway show or editorial?

Sep 03 12 12:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KMP
Posts: 4,736
Houston, Texas, US


I can see this. 

A lot of times I may illustrate product shots to better bring out over all detail.  Once I get done, it can be hard to say if it's a photograph or an illustration. This is particularly true with automobile photography. 

With people cutting back on costs and digital illustration blurring the line between real and illustration..it's only a matter of time before it cuts into other areas.
Sep 03 12 12:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Matt Knowles
Posts: 3,556
Ferndale, California, US


netmodel wrote:
yep, you're done. Computers do better than you models could ever do.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/5-comp … 2012-08-28

;-)

They sure got that pose down.

Sep 03 12 08:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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GPS Studio Services
Posts: 35,411
San Francisco, California, US


In the not too distant future, many movies will be entirely CGI.   Actors will be scanned and will then be relegated to delivering lines.

Computer generated models will become more and more common.  To think any differently is just naive.  It sux, but it is the future.

The good news is that I am old enough that it won't really affect me that much.  But for you younger whipper-snappers, brush up on your computer skills.

I am waiting to see my first "virtual wedding."
Sep 03 12 08:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Misty R H
Posts: 471
Anaheim, California, US


VikyL wrote:

They are real human models from the neck up.

"The real model’s head has been superimposed on the body and the skin tone has been digitally altered to match her complexion."

http://mashable.com/2011/12/08/hm-cg-models/

I agree that they look dead in the eyes, even if the heads are human.  If perfection is what is desired CGI is the way to go, but it seems kind of cold.

Sep 03 12 08:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 7,751
Imperial, California, US


I'm waiting for some new Humphrey Bogart movies!!
Sep 03 12 08:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 8,455
Los Angeles, California, US


So, instead of an Escort . . . . you get a TechSupport guy


What's the difference . . . . they're both annoying


KM
Sep 03 12 08:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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NothingIsRealButTheGirl
Posts: 32,779
Los Angeles, California, US


Venessa M Baez wrote:
They look dead in the eyes though. Human nature and relativity is one thing a computer will never be able to duplicate. Hopefully.

Hmm.

Maybe I could use that technology for everything BUT the model. Sort of switch it around.

Sep 03 12 11:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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Victoria Elle
Posts: 442
New York, New York, US


Misty R H wrote:

I agree that they look dead in the eyes, even if the heads are human.  If perfection is what is desired CGI is the way to go, but it seems kind of cold.

You're welcome to think whatever you want about their facial expressions.  They are, however, one of the only parts of the image that are not CGI.  In criticizing them, you are criticizing the modeling ability of the live human models, not the CGI aspect at all.

Sep 04 12 05:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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The Grace Gabbana
Posts: 351
Santa Rosa, California, US


netmodel wrote:
yep, you're done. Computers do better than you models could ever do.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/5-comp … 2012-08-28

;-)

And so is your photography career. When models become obsolete, so do photographers.

What are you so happy about? Did you actually think that they hired a photographer to shoot a model that doesn't exist in reality? That models would be jobless, and photographers would be sitting pretty? Do you really get your jollies from the misfortune of others?

I don't know you personally, so I can't accurately judge your character. Having said that; what you posted is so insensitive and ignorant that I truly pity you.

G

Sep 04 12 05:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,342
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Both interesting and funny. I can certainly imagine a future when most of the industrial modeling and photography (advertising, product, even fashion) is gone and instead CGI rules.

It wouldn't bother me at all, I'm only interested in the type of personal interaction photography that would still be around, marginalized just like it is today. Erotic feelings and interactions and images made from that inspiration have been around since the time of the cavemen. It's not stopping anytime soon.
Sep 04 12 06:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,322
Salem, Oregon, US


i got a hug from a one year old customer once. that was so sweet!

Rays Fine Art wrote:
Ah! but how often does your computer give you a hug and a kiss on the cheek after a good shoot!

Sep 04 12 06:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,306
Orlando, Florida, US


Pssh...

This was foretold in 1981.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082677/

We had PLENTY of time to change career choices.
Sep 04 12 06:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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Har Marshal
Posts: 263
Cary, North Carolina, US


If your computer locks up prior to a virtual photo shoot, does that count as flaking?  Just wondering what MM forums will be about in the future . . .
Sep 04 12 06:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MichelleGenevieve
Posts: 97
Austin, Texas, US


Venessa M Baez wrote:
They look dead in the eyes though.

Then Kristen Stewart's replacement is here!  Her days as an actress are numbered.

Sep 04 12 08:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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Ivanafox
Posts: 979
Healesville, Victoria, Australia


I think people on sites like Mm have nothing to worry about. Normal people will still want to get photographs of themself/kids/pets and photographers will still want to spend time trying out concepts/lighting with a real live person.
Sep 04 12 09:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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toesup
Posts: 1,033
Templeton, California, US


Can I get a plus size version please...

Nothing will EVER beat the feeling of that great shot of some real flesh and blood llama, the curve of her body, the look of her eye, the shape of her lips.. need I go on?..

Bahhh.. CGI, NO WAY!..
Sep 04 12 09:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kaley King
Posts: 1,027
Jefferson City, Missouri, US


Takes away jobs for photographers too...
Sep 04 12 09:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stray Kat
Posts: 90
Morris, Illinois, US


The Grace Gabbana wrote:

And so is your photography career. When models become obsolete, so do photographers.

What are you so happy about? Did you actually think that they hired a photographer to shoot a model that doesn't exist in reality? That models would be jobless, and photographers would be sitting pretty? Do you really get your jollies from the misfortune of others?

I don't know you personally, so I can't accurately judge your character. Having said that; what you posted is so insensitive and ignorant that I truly pity you.

G

as it says...

To save on costs—and perhaps assembly time—Swedish retailing giant IKEA created computer-generated images of its furniture for the new catalog, RATHER THAN HIRE A PHOTOGRAPHER. By next year, a quarter of the scenes depicted in IKEA’s print and online advertising will be digitally drawn rather than photographed, The Wall Street Journal reported last week. In fact, IKEA says it is able to better depict its products with computer images than actual photography.

Sep 04 12 09:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stray Kat
Posts: 90
Morris, Illinois, US


toesup wrote:
Can I get a plus size version please...

Nothing will EVER beat the feeling of that great shot of some real flesh and blood model, the curve of her body, the look of her eye, the shape of her lips.. need I go on?..

Bahhh.. CGI, NO WAY!..

+1

Sep 04 12 09:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stray Kat
Posts: 90
Morris, Illinois, US


Har Marshal wrote:
If your computer locks up prior to a virtual photo shoot, does that count as flaking?  Just wondering what MM forums will be about in the future . . .

LOL

Sep 04 12 09:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Darren Brade
Posts: 2,746
London, England, United Kingdom


netmodel wrote:
yep, you're done. Computers do better than you models could ever do.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/5-comp … 2012-08-28

;-)

Lol, yeah right. No one notice how nearly every example in the article came with a negative reason why it won't be accepted?

The problem with journalism these days is most of it's based on guess work and not hard facts. Yes these technologies exist, but they rarely ever replace. A worse case scenario is we all retrain as CAD specialists or CGI specialists.

Since the public is turning away from retouching producing an impossible body image, you guys expect the public to embrace a completely fake image?

IKEA suffer from an image problem associated with all flat -packed manufacturers. People almost expect their assembled item to not be as good as image. Plus it's much easy to CGI a non living entity.

Cinema, we are yet to see a convincing character, a lot of CGI is detectable to the human eye, we just accept we have to suspend belief for a few seconds. Didn't Ridley Scott do a lot of the effects old school to make Prometheus as believable as possible?

If you ever get a chance to go to a film premier you'll see the crazy effect these actors/actresses have on their adoring public, not so easy to replace with CGI as people would have you think.

Makes a great article though for their "Personal Finance" section.

Sep 05 12 01:38 am  Link  Quote 
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Darren Brade
Posts: 2,746
London, England, United Kingdom


The Grace Gabbana wrote:
And so is your photography career. When models become obsolete, so do photographers.

While I agree with some of your original post, I do think the above point is misguided. There are other subjects that can be photographed.

When models is replaced by Barbiesoft Inc's Leticia version 2.654, Model Mayhem will resurface after being rebranded as "Bowl of Fruit Mayhem"

Seriously though, I doesn't matter what the Industry does, because Internet Modeling is a separate, independent industry. They like to call it a site full of professionals when in fact its a site full of hobbyists, they are not interested in software.

Sep 05 12 01:45 am  Link  Quote 
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Mark Anthony Photo
Posts: 199
Pottstown, Pennsylvania, US


Misty R H wrote:

I agree that they look dead in the eyes, even if the heads are human.  If perfection is what is desired CGI is the way to go, but it seems kind of cold.

Sorry. Don't know if it was said yet, but perfection is legend. I find and relish imperfection as a celebration of each person. The challenge is to bring that imperfection into the beauty as well.

Sep 05 12 02:45 am  Link  Quote 
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Mark Anthony Photo
Posts: 199
Pottstown, Pennsylvania, US


Good Egg Productions wrote:
Pssh...

This was foretold in 1981.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082677/

We had PLENTY of time to change career choices.

Don't forget S1MONE with Al Pacino.

Sep 05 12 02:49 am  Link  Quote 
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KFPhotography
Posts: 67
Dallas, Texas, US


Rays Fine Art wrote:
Ah! but how often does your computer give you a hug and a kiss on the cheek after a good shoot!

Some things are priceless, for everything else there's CGI

Shoot me, I never get those priceless moments after any shoots sad

Sep 05 12 02:55 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
j3_photo
Posts: 19,856
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


La Lana  wrote:
Takes away jobs for photographers too...

Yep, I saw that right away in the article.  Instead of hiring a photographer, they drew the damn furniture.

Sep 05 12 04:45 am  Link  Quote 
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MB JenB
Posts: 2,978
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Venessa M Baez wrote:
They look dead in the eyes though. Human nature and relativity is one thing a computer will never be able to duplicate. Hopefully.

+ I agree, good call.

Sep 05 12 08:45 am  Link  Quote 
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Princess Dasha
Posts: 57
Malmö, Skåne, Sweden


The people working with these models will eventually be sad and depressed and suffer from an overdose of anti-depressant because they don't meet and greet people but instead sit in front of their computers to simulate poses and expressions? tongue How depressing!

But yeah, cool technology. However just like someone said above: what about the handshaking and hugging and the laughs! yikes
Oct 09 12 03:45 am  Link  Quote 
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Laurel Rae
Posts: 2,030
Tucson, Arizona, US


it doesn't matter...I'm 24 anyways ...it's about time I retire anyways tongue
Oct 09 12 02:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jessie Shannon
Posts: 2,004
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Laurel Rae wrote:
it doesn't matter...I'm 24 anyways ...it's about time I retire anyways tongue

yikes Oh shit I'm 26 yikes................yikes lol

Oct 09 12 02:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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